Special Ed. Teacher tries to prevent gay students from attending prom

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#81
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What's a 'normal' christian?


Ones that disregard the Bible
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#82
That reminds me of something that happened in school today. Senior year US Government class. I've been super sick recently and was particularly tired this morning. Some asshole stole my normal seat, so I had to sit behind this downie chick. I fell asleep, head down on my desk during the lecture. Well, not totally asleep. Like I said, I've been sick, so I was aware of my loud breathing, so I tried not to sleep, lest I snore in the middle of a speech. About fifteen minutes before class ends I'm awakened by a thump on my head and "HEY, WAYK AP THTUPUD". Shit was so gay.
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#83
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Wow, that's nice. Somebody that stupid shouldn't be a teacher of any description.
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Yeah seriously.

This is what happens when you let any old bigot just walk into teacher training.
#84
To give you all a sense of the environment that breeds this stupidity, here's where the town is located.

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Sullivan,+Indiana+47882&hl=en&ll=39.041586,-87.367401&spn=0.577036,1.234589&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&geocode=FRiMVAId5ErK-g&hnear=Sullivan,+Indiana&t=h&z=10

A bunch of ****ing nowhere. The country is a death zone for tolerance.
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#85
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One that doesn't post on the internet


Normally, we don't act like Westboro Baptist Church


Seriously though, they give Christianity a bad name. I have a gay friend, but i don't hate on him. I don't exactly "agree" with it, but who am I to tell someone how to live their life?

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Ones that disregard the Bible


1 John 4:19-5:4
We love because he first loved us. If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen. And this commandment we have from him: whoever loves God must also love his brother. Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments.

We aren't supposed to be hating.
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#86
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To give you all a sense of the environment that breeds this stupidity, here's where the town is located.

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Sullivan,+Indiana+47882&hl=en&ll=39.041586,-87.367401&spn=0.577036,1.234589&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&geocode=FRiMVAId5ErK-g&hnear=Sullivan,+Indiana&t=h&z=10

A bunch of ****ing nowhere. The country is a death zone for tolerance.

Yea. I mean, I know a lot of Indiana isn't what you'd call "densely populated", but that part of it is definitely the most sparse. I don't even remember that towns exist there until I see a map.
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#87
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I don't exactly "agree" with it




Do you agree with black people having black skin?
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#88
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Do you agree with black people having black skin?


I have my beliefs and you have yours. Leave it at that. No racism intended
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#89
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I don't exactly "agree" with it,

'Don't exactly agree' In the sense that you are a naturaly hetrosexual person to whom homosexuality just has no appeal whatsoever, but at the same time you have no problem if others are homosexual... or 'don't exactly agree' in the sense that you consider homosexuality to be a sin for religious reasons?
#90
Brian, you shouldn't have said anything. Stating your beliefs isn't welcomed 'round these parts.
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#91
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Brian, you shouldn't have said anything. Stating your beliefs isn't welcomed 'round these parts.
If you're not able to defend your beliefs, then why have them.
#92
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Christians that act like this make Christians look terrible as a whole. Normal ones don't act like this at all.

That's funny because nearly every Christian I've ever met (and I've met a shitload) act precisely like this. And I don't live in bumfuck nowhere, where people haven't caught up to the times. I live about 1hr out of San Francisco, one of the most progressive cities in the country.
#93
I go to a Christian school, many people are tolerant and loving, many people are fucking dickheads.
#94
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Brian, you shouldn't have said anything. Stating your beliefs isn't welcomed 'round these parts.

Beliefs aren't a problem, even beliefs that seem outlandish to rational people, people should be allowed to believe anything they want to. But it's when beliefs become responsible for some sort of discrimination against a particular group of people that there's a problem.

Personaly, I don't care if someone believes that the heavens are filled with all manner of mythical entities that are taking part in an eternaly dancing conga line, just so long as they don't allow their beliefs to influence them into becoming discriminatory towards any particular group of people for having a lifestyle that has absolutely no affect on anyone else.

There's no reason for a Christian to consider homosexuality as a sin. Yes, it's mentioned that it's a sin in the Old Testament, but according to Christianity Jesus was supposed to bring about a 'New Covenant', a new deal or agreement with God that saw the end to weird archaic rules like restrictions on diet and old discriminations against other groups of people with a different lifestyle to their own because Jesus taught people that they should treat EVERYONE as they wish to be treated themselves and not to judge anyone.
Remember, Christianity was the point where a form of Judaism, which was a closed religion at the time that could only be practiced by native Israelites, was made available to the 'gentiles', which basicaly means anyone who isn't a native Israelite. The whole world was welcomed into Christianity but for that to work people had to forget about any hang-ups that they had about practices that were perfectly acceptable in other cultures but considered as taboo in Israelite culture, this is supposedly why Jesus apparently said those things about treating everyone equally and not judging others, even if their culture is quite different to the Israelite culture. He even taught people to love their enemies and to offer their other cheek towards someone who has already struck one cheek.

