Are pit bulls naturally vicious to humans or is it due to bad owners?

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#1
IF as a pit bull owner or a regular person, you show fear to a pit bull, will it naturally attack you? Any pit bulls owners know?
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Naw man, it's not that. It's the other one.
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I have a pit bull that was thrown out of a car alongside the road, we found her with a rope around her neck, and she isn't vicious in the slightest. In fact, she's timid.
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My mom is a dog trainer so I have quite a bit of experience with this topic.

It's the dumbass neglectful owner.

These poor dogs are ****ing BANNED in Ontario (to a degree, not totally) because idiots don't understand that the breed has almost nothing to do with their viscousness, it has a lot to do with how they're brought up. I mean these dogs are naturally aggressive to a degree, but only when provoked to be that way.

If you're a good owner, your dog will be a ****ing sweetheart. If you treat your dog like shit or train it to be a certain way, it will be that way. This is not limited to any breed. You could train a Shitzu to be a little ****er, just like you could train a pitbull.
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3 pitbulls tore my mom's cat to literal pieces on her front lawn. pretty good.
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These poor dogs are ****ing BANNED in Ontario (to a degree, not totally) because idiots don't understand that the breed has almost nothing to do with their viscousness, it has a lot to do with how they're brought up.
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This thread is now about how adorable puppies are.

To stay on-topic, lets start with a Pit Bull puppy.

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Like any dog, pit bulls are born with a potential for violence, it's just that pit bulls also have the build to back up that potential, but also like any dog, with the right training and raising techniques they can make great family pets.
We've had pit-bulls, bull-terriers and bull-terrier crosses, each one was a little hard work at first, (because that's just what puppies are like) and each one had it's own personality, but every one of them turned out to make great adult dogs.
#18
I dunno, my guess is owners. But let's all talk about how not vicious them pet cats are.
Pretty non-vicious, those pet cats are I tell you.
It sure is great having a non-vicious cat inside the house.

Though some are evil.
...Like my cat....
But she's a cool cat so its okay.
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#19
It is due to owners, unfotunately due to dogfighting and lethal attacks, a stigma has attached to them that leads the public to believe they are predispositioned to be agressive. Being an animal lover I can tell you that this is far from the truth and they in fact make great pets.
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Some dog breeds will always have more potential for violence than others.
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#21
Most often it is due to the owner doing a poor job in taking care of the animal. That is not to say some may not have naturally dominant personalities. I used to have a Rottweiler which as most of you know are very strong and WILLFUL dogs. They get a bad reputation also and mine just happened to have a very strong personality that required firm training. They are great dogs but without proper obedience training and attention, they can really run amok and cause damage without knowing what they are really doing. I've also met a lot of pits in my day that are very sweet animals, because they had responsible owners!
#22
Ok I personally am sick of this shitty rep pits have. When I was 9, my friend and I came across a full grown pit bull on our way home from school. She didn't have a collar, and we didn't want her to get hurt, so we took her back to his place and waited there for 6 hours for animal control to come pick her up. For that entire time, she laid at our feet, wagged her tail, and licked us and did other generally adorable dog things. No signs of viciousness, no signs of violence, same as every other goddamn pitbull I've ever met. When I mentioned the thing to my mother, she flipped the fuck out JUST because it was a pit bull. They are no more violent than any other dog, and every time I hear someone talking shit about them I get beyond pissed off. So to the world in general LAY THE FUCK OFF THE MOTHER****ING PITBULLS.


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Nope, it's all in the owners. My dog is half pitbull half boxer, and he is a sweet (albeit incredibly stupid) dog. The stigma is because pitbulls have a naturally large build and some of the strongest (if not the strongest) jaws on any breed. I've been bitten by my dog on accident while playing, and yeah, it hurt like hell (far more than the black lab I owned before him), but he's never attacked anyone. Jumped on them out of excitement? Yes. Mauled them to death? No.
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Meh I think it's a bit idealistic to claim that different breeds of dogs don't differ in how aggressive, strong, territorial, and trusting they are, but ultimately it's just as ignorant to think that a lot of these traits can't be either reduced or exacerbated by how their raised.

In other words, some breeds may be naturally more prone to violence, but that doesn't mean that all dogs of that breed definitely will be.
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I know a lot of people who have pitbulls and they treat their dogs right and in turn the dogs are kind creatures. Any dog can be vicious if trained to be!
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I know a lot of people who have pitbulls and they treat their dogs right and in turn the dogs are kind creatures. Any dog can be vicious if trained to be!

True, but that doesn't mean that all dogs are equally prone to being vicious.
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It's true all dog breeds are different, but what other dogs receive the same stigma? The amount of pitbulls that are euthanized each year just for being pitbulls is disgusting.
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Nah, pit bulls can be total sweethearts. Just don't be a dick to them
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#29
All predators (including humans) have a form of vicious nature by instinct. It's always up to the owner to either reinforce or suppress it by raising the dog correctly.
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All predators (including humans) have a form of vicious nature by instinct. It's always up to the owner to either reinforce or suppress it by raising the dog correctly.
This, though I'd add that it also depends on personality. It's always a combination of nature & nurture.
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It's true all dog breeds are different, but what other dogs receive the same stigma? The amount of pitbulls that are euthanized each year just for being pitbulls is disgusting.

Having looked it up on Wiki, I think I actually had a different understanding of what a pit bull is compared to what Wiki says.

