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#41
It's hard to make a good song sound bad.

Mixing should be able to ruin an album for you. You're not listening properly if it can't.
#43
Quote by theogonia777
That's what ruins that album for you? What ruined it for me was that it was awful.
I to didn't like it at first but the closer I listened I have to say it's quite unique, very interesting and complex scale usage, something a bit different from what you'd usually hear. The linked video is a perfect example.
#44
Opened the Tesseract link. How bad could it really be? It really could be.


It really could.
#45
Not reading messages before me, could care less.

A bad mix can sometimes be on purpose, you've got your hipstery folks who like to intentionally add a lo-fi grainy sound to their music. I'm not huge on it but if the album is good then I can deal with the shit mix.
#46
Quote by willT08
It's hard to make a good song sound bad.


I mostly agree with this. There's certain albums I enjoy with what alot of people consider to be bad mixes but the sound was part of the artist's vision which makes it all the more special to me ie. Heretic.
#47
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Not reading messages before me, could care less.

A bad mix can sometimes be on purpose, you've got your hipstery folks who like to intentionally add a lo-fi grainy sound to their music. I'm not huge on it but if the album is good then I can deal with the shit mix.

couldn't care less*
#48
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yes. so much.
i mean, really tosin? that was some shit tone on their debut album...
I like weightless though. I think that was mixed well.

also, op is right
dat poor kick drum...
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#50
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I know I've mentined it before, but Scream Bloody Gore by Death is damn near unlistenable for me. The mixing is SOOO awful...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4ksoIR8X4c

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It can hurt my overall view of the album's quality, but if the album is really good then I can overlook it. AJFA is one of my favorite metal albums.
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#51
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yes. so much.
i mean, really tosin? that was some shit tone on their debut album...
I like weightless though. I think that was mixed well.

I honestly don't mind their debut's tone. That said, "Weightless" has a much better tone.
#55
Chevelle's album Point #1 is a great album but mixed terribly. Which is disappointing because Steve Albini produced it
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#56
There's a reason for the Tesseract kick sounding awful on the album. That's the Superior Drummer Avatar kick drum. Really not a very good sounding kick.
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#57
Rise Of The Tyrant by Arch Enemy.
Granted, it's not even close to their best album anyway, but it's still a solid melodeath record.
However, something about that album just seemed "off" to me. The mixing and production, especially the guitar sound, just bothers me for some reason. It's just not as clear, heavy, and defined as their other albums.
#58
I loved BTBAM's first album and I think it was recorded on a stage or something so no. If the music is good, I'm likely to like it.
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#59
All of I wrote haikus about cannibalism in your yearbook's songs would've had potential if they weren't recorded in the worst way imaginable. I also hate the mixing on the old Descendents albums, and I don't like anything after Everything sucks. Well, that's actually their only album I like.
#60
Quote by Jako215
I really hate when bass is inaudible. If all I can make out of it is low end then it sucks. Bass needs definition and pick attack.

This is true. But really, like 75% of bands don't know how to make this happen. It's like they think the bass is just there for no reason.
#61
Quote by Jako215
I really hate when bass is inaudible. If all I can make out of it is low end then it sucks. Bass needs definition and pick attack.

Ew no.

Bass is there to be felt, not heard.
#62
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#63
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that is stupid.
That's funny because it's the prevailing way in which bass is mixed
#64
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That's funny because it's the prevailing way in which bass is mixed

Which is a damn problem.
#65
Quote by willT08
Ew no.

Bass is there to be felt, not heard.





If that was true then why not just eq the low frequencies of the kick up by 20dbs? Huh? Or or, why not turn the bass all the way up on the guitar amp?
#66
Quote by Jako215

If that was true then why not just eq the low frequencies of the kick up by 20dbs? Huh? Or or, why not turn the bass all the way up on the guitar amp?

Firstly, because Kick drums resonate at one frequency. So wacking up the whole low end would cause booming, and wouldn't resonate in key with the song. Whereas having a bass that does follow key tightens up the low end.

Secondly, because a guitar can't produce frequencies low enough to fill out the low end.

Any other mixing questions?

uhm, I dunno what kind of music your listening to, but I can hear the bass in all my favorite bands.
Good for you. What's that got to do with prevailing mixing techniques?

