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shredder3386
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#1
Wow, this is messed up. The guy had his critics but its a shitty way to go. He probably thought being back on US soil would be safe . Cue more stupid ****ing gun control debates.


http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/02/03/iraq-war-veteran-charged-with-murder-of-former-navy-seal-american-sniper-author-chris-kyle-on-texas-gun-range/
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#2
Shitty shit. Badass killed by a dumb****.
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Should I have already known who he was before today?
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Should I have already known who he was before today?

...This....

It's over simplified, So what!

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#6
who?
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okay, so a military sniper was shot and died. okay.
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shredder3386
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#9
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who?


He was the most dangerous sniper in US history. He wrote a book that has been on the best seller list in North America for some time. I assume he isn't well known overseas. Im Canadian, but I still found his story pretty interesting.
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Horrible writing, I assure you.

Could be both, but at the very least, the author sucks.
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Sounds like a solid guy. R.I.P.
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I had to read that introductory paragraph three times to figure out what was going on

either i'm tired as shit or that writer sucks at not sucking

A 25-year-old Iraq war veteran charged with murdering former Navy SEAL and “American Sniper” author Chris Kyle and his friend turned his semi-automatic handgun onto the pair while they were at a Texas shooting range, authorities said Sunday.

Naw dude, that's some bad journalism.
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He was the most dangerous sniper in US history. He wrote a book that has been on the best seller list in North America for some time. I assume he isn't well known overseas. Im Canadian, but I still found his story pretty interesting.



oh...

RIP man, Snipers are cool.
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Naw dude, that's some bad journalism.

+1. Does anybody if the author of this article plans on visiting any gun ranges in the near future.
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#16
What world do we live in to honor someone who kills people as a hero?

He who lives by the sword will die by the sword.
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shredder3386
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What world do we live in to honor someone who kills people as a hero?

He who lives by the sword will die by the sword.


Fair enough. Although I'd counter with the fact that 99% of video games and movies portray someone who kills people as a hero. Not to mention cops who sometimes have to kill to protect, or just the troops in general who fought so others didn't have to (not even mentioning "new wars." Think about WWI and WWII). If we could all live peacefully and run through flowers that'd be great but sadly we don't live in that world.
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Quote by shredder3386
Fair enough. Although I'd counter with the fact that 99% of video games and movies portray someone who kills people as a hero. Not to mention cops who sometimes have to kill to protect, or just the troops in general who fought so others didn't have to (not even mentioning "new wars." Think about WWI and WWII). If we could all live peacefully and run through flowers that'd be great but sadly we don't live in that world.


Wait, are you comparing life to video games and movies?

To be fair, blue-eyed pacifism won't get us anywhere, and I'm not against war generally.

But we often forget one thing: this man did not score "150 kills...holy shit". He took the life of 150 brothers, fathers and sons who fought for no higher or lesser cause than he did.
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#23
Spreading Islam and car bombing crowded market places is definitely a lesser cause than his. The insurgents werent good people by any means. They were thugs and murderes, the sickest of any kind. Willing to murder scores of people just because of being apart of a different sect.
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shredder3386
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#24
Quote by ErnestoFidel
Wait, are you comparing life to video games and movies?

To be fair, blue-eyed pacifism won't get us anywhere, and I'm not against war generally.

But we often forget one thing: this man did not score "150 kills...holy shit". He took the life of 150 brothers, fathers and sons who fought for no higher or lesser cause than he did.


I wasn't comparing video games/movies to real life to show similarities, but rather to illustrate that we live in a world that praises people who kill as heroes which you seemed to find completely unheard of. Obviously you can look at it from the other side, as there are always two sides to every conflict. However if it came between shooting someone who was trying to kill me and my friends and letting him shoot us instead the choice seems pretty obvious. No one is saying the people he killed shouldn't get sympathy.
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#25
Shredder, the question then becomes why would you insert yourself in a position in which you and your friends lives were in danger?

Military service is completely voluntary (at the moment) so the 'kill or be killed' argument falls a bit short.

It would only be relevant if there was conscription.

Furthermore, there are plenty of military roles that consist of making attacks without much risk of being attacked, like drone operators. They are in no immediate danger.

/devil's advocate
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shredder3386
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#26
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Shredder, the question then becomes why would you insert yourself in a position in which you and your friends lives were in danger?

Military service is completely voluntary (at the moment) so the 'kill or be killed' argument falls a bit short.

It would only be relevant if there was conscription.

Furthermore, there are plenty of military roles that consist of making attacks without much risk of being attacked, like drone operators. They are in no immediate danger.

/devil's advocate


Agreed,although my example was hypothetical. People's reasons for joining the military may differ. Sure there are people who might join just to see some action, but lots of others join to protect and serve their country. Not to mention with the shitty economy it very well be the only job some people can get. No one wants to be put in a kill or be killed position (cops especially have no control over this) but depending on your line of work it happens. Before the "why doesn't everyone just stop fighting card?" is pulled you can be assured the minute you lay down your arms someone else will take them up. People have to be in those roles, therefore the kill-or-be-killed situation happens whether we agree with it or not.
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Agreed, mostly. However, the conflicts in Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam, etc. are not defensive but offensive. They cannot be fairly characterised as necessary to America's survival.

It is true that there are people who are disadvantaged or underprivileged, and join the military for the benefits it offers. However, that doesn't justify their actions in a moral sense. (if we're to say killing is always wrong, an opinion I don't necessarily hold)

On the assumption that killing is wrong, a soldier who has been compelled to enlist by poverty is like a robber who steals jewlery to feed his kids. Understandable? Yes. Excusable? No.

still playing devil's advocate in case anyone gets the wrong idea.
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#28
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What world do we live in to honor someone who kills people as a hero?

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#30
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Agreed, mostly. However, the conflicts in Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam, etc. are not defensive but offensive. They cannot be fairly characterised as necessary to America's survival.

It is true that there are people who are disadvantaged or underprivileged, and join the military for the benefits it offers. However, that doesn't justify their actions in a moral sense. (if we're to say killing is always wrong, an opinion I don't necessarily hold)

On the assumption that killing is wrong, a soldier who has been compelled to enlist by poverty is like a robber who steals jewlery to feed his kids. Understandable? Yes. Excusable? No.

still playing devil's advocate in case anyone gets the wrong idea.


True, although by equating a robber stealing jewelry to someone joining the military you are suggesting they are morally the same which is untrue. The act of stealing is wrong, whereas the act of enlisting in the military isn't. You cant assume everyone who joins the Military will kill someone because many, many soldiers do not. It can be like any other job. Its just something that has the possibility to happen. Therefore saying its morally inexcusable to want a career in the military sector is unfair.
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#31
To survive 4 tours in Iraq only to be killed once you've returned home. By someone he was trying to help nonetheless.
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#32
so let me get this straight.

He had a weapon to hand, he was trained to be effective with it, and he still got killed?

Obviously he needed more guns.
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#33
It's hard to defend yourself when you're looking the other way.
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#34
Was it a head shot?
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you mean more guns wouldn't have helped?

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#37
He killed 150 people, yet himself could only be killed once.

For now, at least... *whirls cape and goes into secret basement lab*