PRS_Zombie
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Hey

I was wondering what you guys prefer to use and how you go about getting the most out of your Metal tone/sound.

I have been using a Boss Metal Zone MT-2 throughout last year and before that I had a Hot Head distortion. at 1st I loved the MT-2 it was able to give me a better range to of tones to play with compared to the standard setting the Hot Head could offer. As time rolled on and my playing got tighter and better + my understanding of amp settings, pickups, Volumes and the rest, my love for the pedal slowly has dissolved new I constantly have a battle for better tone and a cleaner yet heavier tone and I constantly get a messy distortion sound.

Mid last year I invested in a Boss NS-2 to try and help my sound clear up and assist in trying to get a clean yet mean sounding metal tone, it did this to an extent but the MT-2 has just to much gain for the NS-2 to handle at times causing a lot of unwanted feed back or when the NS-2 was doing well with the MT-2 I would find it would suck some of the tone in areas.

The sound I'm after or would like to get as close to is the Gojira sound.

The gear I use besides the MT-2 ans NS-2 is

Guitar - Jackson JS30R

Amp Marshall 900 (rehearsal room not my own).
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You should try using the metal zone as a boost, as a distortion its pretty bad tbh. I would just use the 900 and the noise gate.
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Step 1: Sell everything
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But honestly, you're not really going to get that quality of sound out of a pedal, which is why almost no metal bands use them. Amp distortion is king for metal. Older Gojira is a 6505 through and through, on the cheap you can get a 5150 (same exact amp, different name) for about $500-550. I wouldn't really use a JCM900 for that tone, especially not if it's a Dual Reverb version (which most are).

If you have cash/don't mind saving up/love the tone on their latest album, you could get an EVH 5150 III.
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Quote by Offworld92
Step 1: Sell everything
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But honestly, you're not really going to get that quality of sound out of a pedal, which is why almost no metal bands use them. Amp distortion is king for metal. Older Gojira is a 6505 through and through, on the cheap you can get a 5150 (same exact amp, different name) for about $500-550. I wouldn't really use a JCM900 for that tone, especially not if it's a Dual Reverb version (which most are).

If you have cash/don't mind saving up/love the tone on their latest album, you could get an EVH 5150 III.



I have a Peavy 6505 cab and Kerry King Head but I'm not able to use that due to not having a lockup or my own rehearsal space. But I will give the 900 gain and NS-2 pedal and see what that could do.
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If you want a good distortion box (and you've got the cash), take a look at the offerings from Wampler:

http://www.wamplerpedals.com/
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Quote by FatalGear41
If you want a good distortion box (and you've got the cash), take a look at the offerings from Wampler:

http://www.wamplerpedals.com/



I just checked out there distortion range and none of them sound anywhere near what I want which is basically a clean sound but sounds intense and heavy.
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Quote by PRS_Zombie
I just checked out there distortion range and none of them sound anywhere near what I want which is basically a clean sound but sounds intense and heavy.

what? you expect a distortion to make this kinda sound? I have no idea how you'll achieve that sound, and personally a clean sound that's heavy and intense coming from a distortion is an oxymoron to me.


but as a suggestion, stop buying boss pedals unless you're using the casing to make your own pedal, modding it/getting it modded, or its already modded. Boss only really have a couple good distortions and that's it, if you haven't found the sound you want with them then I suggest you elevate yourself to the next level of pedals.
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Really, you aren't going ot get a Gojira tone out of a JCM900. Even if it's an SL/X or MKIII, it's not going to give you a 6505 tone.

My advice is to sell the 900 and save up some money to get an EVH 5153 50w. It's got a headphone out, so you can practice through headphones when you aren't in a rehearsal space, and it's fairly small, so size shouldn't be an issue. They just released combo versions at NAMM, although I'm not sure when those will be coming out, but you could always grab a 1x12 with at least a 50w speaker if you want to practice loud with it.
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Wait you have a kk head and your feeding it a metalzone? Grab one of thousands of tube screamer clones and call it a day.
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Really, you aren't going ot get a Gojira tone out of a JCM900. Even if it's an SL/X or MKIII, it's not going to give you a 6505 tone.

My advice is to sell the 900 and save up some money to get an EVH 5153 50w. It's got a headphone out, so you can practice through headphones when you aren't in a rehearsal space, and it's fairly small, so size shouldn't be an issue. They just released combo versions at NAMM, although I'm not sure when those will be coming out, but you could always grab a 1x12 with at least a 50w speaker if you want to practice loud with it.
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Quote by Blktiger0
Really, you aren't going ot get a Gojira tone out of a JCM900. Even if it's an SL/X or MKIII, it's not going to give you a 6505 tone.

