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#121
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The Queen isn't really relevant to this in any way, shape or form

Did you just diss the queen's shape and form? i'll bang u m8 i swear
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I swear this guy in particular writes for the telegraph or some shit.

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#122
i like to think everyone would agree that if something saves lives it's more important than something which is pretty much mostly symbolic
yes, but something that saves more lives is more important than something that will 'only' save the lives of gay people.

Why bother spending money on gay sex ed when we could put it towards saving millions of children in Africa?
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Quote by element4433
Yeah. people, like Lemoninfluence, are hypocrites and should have all their opinions invalidated from here on out.
#123
Quote by Hydra150
Dude, there's Islamist terrorists plotting against us, why are you spending time trying to help starving kids in Africa?
Why do you think I'm plotting terrorism against you? Exactly...
#124
Quote by Lemoninfluence
yes, but something that saves more lives is more important than something that will 'only' save the lives of gay people.

Why bother spending money on gay sex ed when we could put it towards saving millions of children in Africa?

why not spend money on both? [obvi more money would go to Africa, given the scale of that problem]
#125
Quote by Lemoninfluence
yes, but something that saves more lives is more important than something that will 'only' save the lives of gay people.

Why bother spending money on gay sex ed when we could put it towards saving millions of children in Africa?

They're making more Africans every day.
#126
Quote by ErikLensherr
Did you just diss the queen's shape and form? i'll bang u m8 i swear


Actually the Queen's shape and form is rather arousing
#127
Quote by Tsar66
why not spend money on both? [obvi more money would go to Africa, given the scale of that problem]

I thought we could only concentrate on one thing at a time?
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Quote by element4433
Yeah. people, like Lemoninfluence, are hypocrites and should have all their opinions invalidated from here on out.
#129
Can we just settle this before it continues/escalates unnecessarily?

Lemon recognises that gay-marriage is not the most important issue in the world, not necessarily even within the LGBT.

The Tsar recognises that multitasking is possible.

There, done, now spend the liberated time saving african children, ******s. :3
#130
Quote by Tsar66
i didn't say that. can you even read or do you just get yr fun spouting glib arguments over the internet?

So then what exactly was your point?

You seem to be telling gay rights supporters that money should be spent on gay sex ed. And without saying anything else the only obvious conclusion to be drawn is that you're suggesting we should be doing it instead of going forward with gay marriage.

That's what I've been basing my responses on.

If I'm wrong about your meaning, please enlighten me.
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Quote by element4433
Yeah. people, like Lemoninfluence, are hypocrites and should have all their opinions invalidated from here on out.
#131
Personally, I can't see why this is such a big issue. There's still an economic crisis to deal with as a priority.
Non-heterosexuals can still have Civil Partnerships, which are as legally binding as marriage, and have the same protections and rules applying. It's effectively a change of the name that appears to be desired. I should point out in that case that ~marriage~ is between a man and a woman. That's part of the definition of it. So, personally, I'm not supporting this bill going through, because as far as I can see, it changes very little, other than opening up litigation.

On that note, it is the old "slippery slope" argument. The ECHR will undoubtedly be called in at some point, as it always is when it has no right over our legal system, and will probably rule that it is discrimination that some church or other refuses to "marry" a gay couple, even though it would be discrimination and offensive to force them to if it is against ~their~ beliefs.
Besides that, this bill effectively does nothing but say that any church that WANTS to, can "marry" gay couples. It hardly says that all should be allowed to, or anything definitive. It simply opens up the door for more unjust and stupid prosecutions based on inane "human rights" charges.

Please note though, whilst I oppose this bill, I DO NOT oppose the LGBT community. I'm happy for anyone to have their own sexual preferences, whatever they may be, as long as they don't try and force me to believe their preference is better. I have at least 4 good friends I've known for ages who are gay.
#132
Quote by Lemoninfluence
So then what exactly was your point?

You seem to be telling gay rights supporters that money should be spent on gay sex ed. And without saying anything else the only obvious conclusion to be drawn is that you're suggesting we should be doing it instead of going forward with gay marriage.

That's what I've been basing my responses on.