At least Sam's clever enough to know something about music, realize I'm right but have a problem with it. That's a commendable position.
#67
Quote by neidnarb11890
lol uhm ok
Have you ever properly mixed a song in your life? Just out of interest.

Leaving in the higher frequencies from the bass would make things so unnecessarily difficult for something nobody actually wants. So much snare sidechaining it'd be ridiculous.
#68
Quote by neidnarb11890
no. so what?
my point is you should be able to hear the bass.

Oh, so you're telling me about prevailing mixing techniques with no background in mixing.

You don't realize what a nightmare it'd be to produce something to industry standard and leave in the higher frequencies of the bass and leave in the pick attack (which no-one in their right mind wants to hear anyway).
#69
That's funny because it's the prevailing way in which bass is mixed

uhm, I dunno what kind of music your listening to, but I can hear the bass in all my favorite bands.
Yeah you were.

And you might not, but most people do.
#70
It's funny because all of the top end is taken out of the bass as soon as it has to be mixed with the snare

EDIT: And then it's put straight back in around 1.20 when the drums drop out

EDIT2: Yep, and when the drums come back in around 1.50 it's taken out again.

What you seem to like is musical intros with toppy bass.
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#71
Well what do you mean by it?

I can hear the kick, but it's there to be felt. Same way I can hear the bass but it's mixed for the feeling rather than any definition.
#72
Quote by willT08
Firstly, because Kick drums resonate at one frequency. So wacking up the whole low end would cause booming, and wouldn't resonate in key with the song. Whereas having a bass that does follow key tightens up the low end.


Secondly, because a guitar can't produce frequencies low enough to fill out the low end.


Which is shit I know. What you said was so absolute that it made me chuckle like MJ. My counter argument was that if you want to feel the bass but not hear it then adjust frequencies other places.

Any other mixing questions?


No I have a few text books I will refer to but thank you for offering.

leave in the pick attack (which no-one in their right mind wants to hear anyway).


Again another absolute. I quite like the sound of the bass and when done right it adds so much more to a mix.

It's not crystal clear but I can make out when he's hitting the strings which is something a lot of bands are missing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTptPRrFUX0

Again if you focus on the bass you can hear what I like to call the froggyness of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdnIMto1WNU

Cant argue with wanting to hear Dan Briggs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRbnY8EK4Ew
#73
Quote by willT08
Mixing should be able to ruin an album for you. You're not listening properly if it can't.

dumb.
Quote by willT08
Bass is there to be felt, not heard.

what does this even mean? hearing is just a type of feeling, that's how ears work you dumb british idiot.
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That's funny because it's the prevailing way in which bass is mixed

nobody cares about 'the prevailing way' of anything. he was talking about his fav bands.
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Have you ever properly mixed a song in your life? Just out of interest.

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#74
Wow Due, you're angry for a change. I'll leave you to calm down, I assume you've had 2 cans tonight.
#75
Quote by willT08
Wow Due, you're angry for a change.

i don't even know what you mean by this, i'm in a state of emotional ambiguity as usual.
I'll leave you to calm down, I assume you've had 2 cans tonight.

it's not even night time you dumb british idiot.
#76
Yup. Coheed & Cambria's Year of the Black Rainbow. Everything is fuzzy as **** .
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#77
Well drinking in the day is no way to go about remedying your lack of emotions.
#78
Quote by willT08
Ew no.

Bass is there to be felt, not heard.


Because it hasn't been said enough, that is stupid.
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#79
Quote by theogonia777
Because it hasn't been said enough, that is stupid.

Nobody's explained why though. Other than because they prefer it.
#80
Quote by willT08
Nobody's explained why though. Other than because they prefer it.


Because the bass is a valuable part of the overall harmony and important for keeping a consistent rhythm. And what if I want a sweet bass fill? Also not everyone goes to cheesy clubs to listen to the same type of cheesy electronic music that they play in cheesy mall stores that sell cheesy European hats or whatever cheesy junk is fashionable among cheesy fashion hipsters.

And don't give me any of that "industry standard" shit (which, where are you getting that from anyway). You're just assuming that everyone else worships whatever trendy in your little bubble of what's popular in the world of generic cookie-cutter, musically neutral, lowest common denominator electronic dance music.
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