My advice is to sell the 900 and save up some money to get an EVH 5153 50w. It's got a headphone out, so you can practice through headphones when you aren't in a rehearsal space, and it's fairly small, so size shouldn't be an issue. They just released combo versions at NAMM, although I'm not sure when those will be coming out, but you could always grab a 1x12 with at least a 50w speaker if you want to practice loud with it.


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I don't remember saying that I wanted the Gojira sound I just liked something close to it but since my last response I have been able to use the KK head and 6505 cab without any other pedals and it sounds killer not to the Gojira sound but just a heavy for the sound I like and my band need.
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You first said you wanted distortion, but you said a couple posts back you want a clean sound. From a distortion box.

Get a tubescreamer/clone and put it in front of the KK.

Or get a 6505
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Quote by Charvel1995
You first said you wanted distortion, but you said a couple posts back you want a clean sound. From a distortion box.

Get a tubescreamer/clone and put it in front of the KK.

Or get a 6505

I have nothing to add because i don't play this music but god damn it read his posts before you answer.

he is happy with the KK. the 900 is not his but it is what he uses to rehearse. Jesus.
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clean sound but sounds intense and heavy.


You read his posts.

Clean generally means, well, clean
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Quote by Charvel1995
You read his posts.

Clean generally means, well, clean

use some brain power. he doesn't mean completely clean. He just means cleaner than a shitty mt2 but still ballsy.

and using my amazing powers of deduction i can probably assume by clean he means articulate/ less muddy.

you should go hang in the electric guitar forum. You will feel more at home. Our humble intellect is no match for your ultra literal brain.
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I don't really think of Gojira when I think of cleaner distortion sounds; I think of like Psycroptic or The Faceless. Gojira is pretty saturated IMO.
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I think when he says "Clean", he means articulate and tight. In my head I know what he means (I think) it's hard to put into words. As for some pedals, youtube the AMT drive series, particularly the E-drive and P-drive. Feardse's E-drive demo is literally the best guitar tone I've ever heard. I have no idea who Gojira is, but I assume it's something like this based on 6505 recommendations and a JCM900 not being heavy enough.
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Quote by tas38
I think when he says "Clean", he means articulate and tight. In my head I know what he means (I think) it's hard to put into words. As for some pedals, youtube the AMT drive series, particularly the E-drive and P-drive. Feardse's E-drive demo is literally the best guitar tone I've ever heard. I have no idea who Gojira is, but I assume it's something like this based on 6505 recommendations and a JCM900 not being heavy enough.


I'm glad you understand I was beging to pull my hair out thinking how else to word it lol, but I haven't been able to use my JCM900 or 6505 as stated in a earlier post because I don't have a lock up as of yet and I can't really crank it up to a decent Vol level in my apartment due to walls being slightly thin.

Ill have a look at AMT Drive series pedals, but I have just being using the gain from the marshal amps and just running my guitar through the NS-2 in the rehearsal rooms rather than relying on my Distortion pedal. I have been doing this in 1 of the bands I play in and it's been successful, but because the other band I play has a completely different sound,the closest band sound wise can think of would be a kind of Gojira sound that we are close to. I can't have to much feedback or distortion going on I need it to be tight and clear sounding.

I hope that makes sense if not sorry.
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Quote by PRS_Zombie
I'm glad you understand I was beging to pull my hair out thinking how else to word it lol, but I haven't been able to use my JCM900 or 6505 as stated in a earlier post because I don't have a lock up as of yet and I can't really crank it up to a decent Vol level in my apartment due to walls being slightly thin.

Ill have a look at AMT Drive series pedals, but I have just being using the gain from the marshal amps and just running my guitar through the NS-2 in the rehearsal rooms rather than relying on my Distortion pedal. I have been doing this in 1 of the bands I play in and it's been successful, but because the other band I play has a completely different sound,the closest band sound wise can think of would be a kind of Gojira sound that we are close to. I can't have to much feedback or distortion going on I need it to be tight and clear sounding.

I hope that makes sense if not sorry.


Once again, I'm going to recommend the EVH 5150 III Mini (which is the 50w version). It will give you a perfect Gojira tone, and it has a headphone out. This way, you can use it live AND at your apartment. I seriously don't see a better option. If that's too expensive, then get the Peavey Vypyr Tube 60. It's Power section is from the 6505, and it's known for doing a damn good job on that amp model. Again, it has a headphone out, so you can use it at your apartment.

Really, the 5153 is your best option, though. Seriously.
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Wow let's debate his use of the word clean more... he obviously means clear and articulate while still ballsy. This is something that is very hard to do because it's more than just getting a new amp. it's a lot of EQ tweaking as well. Also, I find the 900 SLX and MK3 to be much more articulate than the 6505, but that's probably just for the styles of music I play.

The 6505+ is the amp you want because
1) You could get the head for about 100-200 dollars more than what you'll sell the 900 for.
2) It's the same amp as the band you mentioned
3) It's br00tz
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