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So i live in Mexico and it's very difficult for me to get somebody to install some locking tuners (i like the sperzle's) and i don't have the "skills"or tools to install them so i come to you with this question...


Are locking tuners really necessary??
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no but I enjoy them, making putting strings on so much easier. theya re really easy to install, just need a small phillips head screw driver. pretty novice.
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What do you mean? You just unscrew the old ones and put the new ones in. You just have to get ones that match up with the screw hole of the old one.
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What do you mean? You just unscrew the old ones and put the new ones in. You just have to get ones that match up with the screw hole of the old one.


if my sources are true you need to make another hole near the tuner hole for a piece of the tuner that keeps it in place


(make a hole, lol)
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Depends on what you're changing to and from. Lots of aftermarket tuners just drop right in.

Plus it's not exactly hard to drill a small hold for a set screw. Just check the specs on your tuners and find ones that have the same specs or at least the same main hole size. This is absolutely something you can do yourself.
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Depends on what you're changing to and from. Lots of aftermarket tuners just drop right in.

Plus it's not exactly hard to drill a small hold for a set screw. Just check the specs on your tuners and find ones that have the same specs or at least the same main hole size. This is absolutely something you can do yourself.



ok, thats true any ideas of other locking tuner brands?
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I like Hipshots the best but Schaller makes some good ones, and so does Grover. I've heard good things about the planet waves ones but haven't used them myself.
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The sperzels have a pin instead of a locating screw.



Pull one of yours off and do some measuring.
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The sperzels have a pin instead of a locating screw.



Pull one of yours off and do some measuring.


i would have to drill a hole for the pin i'm afraid i will screw up the guitar becuase i don't have the skills to do it

you think Schallers (they tell me you just screw them) would be a good option?
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Pretty sure the schallers have a locating pin too, maybe not all but they do. What guitar have you got? You'll need to know the size of the main hole too. There isn't just one size. You need to identify what you need. You can normally pull the specs on what's available but you have to know what you need.
Off you go now. Pull off a tuner and take some measurements.
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The locating pin for Sperzels is ridiculously easy. You could do it with a hand drill provided you have a steady enough hand to hold it straight

EDIT: the sperzels come with a drill guide on the box too so as long as you dont need to change the actual holes that the tuner fits in, you just line up the guide tape it down and drill the locating pin hole (which is all of like 10-15mm deep)
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5mm deep actually. Says 4.4mm on the diagram.
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so on both of them you have to drill...

OK Sperzel's or Schallers?
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OK Sperzel's or Schallers?


Which do you like the looks of better? They're both good.
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i hate locking tuners. i put a brand new pair of sperzels on a guitar. i had them properly installed (i just drilled for the pins), within 6 months, two were broken. they didn't have good customer service and for some reason they said they weren't going to warranty or have a warranty in the first place.

i threw them in a parts bin and bought grovers (non locking) tuners has been several yaers. and no problems.

i like gotoh grover and schaller most., i think every guitar i own except for three gibsons have one of the three brands. no issues there.

i did have locking tuners on one other guitar i flipped and i didn't like them either i probably only had it for a week. it was a hamer standard (explorer like shape)
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I don't think locking tuners are typically necessary to keep a guitar in tune. As long as you don't have ancient strings, it's setup well and you stretch the strings in when you put a fresh set on you shouldn't have any trouble.

The only reason I could see myself getting locking tuners would be to make restringing faster, which is in no way warranting me to spend $100 or so on them.
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5mm deep actually. Says 4.4mm on the diagram.


hahah whoops been like 2 years since I installed mine, so went from memory and didnt even look at the diagram for that
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I don't think locking tuners are typically necessary to keep a guitar in tune. As long as you don't have ancient strings, it's setup well and you stretch the strings in when you put a fresh set on you shouldn't have any trouble.

The only reason I could see myself getting locking tuners would be to make restringing faster, which is in no way warranting me to spend $100 or so on them.


+311 and if you do the string (for lack of a better term) knot technique when stringing, and do everything else properly you will be solidly in tune. that s how i always do it.

if you really want locking i back up cath's rec on the grovers in general, i haven't tried that model though.
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I've been asking much the same! From what i can gather, locking tuners don't exactly add to tuning stability moreso than non-locking, but it does make string changes neater/quicker.

