bdog1099
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hey, i've been playing bass for about 6 years now and i need a couple of really hard and challenging FUNK songs to play, last year for a school assessment i played pulling teeth - Metallica, all around the world - RHCP, and new born - muse. i found them easy and un challenging (pulling teeth was a slightly challenging). (btw, im only 16). i need some names of some really hard and challenging songs which are funky and can be played on a 5-string bass (which unfortunately means no dirty loops ).
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Primus? Not exactly funk, but certainly uses all the techniques, and if you like Metallica, u'd likely like their older, heavier stuff...for the 5 string check in particular out My Name is Mud...has a wonderful percussive Mute riff, but yeah, most Primus songs are fun and challenging to play!
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hey, i'm not actually to keen on metallica, as i actually find it to heavy for me, and any primus songs imperticular? cause i've looked into a couple of songs by them and found them to easy. and when i say funky, i mean like dirty loops' cover of baby. i was gonna do that song but unfortunately i do not have access to a 6-string bass
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DUDE, that sounds mint. i remember one of ma old bass teachers playin a riff from that song and then teaching me the chicken. that is the sorta funk i want. and u said bout getting things up to speed... im used to playing songs like the trooper by iron maiden and faster. do u know any other songs like that? and maybe even a couple of slap pieces? maybe one less repeditive
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Jaco's stuff is always fairly complex, or at least difficult, so check out some of his stuff. His cover of blackbird is ridiculous. Opus Pocus is a challenge even at slow tempoes.
You might be interested in some jazz fusion bands like Weather Report, Mahavishnu Orchestra and Return to Forever. Also check out Tower of Power, Francis Rocco Prestia is one of the best fingerstyle funk players there is. Only so much oil in the ground is a good one and What is Hip is a classic.
I've never been too into slap myself, but Marcus Miller and Victor Wooten should keep you occupied for a while. Also listen to a lot of James Brown. He had a ridiculous lineup of musicians during his career.
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Quote by bdog1099
hey, i'm not actually to keen on metallica, as i actually find it to heavy for me, and any primus songs imperticular? cause i've looked into a couple of songs by them and found them to easy. and when i say funky, i mean like dirty loops' cover of baby. i was gonna do that song but unfortunately i do not have access to a 6-string bass


In terms of Primus, how about DMV? lots of tapping that can be done on a 5 string

Tommy the Cat is always a classic, for which you will need a good mute technique, ditto Lacquer head, especially the mute solo he rips out after the first chorus!
Speghetti Western has a great groove that trades with the drums? To Defy the laws of tradition works most techniques including slapping and tapping.
Damned Blue Collar Tweekers has an excellent bass solo, some really fast finger work needed for it, certainly a challenge! When you say you find them easy, what songs have you tried? Dyu kind of play along to the track, or straight up on ur own? Playing along often covers up a lot of mistakes you're making! This isn't a criticism or anything, but I've never met a bassist who cays Claypool's work is "Too easy"
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Quote by skippy_moogoose
In terms of Primus, how about DMV? lots of tapping that can be done on a 5 string

Tommy the Cat is always a classic, for which you will need a good mute technique, ditto Lacquer head, especially the mute solo he rips out after the first chorus!
Speghetti Western has a great groove that trades with the drums? To Defy the laws of tradition works most techniques including slapping and tapping.
Damned Blue Collar Tweekers has an excellent bass solo, some really fast finger work needed for it, certainly a challenge! When you say you find them easy, what songs have you tried? Dyu kind of play along to the track, or straight up on ur own? Playing along often covers up a lot of mistakes you're making! This isn't a criticism or anything, but I've never met a bassist who cays Claypool's work is "Too easy"


i play straight up, with maybe a live drummer backing me. i might practise with the track but when i perform and that, i dont have anything else but a live drummer and guitarist, if that.
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I agree with Skippy. I am sure you have worked hard at getting good, but if after 6 years you thinks all of this stuff is "Too easy" you are whether missing something that you are not hearing, or need an ego deflation. I'm not nagging you, I remember when i was 17 or so. I thought I was the greatest. To me it seems the older I get my skills become more and more average and typical. I am not all that
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get some tm stevens up in this shit. not the most insanely difficult stuff to play on earth, but i find it suitably challenging to remain fun
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If you want a challenge try some Stuart Zender stuff from his time in Jamiroquai. Music of the mind, Just another story and both versions of Space cowboy would do the trick.
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If you want something really tough, try Hit Me With Your Rhythm Stick by Ian Dury and the Blockheads.

