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Will a 40W amplifier be enough when using it on a gig? I plan to buy a Samick Super 20 40W(or so the seller says) for about $125.
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Quote by blankblink
Will a 40W amplifier be enough when using it on a gig? I plan to buy a Samick Super 20 40W(or so the seller says) for about $125.


Unless it's a very small bar/room or so, I wouldn't count on it. Your probably better at buying a lower-wattage tube amp. You can get them for 200-300$ while having around 15-30watts, which on a tube amp produces around the same volume as a 65-100watt transistor amp.
If your happy at having an amp without effects, the tube amp will give you a much more organic and natural sound then a digital-based modelling transistor amp, so if your thinking of gig'ing in the near future, definatly consider buying a tube amp, then buying seperate pedals for the effects you want (or a pedalboard already loaded with loads of effects).
#3
40w solid state=possibly
40w tube=definately

It mainly depends on the volume of the other band members, how controlled your drummer is (a collar and a good leash would help :P) with a tame drummer you could play a bar gig with a 5 watt tube amp.

Don't let anyone tell you a solid state is always bad and tube amps are always great, as that's just not the truth. There are some great ss amps and some really bad tube amps, but a tube amp of equal wattage will be louder than an ss of the same. It's just the way it works.
#4
It depends on the actual amp. Wattage really doesn't mean anything useful pertaining to volume or the ability for an amp to cut through a mix.

If you're micing the amp up, it won't matter. If not, assuming that's just a random cheapo SS amp, I'd be inclined to say no. Though you never know. Regardless, if it can cut through, chances are it won't sound pretty.
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#5
My former guitar teacher is a busy, busy gigging musician in the state of Texas, playing statewide in many venues & styles.

His main go-to amp: 40w Fender HRD Combo.* It can't do everything, so he does have other amps, but that's the one that handles 75% of his gig work.


* same as me
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Quote by jpcl
Unless it's a very small bar/room or so, I wouldn't count on it. Your probably better at buying a lower-wattage tube amp. You can get them for 200-300$ while having around 15-30watts, which on a tube amp produces around the same volume as a 65-100watt transistor amp.
If your happy at having an amp without effects, the tube amp will give you a much more organic and natural sound then a digital-based modelling transistor amp, so if your thinking of gig'ing in the near future, definatly consider buying a tube amp, then buying seperate pedals for the effects you want (or a pedalboard already loaded with loads of effects).

Who told you that crap?
A watt is a watt be it tube or SS. Tube amps are generaly rated at the clean head room not the max output. Tubes also clip in a way that is pleasing to the ear, SS has a harsh clipping.
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I was actually thinking of buying multifx pedals with amp simulations installed on them.but that wouldn't really make my guitar's sound as natural as how tube amps could,right?
#8
They won't sound as good, but a good one will still sound pretty good.
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#9
first off what type of music are you going to be playing. metal, classic rock, rock?
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Quote by dannyalcatraz
They won't sound as good, but a good one will still sound pretty good.

I have Zoom G2 in mind
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Quote by ou8me99
first off what type of music are you going to be playing. metal, classic rock, rock?

Mostly rock.Sometimes metal.
#12
I would get a Crate or a marshall. Currently I have a Crate Flex Wave 65W. Its a really good tube amp, the eq's arent all that good, but it does put out a lot of high gain. I had one of marshalls new 15W amps, made of carbon fiber, it wasnt that bad, i actaully loved its clean mode, and OD modes.
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Quote by ou8me99
I would get a Crate or a marshall. Currently I have a Crate Flex Wave 65W. Its a really good tube amp, the eq's arent all that good, but it does put out a lot of high gain. I had one of marshalls new 15W amps, made of carbon fiber, it wasnt that bad, i actaully loved its clean mode, and OD modes.


Please tell me your joking, or GTFO.
The Crate flexwave is junk and it is deff not a tube amp or have any tubes at all in it.
The Marshall MG series all suck and the "carbon fibre" is still crap.

Now go hide under your Troll bridge.
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#16
You may want to try them out before you decide. I would stay away from any amp with 8x5" speakers.
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I have Zoom G2 in mind

I haven't heard much about those- good or bad- but Zoom makes decent stuff in general.
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#18
So there's this $125 Roland Spirit 30,this $111 Roland GC-405x,and this $99 Zoom G2.All used (and hopefully very well taken care of). So which one should I take?
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You should take the Vypyr 30 that is always on used GC for $100
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Quote by randomguy2000
You should take the Vypyr 30 that is always on used GC for $100

Too bad though.I don't think anyone in my area sells an amp like that for such affordable price. But I did manage to find a Peavey Envoy 110 Transtube which costs about $150. Think it's a good deal or is it too good to be true?
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Quote by blankblink
Too bad though.I don't think anyone in my area sells an amp like that for such affordable price. But I did manage to find a Peavey Envoy 110 Transtube which costs about $150. Think it's a good deal or is it too good to be true?

Where do you live in the world, and what is your budget? you need to help us help you. When you start giving prices like $150 most automaticly assume your in the USA
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Quote by Robbgnarly
Where do you live in the world, and what is your budget? you need to help us help you. When you start giving prices like $150 most automaticly assume your in the USA

I live in the Philippines and I have Php 7000(about $172).I'm just trying to look for used and pre-loved guitar amplifiers(if in case you say that I wouldn't find brand new amps for that price).
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Quote by blankblink
I live in the Philippines and I have Php 7000(about $172).I'm just trying to look for used and pre-loved guitar amplifiers(if in case you say that I wouldn't find brand new amps for that price).

