hardcore81
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Does anyone know anything about these guitars? I found a gorgeous one on Sweetwater but can't find much info about them online and there aren't any near me that I can try out

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SGJT2CH-13d/#
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Just another low-end American Gibson. If you like the look and get one without problems it’s probably a good deal for the money.
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looks beautiful, and doesn't have a bad price for an American-made guitar. I'd go ahead and get it. I think you can send it back if you're not satisfied.
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In my experience, Gibson's low end suffers quite a bit. I would really make sure you can try one before you buy it. Especially since that is brand new model for 2013....I think...Within the last year anyway. It is a beautiful guitar, though!

For the same price, you might consider an Epi... But I understand if you don't want that name on your guitar. There are other options such as Hagstrom, Schecter, etc.

...But still... I get ya... A Gibby is a Gibby... That's why I have my SG Standard.
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I doodled on one earlier today at GC. It wasn't a bad guitar, actually I thought it was nicer than the price tag suggested.

I also test drove one of the new studios today as well. Holy hell that thing was nice.
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Les Paul Studio?
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Quote by Alucard817
I also test drove one of the new studios today as well. Holy hell that thing was nice.


I picked up a blowout LP studio in November. It’s now my #1. The build quality on low end Gibsons is a lot better than they get credit for.
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I feel it's either hit of miss as far as quality. I've played some that I was like "whoaaaaa, man." and I've played some where I was like "and they put these frets on how?".
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Quote by Angusman60
Les Paul Studio?

Yeppie.
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I picked up a blowout LP studio in November. It’s now my #1. The build quality on low end Gibsons is a lot better than they get credit for.

Well the build quality deserved some of that flak. I think with the newer guitars Gibson is seriously trying to bring back their reputation.
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I'd imagine. Especially when so many people have gone over to PRS. PRS is the new brand that when someone has one (a real one, not SE) you think "They must be somebody."...
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Played one for a short time and kind of liked it.
Didn't have much time with it though.

A Faded SG I played in a store once is pretty much my favourite SG I've ever played.

Really like those satin-finished Gibsons.
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Being a gibson lover especially sg's i can say they are very much love hate even from the same model I would highly recommend you play one first.
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Early reports suggest they are the same as the previous 'Faded', 'Worn' and 'Vintage Mahogany' lines and are on par with Studios and Specials.

They look nice and they get the same PLEK treatment as every other Gibson, so they probably play nicely. I don't doubt that they get the less desirable cuts of wood, but at that price point it should be expected and even the worst wood that Gibson uses is drastically nicer than the best wood used in guitars from Epiphone, Agile, Vintage and other copy brands.

Only thing I don't like about them is the flat-covered pickups Just serves no purpose and I think bare bobbins would fit the wrecked look better. Still, easy enough change, anyway.

Plus it's the cheapest way to get the Min-ETune system.
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I purchased a "Blemished" SGJ from Zzounds. It felt good and played well up the neck (24 frets). The rubbed white finish is striking like a blizzard. I could not find any appearance blemishes, but all the strings fretted just slightly sharp on the first few frets. It became very noticeable when playing with other instruments. The G string bent under typically downward pressure on the first couple of frets. I experimented with neck relief and bridge height to no avail. My best guess is that the nut was notched too far up from the fretboard. Zzounds granted an RMA, so I await the replacement. But I agree that the lower end Gibsons can be winners if set up properly. I have a "worn cherry" used Les Paul Studio that sings.
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Quote by bware
I purchased a "Blemished" SGJ from Zzounds. It felt good and played well up the neck (24 frets). The rubbed white finish is striking like a blizzard. I could not find any appearance blemishes, but all the strings fretted just slightly sharp on the first few frets. It became very noticeable when playing with other instruments. The G string bent under typically downward pressure on the first couple of frets. I experimented with neck relief and bridge height to no avail. My best guess is that the nut was notched too far up from the fretboard. Zzounds granted an RMA, so I await the replacement. But I agree that the lower end Gibsons can be winners if set up properly. I have a "worn cherry" used Les Paul Studio that sings.

