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ibanez2011
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hey my moms friend is selling a 67 strat thats pretty road worn, which is awesome but some ass hole routed it for a floyd rose at some point then put a kahler on top of that. It comes with the original case thats in pretty good shape. she said she would sell it to me for 500 (usd). my question is is anyone getting screwed in this deal?


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That sounds like a pretty solid deal to me. Even the case is worth at least a quarter of that.
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You could part it out and sell everything but the body for a decent amount if it's original.
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ibanez2011
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ok cool Im gonna jump on it then. lol
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It looks to be all original, would it have came with a 3 way or a 5 way switch? it has a 5 way
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The '67 is considered one of those "good years" in Strats. Up there with '56/'57 and '62.

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really? sweet well im not gonna part it out then
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damn.

$500 is a screaming deal for that.

the trem is the only modification?

i say you can't buy that fast enough.

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really? sweet well im not gonna part it out then

no don't part it out.

set it up nice, play the hell out of it.

and post some decent pics dammit.
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Yeah, there's a lefty 1967 Strat on Ebay right now for $2,400. I'd say yours in present condition would be like $1,200. The '67 is so popular because Hendrix's Woodstock Strat was a '67, I'm pretty sure. Famous years tend to add more to vintage Strats like that. If I recall correctly, too, Clapton's Brownie he got from Steve Winwood was a 1967 before he switched to Blackie, which was a frankenstien of 3 different 50's Strats.

If you decide you don't like it I'll give you $500 for it

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ibanez2011
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sorry those are the iPhone pics she sent me haha and from my limited knowledge of vintage strats I would say yeah the bridge is the only modification, the frets seem to be in really good shape so it might have had a fret job at some point
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New frets would be a worth it investment. If you swap the bridge I'd recommend a swap for a Fender authorized 2 Screw trem or a Super Vee. They're my favorite third party Strat trem factory.

http://www.super-vee.com/

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well under the kahler is routed for a floyd, so will a super vee fit and look ok?
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i bet it doesn't suck with the kahler.
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no the kahler is sweet, it just doesnt look right lol
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You do realize this is a Stratocaster and not a Springy Sound, right greg?

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the kahler gives it a mij vibe.
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the kahler gives it a mij vibe.

yeah haha
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Buy it. My 2012 Vintage Guitar Price Guide lists that guitar at a decent price. Now, realize the Price Guide takes into consideration the guitar has normal wear for a '67 and is in all original condition. This one has some wear and is not 100% original.

If that yellow color is what is considered to be a common color, the price for a guitar in better condition would be anywhere from $11,800 to $14,800. For a rare color, it's anywhere from $14,800 to $27,000. Again, this guitar has some condition issues and originality issues, so the price is going to be down from that. Also, keep in mind that my price guide is from 2012 - I haven't purchased one for 2013 yet and I know the prices slipped a little for the vintage market.

Still... for $500, I'd be all over that. Buy it. Buy it now.
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ibanez2011
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thanks for all the info guys. I just texted her and told her I want it she said its mine
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Now, don't refinish it, don't paint it and don't repair it. Don't do anything that will alter the value of it. Play it and enjoy it, but don't ruin it. If you decide to sell it, you can probably still get a pretty penny for it. Places like Chicago Music Exchange, California Vintage Guitar and Amp, Gruhn Guitars and others, would probably surprise you with decent offers.

Edit: Even a refret will alter the value of it.
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oh god I would never paint it! this thing looks amazing I love beat up guitars haha and I think you guys miss understood me, I think someone already refreted it, im not going to have it refreted
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'67 pickups kinda sucked. Change it to a '57/'62 set and you'll be happy.

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That's a great deal.

I would definitely look at making that a restoration project. I'm not too sure about the colour but any mods I would reverse, I'd look at filling the holes that were made when the Kahler was installed and have it as stock as possible.
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I'd look into putting an OFR in it if it's routed for one, but I think the Kahler looks far worse than an OFR.
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I'd look into putting an OFR in it if it's routed for one, but I think the Kahler looks far worse than an OFR.

yeah I was thinking about that. the kahler is pre 1987 (idk the exact year) do you think thats worth any money? and I'm not gonna restore the guitar or change the pick ups I love how beat up it is and the pick ups are original so I really dont want to seperate those from the rest of the guitar
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Quote by ibanez2011
yeah I was thinking about that. the kahler is pre 1987 (idk the exact year) do you think thats worth any money? and I'm not gonna restore the guitar or change the pick ups I love how beat up it is and the pick ups are original so I really dont want to seperate those from the rest of the guitar



dude the less you do to this guitar the better in the long run.

can an original strat trem be put back on normally, using the original holes? <----- answer that.
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yes? or do you have to fill the holes and redrill?
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Quote by ibanez2011
yes? or do you have to fill the holes and redrill?


you may not have to.

it depends on the condition of the guitar under that kahler.

if the original holes are there and not messed up you may be able to.

if it's been routed and changed such that the holes are gone then maybe not.
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That's pretty good. Obviously, you're not going to get anywhere near as much as you would for an unmolested strat of the same vintage, but I would say even in the worst case it's still probably worth 2-3 times as much as you got it for. Whether you can put a vintage fender trem back on there depends on whether or not the floyd rose was given a sunken rout or not. If not, it'll just be a case of filling in the post holes with a bit of dowel and wood glue then sticking a more in-keeping bridge on there, otherwise it will require a bit more work.
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The trem looks wrong. Is it set up to not be full floating? No springs? The route doesn't even look like it has enough space.

Either way, the guitar is worth more than you'll be paying for it.
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Take it to a proper dealer. This is the rule with all pre-1980s guitars. The internet is not the place to sell such things, nor is it the place to get an accurate evaluation.

That said, any modifications lower the value of a guitar. In this case, the modifications are extensive and quite damaging in nature; the condition of the guitar also does not seem to be terribly good. Do not expect this guitar to be worth anywhere near what a stock late-60s Strat is.
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Naw the trem makes it even cooler, locking tuners to complete it?

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Quote by J_W
The trem looks wrong. Is it set up to not be full floating? No springs? The route doesn't even look like it has enough space. .

from what I understand a kahler has springs underneath it that dont require as much routing as a floyd.

also the guitar is routed for a recessed floyd so they took out quite a bit of wood. I hope I can go pick it up with in the week so I can post some better pics
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I'd look into putting an OFR in it if it's routed for one, but I think the Kahler looks far worse than an OFR.


Gross.

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Take it to a proper dealer. This is the rule with all pre-1980s guitars. The internet is not the place to sell such things, nor is it the place to get an accurate evaluation.

That said, any modifications lower the value of a guitar. In this case, the modifications are extensive and quite damaging in nature; the condition of the guitar also does not seem to be terribly good. Do not expect this guitar to be worth anywhere near what a stock late-60s Strat is.


He's getting it for $500 with an OHSC. Where else will you find any pre-CBS Strats for that price? I bet the case alone will ebay for $100+. Plus, he likes the feel and the sound. $500 is an absolute steal.

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