His lessons seem to point towards a unified world where discrimination caused by cultural differences just doesn't exist.

According to the lessons of Jesus, Christian should consider EVERYONE as an equal, even their enemies, and even if a Christian doesn't say anything about it to anyone else, if they are harbouring personaly discriminatory feelings about a different group of people then they have an obvious problem that really should be addressed.
#95
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Brian, you shouldn't have said anything. Stating your beliefs isn't welcomed 'round these parts.

They are, actually. I'm sure many derive amusement from morons trying to justify their bigotry, it's quite a spectacle. Especially when they get all butthurt that their skewed perceptions are called out for exactly what they are.
#96
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That's funny because nearly every Christian I've ever met (and I've met a shitload) act precisely like this. And I don't live in bumfuck nowhere, where people haven't caught up to the times. I live about 1hr out of San Francisco, one of the most progressive cities in the country.

Try going to a European country. You'll find that Christians in Europe are often more liberal than many of their American counterparts.

Also, consider this. If you live in one of the most progressive cities in America, a place that has a long LGBT-friendly history, what sort of Christians do you think that'll attract?

While I have no problem believing that it'll attract many progressive Christians who have no problem with homosexuality, it's also pretty obvious that it's also gonna attract the more discriminatory kind of Christian who will be much more vocal and noticable than the progressive Christians.
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#97
I've defended my points one too many times on these forums and every time it hasn't gone anywhere. I'm not going to have a pointless discussion again. Also, I already said that I thought it was ridiculous for them not to allow homosexuals to prom.
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#98
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Try going to a European country. You'll find that Christians in Europe are often more liberal than many of their American counterparts.

Also, consider this. If you live in one of the most progressive cities in America, a place that has a long LGBT-friendly history, what sort of Christians do you think that'll attract?

While I have no problem believing that it'll attract many progressive Christians who have no problem with homosexuality, it's also pretty obvious that it's also gonna attract the more discriminatory kind of Christian who will be much more vocal and noticable than the progressive Christians.

Oh, I'm sure they are. Europeans seem to be better at not being 75 years behind the times.

Also, I don't live in SF. I'm about an hour away, but I a lot of the Christians I know have been in this area for most of their lives. They're not really being attracted to anything. They're just ass-backwards people.
#99
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Oh, I'm sure they are. Europeans seem to be better at not being 75 years behind the times.

Also, I don't live in SF. I'm about an hour away, but I a lot of the Christians I know have been in this area for most of their lives. They're not really being attracted to anything. They're just ass-backwards people.

Maybe 'attract' was the wrong word to use. The point I'm making though is that being in an area where homosexuality is considered as acceptable, many Christians in the area are going to react to that by being more vocal than more liberal Christians in their protests against homosexuality.
The point I'm making is that if you had two Christians and one was anti-homosexual while the other was liberal, the anti-homosexual Christian is more likely to voice their opinions while the liberal Christian will more than likely just keep their opinion to themselvers. That way, the anti-homosexual Christians are naturaly going to stand out while the more liberal Christians will be more likely to go unnoticed.

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I've defended my points one too many times on these forums and every time it hasn't gone anywhere. I'm not going to have a pointless discussion again.


Could I ask a question?

If you are unable to successfuly defend your points in a discussion, why do you then consider that discussion to be 'pointless'?

Remember, a discussion is a two way thing, just because people disagree with your point of view, that doesn't mean that you can't take anything positive away from the discussion.

D'you know what the best thing is about debating? It's not that someone gets considered as a winner at the end, it's not that people get to flex their mental capacity or liguistic skills while at the same time sharpening their reasoning skills, the best thing about debates is that people get to learn about positions and opinions that they might never have considered before. It's essentially an opportunity to acquire new knowledge. Even if two people fail to settle their debate with any kind of unified agreement, each of them would have gained more knowledge after the experience of thinking from various perspectives on a single topic.
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#100
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Could I ask a question?

If you are unable to successfuly defend your points in a discussion, why do you then consider that discussion to be 'pointless'?

Remember, a discussion is a two way thing, just because people disagree with your point of view, that doesn't mean that you can't take anything positive away from the discussion.

D'you know what the best thing is about debating? It's not that someone gets considered as a winner at the end, it's not that people get to flex their metal capacity or liguistic skills while at the same time sharpening their reasoning skills, the best thing about debates is that people get to learn about positions and opinions that they might never have considered before. It's essentially an opportunity to acquire new knowledge. Even if two people fail to settle their debate with any kind of unified agreement, each of them would have gained more knowledge after the experience of thinking from various perspectives on a single topic.


Yes.

I am always able to defend my points, what usually happens is too many people start asking questions that I have already answered.

I agree.

I agree a lot.
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#101
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I am always able to defend my points, what usually happens is too many people start asking questions that I have already answered.

