#1
Im not looking to spend to much, but I'd also like a quality mic that lasts me a long while. You guys know of any?
#6
@Skynyrd im thinking like 50-60 bucks maximum. Im pretty damn broke.
@theogonia i think you linked me to the wrong site, its like audio software and sounds?
And thanks so far folks ill look at all the suggestions
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#7
Tr to find a used Shure SM57. Things are rugged as all hell.
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#9
Quote by xdullahan
@theogonia i think you linked me to the wrong site, its like audio software and sounds?


Nope, I definitely linked you to the right site.
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#11
Quote by crazysam23_Atax
NO! BAD! Those are better for recording instruments.

OT:
Try reposting this thread in the recording forums. You'll get better answers. I've had a lot of help from those guys.
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=40

Be sure to read the stickies though.

http://www.shure.com/americas/products/microphones/sm/sm58-vocal-microphone
not the sm58
#12
Quote by RPGoof

True. But even so...he'd be MUCH better served by going to the recordings forum. Let TS move it there please.

Quote by ChucklesMginty
The SM58 is a vocal mic...

And yes, if you're on a budget it's probably your best bet. Tried and true.

Tried and true doesn't mean it'll sound good for TS's voice.
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#13
Quote by crazysam23_Atax
NO! BAD! Those are better for recording instruments.

OT:
Try reposting this thread in the recording forums. You'll get better answers. I've had a lot of help from those guys.
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=40

Be sure to read the stickies though.


Well, normally you'd use a large diaphram condenser mic for vocals, but he did say 50-60 bucks. Maybe you can get a used LDC for about that little, but I'm not sure even then would it sound better than an SM57 or SM58. Halfway decent LDCs tend to start at around $150 and good ones start around $300. From there you can go up to $7,000 easy without much noticeable difference.
#14
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Budget of $50-60? No microphone in that price range is 'good' for anything, apart from being an expensive hammer or paperweight, I suppose.


Also, for the guy claiming the '58 is a better vocal mic than the '57, they're exactly the same thing albeit with a different windshield. If you remove the bubble windshield from a '58 you have pretty much the same mic in your hand, but without the plastic flares on the side, and without a protective cover for the diaphragm.

Neither are great for recording vocals, albeit in specific situations - this may be one of them, but I'd much rather have a decent LDC for tracking vocals in general with.
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#15
i can do 100 because Im realizing I wasn't being sensible and am very ignorant in mics, but I simply cant afford to go higher than that.

And yeah, am I missing something here? Im new.
#16
Quote by xdullahan
i can do 100 because Im realizing I wasn't being sensible and am very ignorant in mics, but I simply cant afford to go higher than that.

And yeah, am I missing something here? Im new.

Well, for $100 I believe you can get an AT2020 if you look for B-stock or used items (check eBay and stores ex-demo offers etc.). That would be much better than using an SM58.


Also, if you mean why are people not being quite so friendly, we have a Recording forum here which is the sort of place you could go and ask this (in our Official Chat Thread) and get answers from a higher ratio of people who actually record this sort of thing, to people who have a microphone lying around to mess around with or make quick guitar demos with.
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#17
Quote by xdullahan
i can do 100 because Im realizing I wasn't being sensible and am very ignorant in mics, but I simply cant afford to go higher than that.

And yeah, am I missing something here? Im new.



Yeah, you better step it up to 100, because if you buy a 60 dollar mic, I promise you'll want to replace it within hours. Go for an SM58.


Quote by DisarmGoliath
Well, for $100 I believe you can get an AT2020 if you look for B-stock or used items (check eBay and stores ex-demo offers etc.). That would be much better than using an SM58.



This is also good advice, but always be cautious when purchasing used musical equipment.
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#18
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Look Sam, I'm kinda drunk so I can't really be bothered to argue. But you're an asshole.

Chuckles, why you gotta be like that?

@TS:
Listen to DisarmGoliath; he really knows what he's talking about.
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#21
SM58/57 work for live vocals, not so much for recording. If you're wondering why that is, think about how much you can usually understand the vocals at a concert. The quality of the mic is a lot less important live because everything is just sorta a shitstorm of noise.
#22
Quote by crazysam23_Atax
@TS:
Listen to DisarmGoliath; he really knows what he's talking about.

Quote by StewieSwan

This is also good advice, but always be cautious when purchasing used musical equipment.