Sounds like the intonation was off, which is a easy fix
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I tried out the Gibson SGJ yesterday to compare it with the Gibson SG Special and much preferred the SGJ. The neck was much slimmer and more comfortable to play yet the fretboard was fatter so i had more freedom with it. It is a super light guitar which i did not feel after the 40 minutes of having it on a strap whereas i often have this problem with les pauls. I loved the finish on it and i preferred this to the glossy smooth finish of other SG's. I noticed a better Tone on the pickups to those on the Special and also i preferred the hardware ( The machine heads stayed in tune better and i also thought they look really decent too )

I would certainly recommend this guitar to somebody who wants a good guitar at a very reasonable price. It is suited to different styles of music, easy to play with the 24 fret neck and low action and it looks incredible in whichever finish.

I would say to try one out first because obviously my opinions on it wont be the same as everybodys.

If you are looking for an affordable SG i would highly recommend this one over the Special and youll also save a few quid left over to change hardware or whatever.
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I played one in a GC a few months ago..

It looks nice, the factory set up sucked, sounded like a faded.

It seems like me to be the replacement to the budget faded series, which was a killer series for the price at the time.
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I have also looked these over and they’re pretty good for the money. The build quality is pretty sold. The fretwork isn’t as good as better Asian guitars (Epiphone Les Pauls have better fretwork), so assume that you’ll have to pay a luthier to file the ends and polish the frets.
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Quote by jpnyc
I have also looked these over and they’re pretty good for the money. The build quality is pretty sold. The fretwork isn’t as good as better Asian guitars (Epiphone Les Pauls have better fretwork), so assume that you’ll have to pay a luthier to file the ends and polish the frets.

All Gibsons are PLEK'd so the frets are pretty damn good
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Not all Gibsons get a fret PLEK. Some, I think the studios and similar models, only get the nut PLEK. So it's possible that the SGJ has hand finished frets.
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Oh OK, I was under the impression every guitar but the Melody Maker were PLEK'd.
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A friend just bought one a couple of weeks ago. I went over to his hoping to try it out (as a regular guitar) to find that he'd already raised the action and swapped the bridge p/up to play slide in G.

Sounded great (he put a Bareknuckle in the bridge - not sure which), but I don't profess to being the greatest slide player.
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Quote by Robbgnarly
All Gibsons are PLEK'd so the frets are pretty damn good


A PLEK doesn’t automatically make the fretwork good. It just makes the frets level. Someone still has to polish the frets and file the ends. Low end Gibsons have very little filing done and they don’t polish enough so the frets are much rougher than similarly priced imports. My Les Paul studio has the same .010 strings that I use on my Asian guitars but they feel heavier because the frets were so poorly polished. Go to Guitar Center and put an Epi Les Paul standard next to a USA J or Studio model and you’ll see what I mean.
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The problem with low end gibsons (and all gibsons, really) is the crap quality control. They can push out some of the best guitars you can pick up...and some of the biggest pieces of shit you will ever play. Honestly, I don't get it, for the price point, Epiphone has some amazing quality control (in my experience) but literally every Gibson I've tried failed to impress, except for one Gibson Explorer...but $1,200 worth of guitar? Naaah. I picked up a $4,000 Les Paul Custom and it was absolutely doodoo, same with a $2,000+ Hummingbird, my old Dixon Hummingbird I owned at the time was 100x better, albeit they were made by an ex-Gibson employee in the 60's...

Honestly, these days, there's not much difference between an Epiphone and a Gibson, just the electronics, and some Epiphones come with Gibson electronics and high end hardware, so wayyagondo.
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Quote by Velcro Man
The problem with low end gibsons (and all gibsons, really) is the crap quality control. They can push out some of the best guitars you can pick up...and some of the biggest pieces of shit you will ever play. Honestly, I don't get it, for the price point, Epiphone has some amazing quality control (in my experience) but literally every Gibson I've tried failed to impress, except for one Gibson Explorer...but $1,200 worth of guitar? Naaah. I picked up a $4,000 Les Paul Custom and it was absolutely doodoo, same with a $2,000+ Hummingbird, my old Dixon Hummingbird I owned at the time was 100x better, albeit they were made by an ex-Gibson employee in the 60's...

