Musician_Cooter
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#1
Guitar set up:
94 Peavey Reactor tele.
Fender bridge
Grover tuners
Seymour Duncan Hot Rails in the bridge.

Amp:
Carvin V3M
Avatar tradition 2x12 [gt75 and v30]

Budget: $200

Basically, my amp sounds CHOICE with my LTD EC-1000 with the JB/'59. Pinches galore, no problems.

With the tele, its hard to get a pinch harmonic off, and it's not quite the sound I want. I'm debating on 2 options:

EMG SA in the bridge, [which i hear isn't really great for high gain]

OR

Warmoth bridge:
http://www.warmoth.com/Gotoh-Humbucker-Tele-Bridge-Black-P603C709.aspx

With a Duncan Blackout Metal humbucker.


I feel like the humbucker route, despite all the chopping up and routing it would take to make it happen, would be my best option.
However, If I can lessen the financial burden, and put a hotter, full sounding single coil in the bridge, that would be even better.

Opinions ?
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#2
I would think the pickup would have more to do with the gain than the bridge. I would also go for the high gain single- coil and avoid extra routing.
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Musician_Cooter
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well the only reason I mentioned the bridge was because to go humbucker, I'd have to ditch the Fender bridge, as It's only for single coil.
Have you ahd any experience with the EMG single coils?
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I haven't. I play mostly blues and jazz so I've tended to stay away from them. I hear good things, though. Especially for high gain.
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or maybe a single soil sized humbucker would be up your alley?


btw hows the v3m?
i was considering getting one but i havent had much luck finding one nearby to test

edit-also ive installed a few emg sa and they do well for high gain very low noise from them
Last edited by supersac at Feb 2, 2013,
LeviMan_2001
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I wanna suggest that the placement of the pickup almost has more to do with picking up pinches than the pickup itself. Notice you'll never get those super high harmonics in the neck pickup? Also (true) humbuckers have wider sensing areas so that lends itself more to honing in on those specific harmonic areas.
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#8
Quote by DESTROYER5000
Change the pickups to dragonfire quad rails they are wound to 23kohms

That is totally unnecessary. Not only are Dragonfire pickups junk, but a higher output doesn't equal pinch harmonics. And on top of that, the ohms a coil is wound to is a terrible indicator of it's output.
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Quote by W4RP1G
That is totally unnecessary. Not only are Dragonfire pickups junk, but a higher output doesn't equal pinch harmonics. And on top of that, the ohms a coil is wound to is a terrible indicator of it's output.

I was told by my grandfather who went to a electronics college and worked at NASA that kohms were fairly accurate for reading output
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Also I played the alexi laiho scythe with the emg after burner and I loved it you could try one of those.
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Quote by DESTROYER5000
I was told by my grandfather who went to a electronics college and worked at NASA that kohms were fairly accurate for reading output

Well, then your grandfather was wrong.

Output is determined by the wire gauge used, magnet type, and pole piece material, as well as the number of winds. Those pickups are probably a fairly high output, because that's what they were made for, but determining that solely based upon the coil resistance is flawed.

But it's all pointless to discuss because buying a super high output pickup to do pinch harmonics is a terrible idea.
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Quote by W4RP1G
Well, then your grandfather was wrong.

Output is determined by the wire gauge used, magnet type, and pole piece material, as well as the number of winds. Those pickups are probably a fairly high output, because that's what they were made for, but determining that solely based upon the coil resistance is flawed.

But it's all pointless to discuss because buying a super high output pickup to do pinch harmonics is a terrible idea.

Your like the knowledgeable guy on here, what college did you go to?
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Your like the knowledgeable guy on here, what college did you go to?

pfft I'm the guy that teaches the colleges.
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pfft I'm the guy that teaches the colleges.

I say that because seem quite intelligent, what do you teach? I'm guessing physics of some sort?
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Quote by supersac
or maybe a single soil sized humbucker would be up your alley?


btw hows the v3m?
i was considering getting one but i havent had much luck finding one nearby to test

edit-also ive installed a few emg sa and they do well for high gain very low noise from them


The V3M is quite amazing. the wattage selector makes it great for practice and gigging.
It's SUPER responsive and the tone of your guitar really comes into play with what sound you'll get.
The first week I was iffy on it, but now I love it.
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Also, I ordered this bridge today:
http://www.warmoth.com/Gotoh-Humbucker-Tele-Bridge-Black-P603.aspx

And a custom pickguard to do away with the neck pick up.
So now, I'll have a humbucker in the bridge.

Now my pickup options are between a Seymour Duncan Blackout ABH-1 and an EMG 81.
I'm leaning towards the EMG, because i need high output, but also some clarity, and EMG 81 usually has more clarity than the standard Blackout.
Opinions?
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LTD EC-1000 Sunburst (jb/'59)
'94 Peavey Reactor EMG loaded
Eleven Rack
Crown XLS1000
Avatar Traditional 2x12
Carvin Neo 2x10 and 1x15
Spaun Drum Kit
Last edited by Musician_Cooter at Feb 5, 2013,
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I had a friend of mine who toght me most of what I know Put a JB Jr in my tele bridge. Now they do not make a Tele JBJR so he modified the pickup by removing the base plate and mounting the JBJr on the original tele base plate. Sounds much better to me than the HR. It cost me $65 to have him do the work (that was 10 yrs ago). I always get complements on how good that Tele sounds live
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Quote by Musician_Cooter
Also, I ordered this bridge today:
http://www.warmoth.com/Gotoh-Humbucker-Tele-Bridge-Black-P603.aspx

And a custom pickguard to do away with the neck pick up.