Guy Pratt is a good mate of mine and he reckons this is one of the greatest and toughest basslines ever. And Guy is not the worst bassist around.
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Quote by christianonbass
I agree with Skippy. I am sure you have worked hard at getting good, but if after 6 years you thinks all of this stuff is "Too easy" you are whether missing something that you are not hearing, or need an ego deflation. I'm not nagging you, I remember when i was 17 or so. I thought I was the greatest. To me it seems the older I get my skills become more and more average and typical. I am not all that



i get where you are coming from, but unfortunatly i am one of those complete ass holes who actually does find it easy, and i get all my music from ultimate guitar and use that unless it sounds way different from the song, and btw, the first song i ever played on bass was living on a preyer, and that was cause i lied about playing bass. since then i have been doin a fair bit of practise and goin through bass teacher after bass teacher. my last bass teacher even admited that the only thing he could teach me was soloing stuff and the theory side of stuff
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James Jamerson
/thread

But really, transcribe some of Janek Gwizdala's solos on the albums "Live at 55 bar" and "The space between"
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Quote by bdog1099
i get where you are coming from, but unfortunatly i am one of those complete ass holes who actually does find it easy, and i get all my music from ultimate guitar and use that unless it sounds way different from the song, and btw, the first song i ever played on bass was living on a preyer, and that was cause i lied about playing bass. since then i have been doin a fair bit of practise and goin through bass teacher after bass teacher. my last bass teacher even admited that the only thing he could teach me was soloing stuff and the theory side of stuff



Sounds like you need life lessons kiddo, not music lessons a this point.

Get out of your bedroom, go **** girls, have your heart broken, get in trouble with the law... do the things all those musicians who wrote "easy" music fit into their schedule, something you haven't mastered yet. You'll hear this in your improvising and music, the rest of your life, much more than sterile exercises you learned to brag on a message board, or just looking up songs that people transcribed. Transcribe the music yourself if it's so easy, haha.

You're a virtuoso eh? Sing then. You're just a bass player until you can sing in time, and in harmony with your bass playing.

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skippy_moogoose
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Sounds like you need life lessons kiddo, not music lessons a this point.

Get out of your bedroom, go **** girls, have your heart broken, get in trouble with the law... do the things all those musicians who wrote "easy" music fit into their schedule, something you haven't mastered yet. You'll hear this in your improvising and music, the rest of your life, much more than sterile exercises you learned to brag on a message board, or just looking up songs that people transcribed. Transcribe the music yourself if it's so easy, haha.

You're a virtuoso eh? Sing then. You're just a bass player until you can sing in time, and in harmony with your bass playing.

The internet should be 18+


Although this may be coming off as a little brash, I kinda get what's trying to be said here...if everything we suggest is "Too easy", then go write something that isn't! Learn to transcribe, and how to write songs, rather than a piece of music that shows how awesome a player you are!
The way you've written some of your posts reads as a tad arrogant, and a fair few of us on here are old timers and we can get rubbed up the wrong way, which makes us less helpful. Take some time to consider exactly what you want to say, and make sure you put it in a courteous way! Not trying to dig at you tho man, please don't take it like that, just some forum advice.