If I'm wrong about your meaning, please enlighten me.

all i said was that i don't really get why for so many people gay marriage is the biggest gay rights issue we have now, when more important problems are largely unaddressed by the gay rights movement [in my experience at least]
#133
I swear Elton John already got married when it happened...

This is just something to give the Church a right to say no; Ministers have been getting into trouble over this; Most of the ministers I've heard about refusing to marry same sex couples are African.
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#134
Quote by AcousticMetal99
Personally, I can't see why this is such a big issue. There's still an economic crisis to deal with as a priority.
Non-heterosexuals can still have Civil Partnerships, which are as legally binding as marriage, and have the same protections and rules applying. It's effectively a change of the name that appears to be desired. I should point out in that case that ~marriage~ is between a man and a woman. That's part of the definition of it. So, personally, I'm not supporting this bill going through, because as far as I can see, it changes very little, other than opening up litigation.

On that note, it is the old "slippery slope" argument. The ECHR will undoubtedly be called in at some point, as it always is when it has no right over our legal system, and will probably rule that it is discrimination that some church or other refuses to "marry" a gay couple, even though it would be discrimination and offensive to force them to if it is against ~their~ beliefs.
Besides that, this bill effectively does nothing but say that any church that WANTS to, can "marry" gay couples. It hardly says that all should be allowed to, or anything definitive. It simply opens up the door for more unjust and stupid prosecutions based on inane "human rights" charges.

Please note though, whilst I oppose this bill, I DO NOT oppose the LGBT community. I'm happy for anyone to have their own sexual preferences, whatever they may be, as long as they don't try and force me to believe their preference is better. I have at least 4 good friends I've known for ages who are gay.

Funnily enough, the only thing guaranteeing freedom of religion in the UK is the ECHR.

But it doesn't have a right over our legal system, right?

Also you do realise that marriages don't have to happen in a church, right?

So this bill does more than allow certain churches to carry out gay marriage. And even if it did, surely the status quo is an infringement of their religious beliefs if you prohibit them from carrying them out gay marriages when they want to be able to do it?

Quote by Tsar66
all i said was that i don't really get why for so many people gay marriage is the biggest gay rights issue we have now, when more important problems are largely unaddressed by the gay rights movement [in my experience at least]

Ah, so your comment was utterly pointless.

Gotcha.
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Quote by element4433
Yeah. people, like Lemoninfluence, are hypocrites and should have all their opinions invalidated from here on out.
#135
Quote by Lemoninfluence

So this bill does more than allow certain churches to carry out gay marriage. And even if it did, surely the status quo is an infringement of their religious beliefs if you prohibit them from carrying them out gay marriages when they want to be able to do it?

This was something I thought went unchallenged in Commons. A lot of Tories were basically saying "I want religious freedom except not for Quakers and Unitarians and everyone else who agrees with them", and nobody called them out for it.
#136
Quote by AcousticMetal99
Personally, I can't see why this is such a big issue. There's still an economic crisis to deal with as a priority.
Non-heterosexuals can still have Civil Partnerships, which are as legally binding as marriage, and have the same protections and rules applying. It's effectively a change of the name that appears to be desired. I should point out in that case that ~marriage~ is between a man and a woman. That's part of the definition of it. So, personally, I'm not supporting this bill going through, because as far as I can see, it changes very little, other than opening up litigation.

On that note, it is the old "slippery slope" argument. The ECHR will undoubtedly be called in at some point, as it always is when it has no right over our legal system, and will probably rule that it is discrimination that some church or other refuses to "marry" a gay couple, even though it would be discrimination and offensive to force them to if it is against ~their~ beliefs.
Besides that, this bill effectively does nothing but say that any church that WANTS to, can "marry" gay couples. It hardly says that all should be allowed to, or anything definitive. It simply opens up the door for more unjust and stupid prosecutions based on inane "human rights" charges.

Please note though, whilst I oppose this bill, I DO NOT oppose the LGBT community. I'm happy for anyone to have their own sexual preferences, whatever they may be, as long as they don't try and force me to believe their preference is better. I have at least 4 good friends I've known for ages who are gay.