Of course, you should always make sure you buy from a reputable seller (in the case of eBay, check the feedback score and make sure they have 97-100% feedback, and from selling as well as buying (some scam merchants will make an account and buy lots of cheap things to get their feedback score high before selling fake goods). If possible, bid on items that have individual photos of the item, instead of just a stock picture from the manufacturer website (unless it is a trusted store you're buying from).
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#23
Okay, so look for an at2020 on eBay and if that fails, resort to an SM58? So even if it's used it won't suffer quality? (assuming it was well taken care of, of course.)
And that makes sense, I apologize. I didn't mean to disrespect and thank you for all of the info even though I'm making annoying mistakes. It's all very appreciated.

Edit:Actually, It looks like the at2020 is the same price new as the SM58. So just go with that?
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#24
It's ok, we understand that not everybody uses message boards often and knows the workings etc.

Anyway, before you jump in to buy the AT2020, what are you going to be plugging it into? Because all condenser mics need phantom power to run, apart from the few that also accept 9V battery power, so if you don't already have an audio interface or USB mixer which will power the mic (and bypass your computer's stock sound card, which are always dreadful) you will be better off looking for the AT2020 USB, which allows you to use the mic as its own audio interface and will give you the best quality.

It may be hard to find used, but it will save you money on buying an audio interface. That being said, as you haven't given quite enough information for us to be spot on, if you plan on also using the microphone live/for band rehearsals, the SM58 will be better suited for that purpose and will give passable quality for recordings.
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#25
I would only use it to record my vocals. And thanks for the tip, shit I would have never figured that out. It looks like I'm looking for the AT2020USB then. Thanks folks, you guys rock
#26
No problem, expect the USB version to cost a little bit more (most likely) but if you don't have some form of audio interface, you will not be able to use most microphones with any quality as they all require some form of preamp to boost their signal. The average computer soundcard doesn't have a microphone preamp, so making the signal louder in any recording program would just add lots and lots of hiss and noise, and give you nasty feedback when recording.
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#29
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Shure SM58S or SM57.


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#30
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This guy knows whats up.

No. Just no. We've already been through that.


Anyway, I'm about to go to bed so not going to debate this - feel free to disagree, but TS has already read all the opinions/advice and made up his mind.
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#31
Quote by DisarmGoliath
...Also, for the guy claiming the '58 is a better vocal mic than the '57, they're exactly the same thing albeit with a different windshield. If you remove the bubble windshield from a '58 you have pretty much the same mic in your hand, but without the plastic flares on the side, and without a protective cover for the diaphragm...



Not sure who you're refering to there about vocal vs. instrument with these mics, but as I'm sure you know that the "bubble windshield" in the '58 is there for a reason. In Shure's own words it, "minimizes wind and breath 'pop' noise." That wouldn't help you at all for recording instruments. Also, if you look at the spec sheets, the frequency response curves are close, but not identical. They're off by up to several dB in a few places on the curve. I have one of each, and use them interchangebly for live and scratch track vocals, but I haven't bothered with the '58 for instruments.

I've seen some dive bars mic cabs w/SM58s and it works, but it looked tacky as hell, and was an instant preview of their lack of professionalism.

My point is only that it's very common to use SM57s for vocals (mainly live), but reletively uncommon to use SM58s for instruments. But I agree with you he'd be much better off with an LDC.
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#32
I'm pretty surprised at the amount of actual answers the first few posts

I was gonna suggest using the mic from a psp or a broken laptop to get the same effect... but shit... li... I'll just let you whores be civil without me
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#33
Musicians friend has condenser microphones go on their stupid deal of the day quite often (once a month or so) for usually about 50 bucks.
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#34
Quote by Danjo's Guitar
SM58/57 work for live vocals, not so much for recording. If you're wondering why that is, think about how much you can usually understand the vocals at a concert. The quality of the mic is a lot less important live because everything is just sorta a shitstorm of noise.


Well, that's part of it, but begs the question, "Why don't they use large diaphram condenser mics for live vocals?"

And the answer is that since LDCs are so much more sensitive, they also tend to have more problems with feedback in most rock concert settings. There are some high-end small diaphram condensers used live, though. They have other pros and cons that keep them from being the norm. Cost and lack of durability are two of the biggest reasons.
#35
lol @ SM57 for recording vocals

...modes and scales are still useless.


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#36
Quote by Rawshik
Musicians friend has condenser microphones go on their stupid deal of the day quite often (once a month or so) for usually about 50 bucks.


I've been checking the Stupid Deal of the Day almost daily for the last 3-4 years, and yeah, they do sell a lot of LDCs for about $50, but every one I've seen there fits into the category of what DisarmGoliath said about $50-60 mics. Occasionally the Stupid Deal is stupid from MF's perspective, but usually it's stupid from the customer perspective--lots of junk.
#37
ITT: Everyone says to get an SM57/58 because it's the only mic they know.