Watched your video, nice tone, good line, but I'm not hearing anything that's blowing me away or suggesting you're more than a well versed or above average player. At your age mind you, that's great, and you say you play a lot with a live drummer which will take you further quicker and give you a greater understanding of groove, so keep on doing that. If you think the Primus studio stuff I've suggested is still "Too easy", watch some live footage, there's a full rip of Hallicinogenetics and a very good HD rip of a Red Rocks show from a couple of years ago that you could watch, learn from and transcribe. As has been suggested, try singing and playing at the same time! Try writing lyrics or something, maybe even pick up a guitar as well? These are some of the things I started doing when I repicked up a bass and they've all helped me be a) more creative and b) a better all round musician. That's not to say I'm anything special, I would in fact say I'm below average, But I have my own co-ordination problems and hey, I'm just happy playing! Which is afterall what matters right?
Anyway's, long enough wall of text, sorry about the ramble, and have fun on this here forum!
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Quote by lokimogun
Sounds like you need life lessons kiddo, not music lessons a this point.

Get out of your bedroom, go **** girls, have your heart broken, get in trouble with the law... do the things all those musicians who wrote "easy" music fit into their schedule, something you haven't mastered yet. You'll hear this in your improvising and music, the rest of your life, much more than sterile exercises you learned to brag on a message board, or just looking up songs that people transcribed. Transcribe the music yourself if it's so easy, haha.

You're a virtuoso eh? Sing then. You're just a bass player until you can sing in time, and in harmony with your bass playing.

The internet should be 18+


I like this post.
Having all the chops in the world only means as much as what music you can make with them. There are guys with much less than me in terms of knowing their way around their instrument, but I ENVY their musicality so much.

And he's right about Having your heart broken, breaking the law, blah blah. Colorful life experiences transfer over to your playing. especially the painful ones.

Another thing to be able to do (which poster above alluded to) is being able to improvise something while singing it much like the player in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae2CTHdQZMg

What he hears in his head, he's able to sing while simultaneously playing the notes.
Try singing a solo, recording your voice and then transcribing that. That will teach you much more about being a musician than playing through a Dixie Dregs album.


But if all you want to do is replicate things people have already done (which is fine, we all have our own reasons for doing music) then like I said in the previous post, Janek Gwizdala, Dixie Dregs, The Magic Elf, James Jamerson, Scott Lafaro (Bill Evans Trio), Heernt are good places to start.
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Fudger that's a sweet video, love it.

Look kid, I'm not as old or experienced as many people on this forum (and I admit it), but I've been on this rodeo a hell lot longer than you. And I've got to tell you, there is a distinct difference between playing the notes of a Primus song and playing a Primus song, that difference is called Taste and Experience. Both of which you do not have, judging by your video.
I saw your video. Pretty good, half past decent. Nothing more. I am not bashing you.

I'd recommend expanding styles and theory, remember that experienced bassist have such a fine sense for taste and groove that they can make basslines with 3 o 4 notes. (example: Papa Was A Rolling Stone). Luck.
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Yeah I found it on no treble a while ago and thought it was pretty gnarly.

But really bass isn't always about playing the hardest line. Its about what compliments the other instruments and brings a track to life sometimes. A four note groove sometimes fits better than runs all over the place. There is a time and place for flaahy lines and runs. Look at the version of echos by pink floyd from the live at pompii. Roger water plays a very beautiful groove with pretty much two notes. Once you grow up musically you will this out. If all you want to do is be a flamboyant player and always want the spot light go play guitar.

Edit for reference
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=646KtkEcPm8
go to 6:25 for the part I was talking about
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bdog1099
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Quote by lokimogun
Sounds like you need life lessons kiddo, not music lessons a this point.

Get out of your bedroom, go **** girls, have your heart broken, get in trouble with the law... do the things all those musicians who wrote "easy" music fit into their schedule, something you haven't mastered yet. You'll hear this in your improvising and music, the rest of your life, much more than sterile exercises you learned to brag on a message board, or just looking up songs that people transcribed. Transcribe the music yourself if it's so easy, haha.

You're a virtuoso eh? Sing then. You're just a bass player until you can sing in time, and in harmony with your bass playing.