Separate but equal. Good history with that idea.
Marriage isn't defined as between a man and a woman. That's like saying marriage is defined as being between two people of the same race.
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#139
Quote by Lemoninfluence

Ah, so your comment was utterly pointless.

Gotcha.


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#141
Quote by magnus_maximus
What's wrong with you?

He's preaching the truth yo
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#143
Why the **** did Channel 4 invite that godawful twat Milo on? Ugh, couldn't they have just had a happy gay bloke?
#144
The only Milo I can think of is an underground rapper so I assume it's not him. Full name?

EDIT: Oh, Milo Yiannopoulos? Yeah I remember him from 10 O'Clock Live. Got on my nerves on that show
#145
Quote by captaincrunk
given that he's elected essentially by majority, yeah he kinda is


We've just ****ing been through this. He won by a 51% majority, 49% of people don't agree with him, therefore he's not representative of the country as a whole. Half of that 51% probably voted for him because he's the lesser of two evils.
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#146
Quote by Trowzaa
We've just ****ing been through this. He won by a 51% majority, 49% of people don't agree with him, therefore he's not representative of the country as a whole. Half of that 51% probably voted for him because he's the lesser of two evils.

sorry for not reading all your shitty posts bro, but even if I had I'd still write that response because you don't seem to understand the value of 51%
#147
Quote by willT08
The only Milo I can think of is an underground rapper so I assume it's not him. Full name?

EDIT: Oh, Milo Yiannopoulos? Yeah I remember him from 10 O'Clock Live. Got on my nerves on that show


That's the one, didn't want to embarrass myself misspelling his name. Yeah. he's a right **** on twitter, had deleted him and then boom, Channel 4 unleashes him.
#148
Quote by captaincrunk
sorry for not reading all your shitty posts bro, but even if I had I'd still write that response because you don't seem to understand the value of 51%


at no point did i say he wasn't voted in by a majority, he's not representative of the population as a whole as in 100%. Maybe if you could read then you'd realise what I actually said, you spacker.
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#149
Quote by captaincrunk
sorry for not reading all your shitty posts bro, but even if I had I'd still write that response because you don't seem to understand the value of 51%


It's not a majority until like 75%. Duh.
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#150
Quote by Carnivean
It's not a majority until like 75%. Duh.


Oh, so you can't read either? I'll keep that in mind for the next time I talk to you.
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#151
Quote by magnus_maximus
What, gay people are "conned" into being gay? That's the "truth" is it?


I was straight until I got an email from a Nigerian Prince saying I could make millions if I turned gay.
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#152
Quote by magnus_maximus
What's wrong with you?

I'm not gay so everything seems to be going well.
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#153
What the ****, UK? Here I was thinking it's only America and France that are behind on times, but et tu, Brutain?
#154
Quote by magnus_maximus
What, gay people are "conned" into being gay? That's the "truth" is it?

What do you think the gay pride parades do to impressionable young kids? What do all of these gay support groups do to kids? Not to mention that we are teaching them that we should "accept" a lifestyle that leads to disease and the like. We don't go around telling them that it's OK to be a child molester do we? We don't go around saying it's OK to marry your dog if you want do we? It just sends the wrong message, a message that kids would never have heard before then.
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#155
Quote by magnus_maximus
Nice straw man argument.

Nice gay man argument.
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#156
Brad's so clearly in the closet.
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#157
Quote by bradulator
What do you think the gay pride parades do to impressionable young kids? What do all of these gay support groups do to kids? Not to mention that we are teaching them that we should "accept" a lifestyle that leads to disease and the like. We don't go around telling them that it's OK to be a child molester do we? We don't go around saying it's OK to marry your dog if you want do we? It just sends the wrong message, a message that kids would never have heard before then.

Do I need to start citing Gruber?
#158
Quote by Trowzaa
Brad's so clearly in the closet.

If more gays were in the closet then they wouldn't be publicly influencing the youth to follow their example and we wouldn't have aids.
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#160
Quote by bradulator
If more gays were in the closet then they wouldn't be publicly influencing the youth to follow their example and we wouldn't have aids.


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