I was imagining these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bull_Terrier

Whereas Wiki says it is these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitbull

My sister used to have a Staffy. It was lovely. Absolutely hated other dogs though. It would literally rip another animal to shreds if it had the chance (not that it ever did, btw).


The focus really should be on the owners and how these dogs are raised, but nevertheless the numbers that this article cites are pretty significant:
A 9-year (1979–88) review of fatal dog attacks in the United States determined that, of the 101 attacks in which breed was recorded, pit bulls were implicated in 42 of those attacks (41.6%).[31] A 1991 study found that 94% of attacks on children by pit bulls were unprovoked, compared to 43% for other breeds.[32] A 5-year (1989–94) review of fatal dog attacks in the United States determined that pit bulls and pit bull mixed breeds were implicated in 24 (28.6%) of the 84 deaths in which breed was recorded.[33]

A 15-year (1991–2005) review of dog attack fatalities investigated by the Kentucky Medical Examiner determined that pit bulls were implicated in 5 of the 11 fatal attacks (45.4%).[34] Another 15-year (1994–2009) review of patients admitted to a Level I Trauma Center with dog bites determined that pit bulls were most often involved in these attacks: of the 228 patients treated, the breed of dog was recorded in 82 attacks, and of these, 29 (35%) attacks were attributed to pit bulls. All other dogs combined accounted for the remaining 65% of attacks.[35]
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Pitbulls are not particularly more aggressive than other dogs, but they're stupid and difficult to care for properly, and thus can turn aggressive simply out of boredom or stubbornness.
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My sister used to have a Staffy. It was lovely. Absolutely hated other dogs though. It would literally rip another animal to shreds if it had the chance (not that it ever did, btw).


My cousin has a Wolfhound Terrier. It's scrappy and doesn't like little dogs that bark at it, but it's just kept away from other dogs. Would never hurt a person.

The thing is in the UK, Pitbulls get a bad rep, and it's only because it's the chavs go-to dog. They train them to hurt people, but you could train a pitbull to be gentle. They just need to be trained in a right way. I think people should take more care when they sell the dogs to people as well.
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My family owns 3 purebred pitbulls, though we've had to leave them in my uncle's care due to recently moving and they're freaking banned down here, and we don't have the money to pay for accommodations to keep them, like a giant cage and fence and stuff.

They're angels (well, the 2 girls are.) One of the girls is a blue pit, the other is black with white spots. The blue pit loves children, and being around people. The black and white one is really playful and sweet, people say they love her. The only slightly aggressive one is the boy, but that's because we've trained him to be a guard dog. I can't count the times he's saved us from robbery, and he even saved my aunt when she came to visit and her boyfriend started beating her. He's aggressive toward strangers, but he loves us. He can be a little asshole though, he loves to piss or take a crap on my floor whenever I yell at him to jump off of my bed.
#35
Bad owners. I know, I have worked at an animal shelter for a while. It's ALL about bad owners, barring any issues of inbreeding etc.
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Googling dog breeds has made me realize I had German Shepards and Rottweilers mixed up.

My dog is half Rottweiler, not German Shepard lol

No clue about the other half though, could be anything medium sized with ears that stick up.
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I think the misconception comes from the fact that the sort of mouth-breather who wants a violent dog will buy a dog that is strong/dangerous/initially bred for hunting because that appeals to them more. They'll then, due to their attitude and intentions with the animal, raise it in such a way that it becomes violent and dangerous, tarnishing the reputation of that particular species. In reality, the same dog could have turned out to be a perfectly safe and suitable family pet had it been properly cared for.
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My mom is a dog trainer so I have quite a bit of experience with this topic.

It's the dumbass neglectful owner.

These poor dogs are ****ing BANNED in Ontario (to a degree, not totally) because idiots don't understand that the breed has almost nothing to do with their viscousness, it has a lot to do with how they're brought up. I mean these dogs are naturally aggressive to a degree, but only when provoked to be that way.

If you're a good owner, your dog will be a ****ing sweetheart. If you treat your dog like shit or train it to be a certain way, it will be that way. This is not limited to any breed. You could train a Shitzu to be a little ****er, just like you could train a pitbull.



Everyone says this but my sister had her face torn apart pretty bad when she was four when she was playing with a pitbull. It was at a rich persons house with a tennis court in the back and a nanny, this dog was not being neglected or poorly treated.
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As the owner of a fierce-ass chihauhau, I agree. Funny thing is, you gently smack them and that's the end of that. Of course, this only works, if you're the owner.

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Everyone says this but my sister had her face torn apart pretty bad when she was four when she was playing with a pitbull. It was at a rich persons house with a tennis court in the back and a nanny, this dog was not being neglected or poorly treated.

If a dog is NOT used to little kids, then the owner should have NEVER let your sister near it. In fact, he probably should never let her near it anyway. Many dogs can be overreactive towards people they don't know. Little kids don't know that things like pulling on a dog's ears or trying to ride a dog or pulling its tail is bad. Therefore, that was more due to your parents and the owner's negligence than due to the dog.

Hell, my 5pound chihauhau needs to be put in his tiny kennel when we have people with little kids over at our house. Why? Because all of us at our house are over 20. He literally has no idea how to treat little kids and get scared when they make sudden moves. It probably was somewhat the same with the pitbull in your sister's case.
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I had a main coone that scratched a 3 year old kid in the face when she was chasing him. He's not poorly treated or anything, but he's not used to children so she freaked him out. Though this doesn't mean that all cats, or all maine coons are violent.


So yeah, unless your pet's used to kids, don't let them near kids.
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