The internet should be 18+


get in trouble with the law??? LOL been there done that. i've been in trouble with law, i've been kicked from 3 schools. i've done all that, ok? (except im the one who broke their heart) and btw, i can sing in tune, i'm in a barber shop quartet at school just cause 2 of the guys in it can beatbox. i pretty much NEVER practise cause im never in my room. u wanna make internet 18+? well u should make it by maturity so that ******s like you cant come on. and also, for the asignment, im not allowed to do any original pieces. thats the point of the assessment. it is about accuracy and musicianship. so go **** yourself and get a ****ing life u over grown ape
bdog1099
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about the not needing a song to have many notes and all that,
unfortunatly the point of the assessment isn't about that, that i find easier to find songs for. the point of my assessment is to show accuracy and musicianship while playing 2 songs at a certain grade or higher, problam is, i actually like pushing what style of playing i can do, slap bass probably being my worst atm, so i wanted a hard funk slap bass line to test me technically. new zealand has shit standards at school.

i get wat u mean by the playing notes of a primus song and actually playing a primus song. that was the sorta thing my first bass teacher explained to me. unfortunatly he then left for ausi to play in a pretty successful band there
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Quote by fudger
Yeah I found it on no treble a while ago and thought it was pretty gnarly.

But really bass isn't always about playing the hardest line. Its about what compliments the other instruments and brings a track to life sometimes. A four note groove sometimes fits better than runs all over the place. There is a time and place for flaahy lines and runs. Look at the version of echos by pink floyd from the live at pompii. Roger water plays a very beautiful groove with pretty much two notes. Once you grow up musically you will this out. If all you want to do is be a flamboyant player and always want the spot light go play guitar.

Edit for reference
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=646KtkEcPm8
go to 6:25 for the part I was talking about



HELL NO. im never playing guitar (even if i play clasical style). i picked up bass cause i lied and i will stick to it. i love bass and i don't care if people always look at guitar cause they take the spot light, ima try change that so people see bass in the spotlight to.
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Calm down. We're not telling you to go **** yourself. We're trying to give you advice. No need to act like a badass. You just end up looking like an idiot. Also, don't boast about not practicing. If you don't practice, there's no chance in hell that you actually can play Primus songs.
As far as further suggestions go:

1. Don't limit yourself to only playing bass. My advice would be to learn as many instruments you can. Playing keys won't make you a better bass player, it'll make you a better musician. Learning to play drums won't help you with playing bass immediately. It will however give you a much better understanding of rhythm.
2. Drop the ego. No serious musician is ever going to work with you. This is not an opinion, this is fact.
3. I have no reason to not believe that you're as good as you say you are. Just make sure that you're as good as you say you are. I've seen too many players over estimate their abilities and then end up way over their heads with a piece they have to learn.
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Quote by beer bear
If you don't practice, there's no chance in hell that you actually can play Primus songs.

+1 (as well as the rest of the post)

even with practicing there is a certain amount of 'being les claypool' that is needed :P:
for me, american life is a prime example of this. i can play it 'my way' but as soon as i try and do it with the same strumming pattern as les everything goes to pot and sounds like arse.
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Quote by moody git
+1 (as well as the rest of the post)

even with practicing there is a certain amount of 'being les claypool' that is needed :P:
for me, american life is a prime example of this. i can play it 'my way' but as soon as i try and do it with the same strumming pattern as les everything goes to pot and sounds like arse.