Honestly, these days, there's not much difference between an Epiphone and a Gibson, just the electronics, and some Epiphones come with Gibson electronics and high end hardware, so wayyagondo.

I have seen very few examples of bad QC from Gibson. Gibson is made very well with very good QC.

Most Gibsons come set-up very badly from the factory and this is what most call "Bad QC" which it is not. This is easily fixed with a few adjustments.

Yes Gibsons do feel a lot different from one another because they have hand-finished necks, so the same "guitars" can feel very different.
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Quote by Robbgnarly
I have seen very few examples of bad QC from Gibson. Gibson is made very well with very good QC.

Most Gibsons come set-up very badly from the factory and this is what most call "Bad QC" which it is not. This is easily fixed with a few adjustments.

Yes Gibsons do feel a lot different from one another because they have hand-finished necks, so the same "guitars" can feel very different.


I'm more referring to the quality of the electronics and hardware. I'd prefer a company NOT to set up a guitar when they ship it out, everyone likes their actions different. But the QC from Gibson is deplorable for guitars at their price point. If you're paying $1,000+ for a guitar, ESPECIALLY a USA made guitar, ****ing quality control shouldn't even be something you should have to consider.
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Quote by Velcro Man
I'm more referring to the quality of the electronics and hardware. I'd prefer a company NOT to set up a guitar when they ship it out, everyone likes their actions different. But the QC from Gibson is deplorable for guitars at their price point. If you're paying $1,000+ for a guitar, ESPECIALLY a USA made guitar, ****ing quality control shouldn't even be something you should have to consider.

Like I have said Gibson has very good QC, and I have only see a few guitars that had QC issues (I've been playing since 1992). I have seen Fenders, Ibanez, ESP and many others with issues, so your statement is pretty moot.

Now that doesn't mean you have to like or hate these guitars as a whole.
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I know quite a few people that have bought these and not one of them has been disappointed with their purchase. They are basically the new SG Special and from what I've heard they're really good guitars.
Please don't turn this thread into a "Gibson quality control" thread, it's soooo boring and repetitive.
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Quote by Robbgnarly
Like I have said Gibson has very good QC, and I have only see a few guitars that had QC issues (I've been playing since 1992). I have seen Fenders, Ibanez, ESP and many others with issues, so your statement is pretty moot.

Now that doesn't mean you have to like or hate these guitars as a whole.


How does your experience make my point moot? You can google tons of people that have experienced these issues and will confirm the problem. It's really gotten bad in the past decade, from what I can see, not saying Gibson hasn't always pushed out some lemons, but it's become more and more of a problem.

I've seen a lot of people blame Henry Juszkiewicz but...idk about all that. Fender has always had about the same level of QC issues as Gibson, funnily enough. ESP however has some of the best reviews I've ever seen. Ibanez is about normal-good for a guitar company. Epiphone too.
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How does your experience make my point moot? You can google tons of people that have experienced these issues and will confirm the problem. It's really gotten bad in the past decade, from what I can see, not saying Gibson hasn't always pushed out some lemons, but it's become more and more of a problem.

I've seen a lot of people blame Henry Juszkiewicz but...idk about all that. Fender has always had about the same level of QC issues as Gibson, funnily enough. ESP however has some of the best reviews I've ever seen. Ibanez is about normal-good for a guitar company. Epiphone too.

I was using that as a point, that there are bad guitars put out sometimes by all companies. (well I have never seen a PRS or EBMM with bad QC, ever)
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Quote by Robbgnarly
I was using that as a point, that there are bad guitars put out sometimes by all companies. (well I have never seen a PRS or EBMM with bad QC, ever)


That's because PRS and Music Man instruments are brought down by God from music heaven.
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That's because PRS and Music Man instruments are brought down by God from music heaven.

Yep, I sold my Gibson LP when I bought my PRS. I kick myself for selling it now, it was a great guitar, but I never played it anymore and I needed money.
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