No worries, you have the right idea.

Hear are a few amps to look for in your area:
Fender mustang II
Peavey Vypyr 30
Vox VT40
Roland Cube 40

These are all Modeling amps, and will be really good for you. I don't know the used prices in your area, but these run $100-$150ish in my area.
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Quote by Robbgnarly
No worries, you have the right idea.

Hear are a few amps to look for in your area:
Fender mustang II
Peavey Vypyr 30
Vox VT40
Roland Cube 40

These are all Modeling amps, and will be really good for you. I don't know the used prices in your area, but these run $100-$150ish in my area.


Any other amps you can recommend cause the only amp I've found worth the price is the Roland Cube 40(about $210)?

BTW,I just found a Roland Spirit 50 for about $185.I think I could extend my budget to that only.
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#26
The roland cube40 will be much more versitile for you. It has several amp models and it has built in FX

See if you can try both and decide which you like the best
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You are pretty new yourself.


It's 2013 now, not 2012.
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Quote by Robbgnarly
The roland cube40 will be much more versitile for you. It has several amp models and it has built in FX

See if you can try both and decide which you like the best


When a seller indicates that an amplifier is 40-60 watts,what does it mean?
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Quote by blankblink
When a seller indicates that an amplifier is 40-60 watts,what does it mean?

It means he really does not know and thinks it is between 40 and 60 watts. The cube 40 is 40 watts.
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#30
Screw the Zoom g2. The G3 is far more useful for bedroom playing/practicing and costs about the same.
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Quote by Robbgnarly
No worries, you have the right idea.

Hear are a few amps to look for in your area:
Fender mustang II
Peavey Vypyr 30
Vox VT40
Roland Cube 40

These are all Modeling amps, and will be really good for you. I don't know the used prices in your area, but these run $100-$150ish in my area.

Which of these amps would you get if you had a quite flexible budget?(please choose only from these 4)
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Quote by blankblink
Which of these amps would you get if you had a quite flexible budget?(please choose only from these 4)

Well it depends on what you want out of your tone. The Fender Mustang II and Vox VT40are nice if you play rock and need better cleans. The Peavey Vypyr30 is a good amp, but it excells at higher gain musical styles like metal.

I like harder music, so the Peavey vypyr 30 would be my choice.
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You are pretty new yourself.

I win.

TS, your thread is all scatterbrained and such.

What do you want from us?
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I win.


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Quote by blankblink
Which of these amps would you get if you had a quite flexible budget?(please choose only from these 4)


IF I had to choose from only those 4 it would be either the Vypyr or the Cube but that doesn't really address your original question. It's perfectly true to say that 40w is 40w regardless of it being solid state or valve BUT there's a world of difference in reality. Solid state amps sound worse the louder they go whereas valve amps tend to sound better. Because of this, it will be very difficult to play a gig with a 30 or 40w amp that is solid state. It will get loud enough but it will sound awful. Conversely, a 15w or 20w valve amp will be more than enough. I play a 60w valve amp and I'm loud at a gig with the volume hardly up at all. The other guitarist in the band uses so little power on his 50w that he's currently looking at changing it for an 18w and believe me, in a valve amp that will be more than enough for most situations, especially as he can use a mic to put it through the PA too.

The amps you mention are decent amps but if you want to play gigs at some point, you'll need to change it so it may be a false economy. I'd say that if you just want an amp for now and use in the home, get a Vypyr or a Cube but if you want to use it for gigs, save a bit more and get a valve amp. You're other option is to use a solid state amp of much bigger capacity. I'd say no less than 100w. That way it will sound decent at home and be loud enough for gigs, though it won't sound anything like as good as a valve amp. Honestly, if you want to gig, a 15w-20w valve amp is the best option for you by some margin.
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I just picked up a floor model Roland 40xl for $185. Cant tell it was a floor model. This amp ROCKS. It is loud, very loud. It has multiple effects, that work and sound great. Unless you are a tone snob, lol, this amp will do you right. If only you could find a used one or floor model. Not alot of used though, as they are soooooooooo nice. Really. Maybe not for the "professional" musician? But I think most of us would love this amp.
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Quote by hatchet_job
I just picked up a floor model Roland 40xl for $185. Cant tell it was a floor model. This amp ROCKS. It is loud, very loud. It has multiple effects, that work and sound great. Unless you are a tone snob, lol, this amp will do you right. If only you could find a used one or floor model. Not alot of used though, as they are soooooooooo nice. Really. Maybe not for the "professional" musician? But I think most of us would love this amp.


This thread is attracting n00bs like flies around shit...
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#38
And you are the shit??? I'm really not attracted to you at all.
Noob?? I can play Smoke on the Water with only one finger!!!
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And you are the shit??? I'm really not attracted to you at all.
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#40
Going back to those 4 amps the OP asked about:

The Mustang series of amps are great if you like classic rock/clean/everything but scooped super heavy metal.
The vypyrs aren't that good for classic rock/clean but make up for it by being absolutely superb at heavy metal.
The cube falls somewhere in the middle, IMO. If you read this and think you want a mix of the Mustang and Vypyr, this may be the best option for you.
I really didn't like the VOX VT series at all. It just sounded like a worse version of the cube.
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