Perfect example...I can play the strumming pattern, get the rhythm the same, hell, even sing it and play it, but that constant low G slap he has on every gosh darn beat whilst doing all that? Not a chance!
That's what I'm trying to get at here...and no offence OP, but writing a 3 post long diatribe involving cussing, boasting about not practising and once again trying to come across as the bee's knees and trying to hold the maturity high ground makes you look pretty silly!
Firstly it breaks forum rules on double posting (excusable in the right circumstances but we have an edit button for a reason), secondly, the fact you resort to insults and cussing questions your maturity, especially as, being as these are typed conversations with no time limit whatsoever you have the chance to be as well written and eloquent as you like and thirdly the fact you state along the lines of never wanting to pick up another instrument because you want to be in the spotlight on bass says to me that you don't want to be a musician or even a bass player per se, you want to show off, that's all!
Part of that I guess is age, but please heed this advice, I was like you, never wanted to play anything but bass, and figured I was the Sh*t!! Turns out I'm not, and my bass playing, in particular my time keeping and groove has improved so much by picking up a guitar!! I have a better appreciation of instrumental dynamics, and what can do which in song, and all this happened without me even realising!
Don't talk to us about breaking girls hearts or being in trouble with the law, msot of us here are in our mid 20's +, we've been wheelers, dealers, conners, artists, lovers, band leaders, druggies, thugs, the lot, we don't care, it's not a competition, and if it was, you haven't a chance of winning, and that applies to music as well! Here's a hard truth: You're NOT gonna be a rock star! There, I said it, especially as a bass player, even if you get into a good band, who get lucky, get signed and such, in the 21st century, true rock starts don't exist, your 40 years to late, and even if they did, you really think magazines and stuff want to talk to the freakin' bass player?
nope...
So, take a serious look at yourself, and please, have a good long think, you come across as having a guitarist mentality, that's not a bad thing btw! You also come across as very young and a tad rude, again, not bad, and I'm not criticising, but it's how you're being seen from an outside perspective! You say you love bass, that's great, learn to play in the damn pocket and to be the glue! Go listen to James Jamerson, Duck Dunn and other old school bass players! Don't think about solo's, or slap licks, or triplets, or strumming! Learn how to drive a song with no-one even noticing you're there, but sure as hell noticing when you're not! THAT is a bass player's mentality!
I realise I may be coming across as rude myself here, and a little harsh! I apologise! There's no inflexion in typing, and ideally, I'd love to sit down over a drink with you and explain this...but that's never gonna happen, so this will have to do!
Wall of text over!
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Well usually once you get past everyone elses music, that's when you write your own music.

I mean you can always learn a new instrument....and make a solo album.
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Quote by bdog1099
i get where you are coming from, but unfortunatly i am one of those complete ass holes who actually does find it easy, and i get all my music from ultimate guitar and use that unless it sounds way different from the song, and btw, the first song i ever played on bass was living on a preyer, and that was cause i lied about playing bass. since then i have been doin a fair bit of practise and goin through bass teacher after bass teacher. my last bass teacher even admited that the only thing he could teach me was soloing stuff and the theory side of stuff


You know what? I have been playing the guitar for 20 odd years.

I hate people judging my playing, I consider I am absolutely crap but others say different.

As most people who know me know, David Gilmour is my idol. He is one of the simplest players in the world. Nothing difficult, nothing fancy, all pretty much staight ahead minor pent with a few bells and whistles.

That is until you start living his playing...then you realise just how much goes into one bend, just how amazing and difficult to copy his finger and whammy vibrato are (just listen to the 1st solo notes of Echoes from Gdansk- easy to play badly, so difficult to play well as he does, bends are 4ths and 5ths with HUGE vibrato, sniper accuracy and amazing phrasing on them.) There are a number of bends he's performed live that I don't even know how to begin to replicate- because the devil is in the detail

Then you get to his tone, arguably the greatest of all guitarists. I have wasted THOUSANDS trying to get close, forgetting of course that he'll sound just more like him with 3 Boss pedals and a Roland Cube than I will with Hiwatts and a full Pete Cornish rig, simply because the tone is in his fingers, not in the gear.

Whilst I still love his tone and playing, I now try to develop my own tone and style, but do it through influences (and he remains no 1 , but others such as Bonamassa, Sambora, Kossoff, Buckingham also are big influences for me).

David is who is is because of the accessibility of his solo's, how he PLAYS THE SONG not the guitar (I bet I could whistle 90% of his solo's- how many players can you say that for?) and the fact you can probably get 75% to most after a year of playing. However, the missing 25% might take you 20 years to nail.

Anyway, my point is, just because you think you've gotten close, be less arrogant (sorry - I am being blunt), and instead be modest and be hypercritical. Really analyse the nuances of your playing and of your influence's playing.....as an example, listen to Guy Pratt's amazing sense of timing and space; listen to the speed and power of Entwhistle, listen to the rumble and raw aggression of JJ Burnel, listen to the unmatchable groove of Bernard Edwards and nail their technique and how they play the MUSIC and the SONG, learn how players like Guy and Bernard sit 'in the pocket' and hold a band together.

THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAIL.

;-)
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