GV8
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#1
Hey guys,

Basically I want to know if a Floyd Rose can do anything a regular strat trem can do?

Cheers,
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#2
You can do divebombs with Floyd Rose, and it will definitely stay in tune much better.
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Quote by GV8
Hey guys,

Basically I want to know if a Floyd Rose can do anything a regular strat trem can do?

Cheers,


With the exception of being restrung quickly and easily, yes.
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yes i like a floyd better than a strat trem fromost things involving wammy
the only difference is a floyd take a bit longer to set up between string changes
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#8
Yeah it can do everything a strat trem does and more. It will add a whole new dimension to your playing if you use it right
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#9
Doublestop bending is more difficult, nigh impossible due to it causing variances, but it's variable. Just block the ****er with a tremolno whe nyou want and you should be sweet.
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actually doublestop bending ain't that bad (IMO), maybe takes some getting used to, but I use a floyd on my main guitar and I do it all the time, you just use your ears to adjust the bend as it goes
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use a lot of springs (like 4) to avoid the floyd moving when you are doing two string bends or really heavy bends and have the guitar set up right with a tech and you can do much more then with a strat trem and it will stay in tune better.
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On a Floyd Rose you can do everything a normal Strat tremolo can, plus you have more headroom for diving and pulling up the tremolo, perhaps having more liberty to do any kind of effects, flutters (a strat tremolo can do this too?), and thanks to it including a Locking nut it will hold on tune better under any ciscunstance when compared to a normal strat bridge.

And About the double stop bends, what about pushing a bit down the bridge with your picking hand while doing them? I do it all the time, it's just a little presure and is really easy, just gotta know how much you have to push to keep it sounding great, and that is easy too no extra setup/springs/blocking to do them...
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#14
yes but a floyd tends to move in pitch much more quickly than a strat trem (think that's because of the locking nut, that's what john suhr says anyway), so a strat trem arguably does more subtle vibrato better than a floyd.
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can do anything but be easy to set up and string.. lol.
/sarcasm yeah, greater stability when being abused, but if a string breaks the whole thing goes out of tune
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Strat bridges are better if you want to be really accurate with your vibrato tricks; they also preserve sustain and the fundamental tone better. See: Jeff Beck.
Non-recessed double-locking bridges are better if you aren't so fussed about vibrato accuracy and having a slightly thinner tone and insist on the very best tuning stability. The difference between this and a Strat bridge is minimal. See: Richie Sambora
Recessed double-locking bridges are better if you want to do the most exaggerated dives and rises; you have no choice but to accept this comes at the cost of fundamental tones, sustain and the occasional slightly off-pitch note. The difference between this and a Strat bridge is substantial. See: Steve Vai.
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GV8
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#18
Thanks for all the help guys, I think I understand a lot more (:
But how about the special PRS trem system? I know that PRS have their own unique trem, can that do anything a floyd can? Like supreme dive bombs and dimebag squeelies?
Or let me put this differently, what can or can't it do?
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^ I'm not that familiar with the prs trem, so take what i'm saying with a pinch of salt, lol, but i assume it's a bit like a wilkinson, so sorta in-between a strat trem and a floyd.

it's not so much what they can do and can't do, it's more how well they do it. if that makes sense. someone who's really good at setting up and maintaining a strat trem (not to mention expert at using it) could probably do most of what you can do with a floyd with a standard strat trem. but a (good) floyd does the more extreme stuff with less fuss.

just in case that sounds like i'm saying everyone should just use a standard strat trem, i'm not. for more extreme stuff i prefer a floyd.

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Strat bridges are better if you want to be really accurate with your vibrato tricks; they also preserve sustain and the fundamental tone better. See: Jeff Beck.
Non-recessed double-locking bridges are better if you aren't so fussed about vibrato accuracy and having a slightly thinner tone and insist on the very best tuning stability. The difference between this and a Strat bridge is minimal. See: Richie Sambora
Recessed double-locking bridges are better if you want to do the most exaggerated dives and rises; you have no choice but to accept this comes at the cost of fundamental tones, sustain and the occasional slightly off-pitch note. The difference between this and a Strat bridge is substantial. See: Steve Vai.


disagree. a non-recessed floyd is way different from a strat trem.

how does a recessed floyd help you do a more exaggerated dive, out of interest?
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Because you can pull up and dive all the way down? A dive doesn't have to be from the middle point.
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i suppose, but i mean that's a bit of a faff. Not to mention you can always bend up with your fingers if you really want to get maximum diveage. Not to mention there's not a whole heap of point, you could just dive from a couple of frets higher. I mean with the trem at the parallel mid point you can still dive till the strings go slack (certainly on the lower strings) so it's not like you need to dive any lower...
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It's more that when you have a bridge decked, as you usually would with a non-recessed Floyd, the springs are going to be pulling it back more and doing a full dive requires you to use more pressure. With a floating bridge it's that bit looser, easier and quicker to slam it all the way down.

Now, whether it is possible to do a full-length dive or rise in a way which doesn't make you sound like a complete tit is another debate for another day.

And I didn't say that a non-recessed Floyd isn't noticably different to a Strat bridge, just that the difference is as minimal as can be reasonably expected when comparing any two different bridges, and certainly compared to a recessed Floyd.
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most people with a non-recessed floyd set their floyd to float*, though. In that case dives are pretty much the same as with a recessed floyd.

(*source: i made that up)

I mean i know charvel sets up their non-recessed floyds to float from the factory. granted maybe musicman has them flush, so i dunno.

i'd still say a (floating) non-recessed floyd is far closer to a recessed floyd than to a strat trem (even if the strat trem is floating too). i suspect a flush-mount/dive-only non-recessed floyd is closer to a recessed floyd than a strat trem too, but i have a lot less experience with that as i prefer my trems to float, lol.
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My Charvel's bridge came decked, my Kramer's came decked and I know that the current Fendes with non-recessed Floyds also come decked. In fact I don't think I've ever seen or heard of people setting a non-recessed Floyd to float. It'd defeat the point. So
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my charvel came floating All the pro mods i tried were floating too (IIRC).

i don't think it totally defeats the point (though i do sorta see where you're going with that). It lets you still get a little up-pull while eliminating the chances of breaking a string from pulling up too much. it also still lets you get flutter. it (arguably) has better tone than having a massive chunk out of the body. Plus you have the option of screwing it down tight to the body if you want.
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"Screwing it down tight to the body" certainly caught my eye, there.
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what i do with my charvel in the privacy of my own home is my own business
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I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

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