I've always found that the best way to deal with that is to simply post links to where you've already answered the questions.
#102
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Maybe 'attract' was the wrong word to use. The point I'm making though is that being in an area where homosexuality is considered as acceptable, many Christians in the area are going to react to that by being more vocal than more liberal Christians in their protests against homosexuality.
The point I'm making is that if you had two Christians and one was anti-homosexual while the other was liberal, the anti-homosexual Christian is more likely to voice their opinions while the liberal Christian will more than likely just keep their opinion to themselvers. That way, the anti-homosexual Christians are naturaly going to stand out while the more liberal Christians will be more likely to go unnoticed.


It's not that they're out on the street corners protesting. My parents are very religious and I was brought up in church. These hateful, bigoted beliefs are held by the large majority of Christians in the area, even at the church that the other churches don't like because it's "too liberal." They're not incredibly vocal, but they believe it all the same.
#103
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It's not that they're out on the street corners protesting. My parents are very religious and I was brought up in church. These hateful, bigoted beliefs are held by the large majority of Christians in the area, even at the church that the other churches don't like because it's "too liberal." They're not incredibly vocal, but they believe it all the same.

Yeah, I didn't mean it in the way that someone would be openly protesting, just in the way that a bigoted Christian will be naturaly more vocal about their beliefs in everyday conversation than a liberal Christian.
Y'see, a liberal Christian would be more concerned with not offending anyone than a bigoted Christian, so is probably more likely to keep their opinion to themselves than a bigoted Christian would.
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#104
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As long as they create a separate but equal prom for the homosexual students I don't see a problem.

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#105
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I go to a Christian school, many people are tolerant and loving, many people are fucking dickheads.


I did too. A lot of Christian School kids are worse than public school kids.
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#106
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1 John 4:19-5:4
We love because he first loved us. If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen. And this commandment we have from him: whoever loves God must also love his brother. Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments.

We aren't supposed to be hating.

Amen, brother. I wish more Christians (and more people in general) understood this.
#107
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We aren't supposed to be hating.

Maybe not. But it is your duty as a Christian to put them to death.

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.(Leviticus 20:13 KJV)
#108
Quote by willT08
Maybe not. But it is your duty as a Christian to put them to death.

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.(Leviticus 20:13 KJV)


The one's that love are right and the one's that hate are right, and that's why I don't like Christianity.
#109
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Maybe not. But it is your duty as a Christian to put them to death.

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.(Leviticus 20:13 KJV)


They don't have to be killed if they're gay. Only if they bone.
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#110
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They don't have to be killed if they're gay. Only if they bone.
Well is god not merciful?

If anything that's worse.
#111
I just have a problem with the ******s that think homosexuality is a choice.
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#113
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Maybe not. But it is your duty as a Christian to put them to death.

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.(Leviticus 20:13 KJV)

Why are you assuming that it is the duty necessarily of the Christian (or even the duty of maybe the Church as an entity) to put someone to death? You're making a big assumption without looking at the context of the whole.
#116
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I did too. A lot of Christian School kids are worse than public school kids.
I'm talking bout college though, I went to public schools all my life lol
#117
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Why are you assuming that it is the duty necessarily of the Christian (or even the duty of maybe the Church as an entity) to put someone to death? You're making a big assumption without looking at the context of the whole.

I'm not sure who else the passage would be addressing other than Christians and the Church. Unless you mean God is gonna do it himself, but he clearly doesn't. Meaning he's either completely powerless, doesn't exist, or he's addressing people on Earth to do it.
#118
Who goes around in school admitting to being homosexual anyway? You just know that you will be bullied instantly.
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#119
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Who goes around in school admitting to being homosexual anyway? You just know that you will be bullied instantly.

That's the thing that we are trying to combat
#120
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I'm not sure who else the passage would be addressing other than Christians and the Church. Unless you mean God is gonna do it himself, but he clearly doesn't. Meaning he's either completely powerless, doesn't exist, or he's addressing people on Earth to do it.

How do you know God doesn't do it? Let's focus on a broad idea of God here for a second. (By which I mean, set aside whether you believe in God or not.) Suppose God is an all-powerful being, who is outside of time, space, etc. and still has the ability to directly affect time, space, etc. (If God really were God, after all, would he not have the ability to do what I just said?) So, let's say that God doesn't like homosexuality and considers it an abomination (much as Lev. 20: 13 states). He has several ways to cause homosexuals to be "punished" then.

1) He can cause them to be put to death by other humans, either by directly moving people via commands (as in the 2nd half of Lev. 20: 13) or by allowing a homosexual to die by murder, etc.
2) He can simply shorten the life span of a homosexual.
3) He can command that nations do not allow homosexuality and bring judgment upon nations that do. (See much of Israel in the Old Testament to get an example of judgment.)


Of course, these are only three ways. But see, you keep thinking of the idea of God as somehow being limited. If we philosophically define God, he is limitless. Therefore, it is definitely possible for God to use the 3 ways I stated or any number of other ways to deal with homosexuality or anything else God decides is an abomination.

Now, keep in mind, I'm not stating "God does X". I'm merely approaching the idea of God in a somewhat philosophical manner.