I was recommended to try out some nut sauce to lube my guitar, so the strings don't get caught when using the tremolo.
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+311 and if you do the string (for lack of a better term) knot technique when stringing, and do everything else properly you will be solidly in tune. that s how i always do it.

if you really want locking i back up cath's rec on the grovers in general, i haven't tried that model though.


String knot technique???
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String knot technique???


its not a knot but i can't describe it.

pretty much like this, but i do it a tiny bit different.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-gQQaMhh14
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i hate locking tuners. i put a brand new pair of sperzels on a guitar. i had them properly installed (i just drilled for the pins), within 6 months, two were broken. they didn't have good customer service and for some reason they said they weren't going to warranty or have a warranty in the first place.

i threw them in a parts bin and bought grovers (non locking) tuners has been several yaers. and no problems.

i like gotoh grover and schaller most., i think every guitar i own except for three gibsons have one of the three brands. no issues there.

i did have locking tuners on one other guitar i flipped and i didn't like them either i probably only had it for a week. it was a hamer standard (explorer like shape)




I've had locking Schaller's on my Mexi Strat for nearly a decade, locking Sperzels on my Suhr for two years (plus two other Suhrs over that same time period) and locking Grovers on my Custom for a few months. Not one problem with any of them, and they definitely make restringing convenient. I don't particularly care enough to change the tuners on my Historics or CS Strat, but they're great and I'd definitely recommend them for convenience's sake.
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+1 to molter, 3 of my guitars have sperzels. actually they happen to be the 3 with bigsby's, makes that horrible process way easier.

I dont have tuning issues on any other guitars enough to warrant changing, but if I could be bothered I'd have them on all my guitars to make re-stringing amazingly easy.
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https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=602241

it would something like the diagram from that thread?


exactly. should have looked there first.
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I've had locking Schaller's on my Mexi Strat for nearly a decade, locking Sperzels on my Suhr for two years (plus two other Suhrs over that same time period) and locking Grovers on my Custom for a few months. Not one problem with any of them, and they definitely make restringing convenient. I don't particularly care enough to change the tuners on my Historics or CS Strat, but they're great and I'd definitely recommend them for convenience's sake.


i have schallers on a few, quite a few with grovers, and gotoh (on prestige ibbys), i just don't like sperzel for their locking tuners (nor customer service). but i haven't installed any of their locking tuners. just standard, and have never had an issue other than the sperzels.
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Honestly, it might be a recent problem, though I dunno when you tried them. Suhr switched over to Hipshot about 7-8 months ago for some reason, and a decline in quality from Sperzel is always a possible reason.
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they're nice but not necessary. as long as you have your re-stringing technique down, you really shouldn't have tuning issues.

and remember to wrap as little of the string as you can afford around the peg. the more string you wrap, the more issues you're likely to have.
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and remember to wrap as little of the string as you can afford around the peg. the more string you wrap, the more issues you're likely to have.

Are you talking with the locking or without the locking? You want a solid amount of winds on non-locking to reduce the risk of string slippage.
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non-locking. and if you wind it right you'll have no slippage. this is how i wind mine (on what coincidentally happens to be my strat with locking tuners )

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non-locking. and if you wind it right you'll have no slippage. this is how i wind mine (on what coincidentally happens to be my strat with locking tuners )


I just get a clean wind from the bottom up and stretch them out. Never had to bother with that knot shit.
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i used to wind as much of the string as i could around the peg. always had bad tuning issues. then i read somewhere that it's best to have as little string on the peg as possible. tried it, and bam. no more tuning issues.
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i used to wind as much of the string as i could around the peg. always had bad tuning issues. then i read somewhere that it's best to have as little string on the peg as possible. tried it, and bam. no more tuning issues.


Yes. Less string means less windings, which means less contact area and consequently, less points of friction, and friction is the arch-nemesis of tuning stability.
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I don't go overboard, just enough to prevent it from slipping. Never had issues either. My guitars actually stay relatively well in-tune most of the time actually.
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Honestly, it might be a recent problem, though I dunno when you tried them. Suhr switched over to Hipshot about 7-8 months ago for some reason, and a decline in quality from Sperzel is always a possible reason.


i think i got mine in like September if i were to guess. i did a flawless install, took my time and i was using a drill press and everything set to depth.

it was on my older black Black satin les paul studio.
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