Now my pickup options are between a Seymour Duncan Blackout ABH-1 and an EMG 81.
I'm leaning towards the EMG, because i need high output, but also some clarity, and EMG 81 usually has more clarity than the standard Blackout.
Opinions?

You ninja'd me

If you want an EMG, get the 81X not the regular 81.
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Quote by Robbgnarly
You ninja'd me

If you want an EMG, get the 81X not the regular 81.


The 81x has a lower output though and less sustain..
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The 81x has a lower output though and less sustain..

But it sounds more natural like a passive does.

If you are playing with a higain amp you really don't need super high output p/u's the amp does that for you, you will just get mushy and muddy really easy if your not really careful.
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Quote by Robbgnarly
But it sounds more natural like a passive does.

If you are playing with a higain amp you really don't need super high output p/u's the amp does that for you, you will just get mushy and muddy really easy if your not really careful.


My V3M isn't super high gain though...
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Try a Seymour Duncan hot rail
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Quote by Musician_Cooter
My V3M isn't super high gain though...

It is in the world of new amps.
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Quote by Musician_Cooter
My V3M isn't super high gain though...

If your goal is to achieve high-gain, then you really should be using something, either an amp or a pedal, to achieve it. Simply adding hotter pickups will not get you there. And when I say high-gain, I don't mean more distortion, I mean a tighter metal sound.
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^+1
Get a boost of somekind like a TS-9/bad Monkey
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Quote by Musician_Cooter
Also, I ordered this bridge today:
http://www.warmoth.com/Gotoh-Humbucker-Tele-Bridge-Black-P603.aspx

And a custom pickguard to do away with the neck pick up.
So now, I'll have a humbucker in the bridge.

Now my pickup options are between a Seymour Duncan Blackout ABH-1 and an EMG 81.
I'm leaning towards the EMG, because i need high output, but also some clarity, and EMG 81 usually has more clarity than the standard Blackout.
Opinions?

Usually, EMG 81s are for neck pickups. That aside, I tend to find Blackouts more clear than EMGs. To me, there's a bit of muddiness with an EMG.

So, I'd go with the Blackout ABH-1.
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Quote by crazysam23_Atax
Usually, EMG 81s are for neck pickups. That aside, I tend to find Blackouts more clear than EMGs. To me, there's a bit of muddiness with an EMG.

So, I'd go with the Blackout ABH-1.

I thought the 81s were for the bridge and the 85s and 60s were for the neck..
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Quote by IronMaiden76
I thought the 81s were for the bridge and the 85s and 60s were for the neck..

They are, though some people do prefer an 81 in the neck and an 85 in the bridge.
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Quote by W4RP1G
They are, though some people do prefer an 81 in the neck and an 85 in the bridge.

Cuz tone is subjective
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Get a boost of somekind like a TS-9/bad Monkey


I've got my heart set on getting a Maxon 808 OD, but I gotta finish up this tele project first. If I sell my Charvel on craigslist I'll be all set to do both. ;D
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Quote by crazysam23_Atax
Usually, EMG 81s are for neck pickups. That aside, I tend to find Blackouts more clear than EMGs. To me, there's a bit of muddiness with an EMG.

So, I'd go with the Blackout ABH-1.


I think I am going with the ABH-1. I was talking to my local guitar tech I use, and he recommended the Blackout because I would get more clarity.
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Quote by Musician_Cooter
I've got my heart set on getting a Maxon 808 OD, but I gotta finish up this tele project first. If I sell my Charvel on craigslist I'll be all set to do both. ;D

Unless you can get one for cheap, don't waist your money on the 808, a TS9 is almost the same for 1/2 the price. Or get a Hardwire CM-2/Green Rhino.
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Quote by IronMaiden76
Cuz tone is subjective

What?! That's the first I've ever heard of this!
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What?! That's the first I've ever heard of this!

Oh shit, I didn't mean to utter such treasonous blasphemy aloud
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Quote by Robbgnarly
Unless you can get one for cheap, don't waist your money on the 808, a TS9 is almost the same for 1/2 the price. Or get a Hardwire CM-2/Green Rhino.


I found a ts808 for $100 locally.
It's that, or save an extra $80 for the maxon od808.
I'm leaning towards the ts
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Quote by Musician_Cooter
I found a ts808 for $100 locally.
It's that, or save an extra $80 for the maxon od808.
I'm leaning towards the ts

the maxon 808 is the same circut as the Ibanez ts808. I think the Maxon is true bypass while the Ibanez is buffered.
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Quote by Robbgnarly
the maxon 808 is the same circut as the Ibanez ts808. I think the Maxon is true bypass while the Ibanez is buffered.


Hmm. We'll I scooped that TS808 today, and while I'm not hearing a big different, I like it so far. I haven't got to toy around with it enough yet.

The tele project shall begin Wednesday, Ideally. Thats when
A. My parts are due to come in.
B. My stain and clear coating will be complete.
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