stoneyfromoz
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Hey guys i've visited this site since i was 14 and thought i'd finally sign up and ask oppinion on what guitar to buy, i own a gibson sg robot and a line 6 spider valve mk2 212 amp and really want an esp to crank out some fast paced metalcore on i've been looking at the horizons, the alexi laiho signatures and fr-7's but can't make a decision any feedback will be acknowledged as good feedback and i don't really want to spend more than 4 grand cheers guys
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Well if you get any ESP really you won't be let down, the craftsmanship on them is immaculate.
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stoneyfromoz
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a couple more questions are the emg's or seymour duncans better pickups for metal i've been playing axe for a while but when it comes to the technical side i'm rather stuck. currently looking at the alexi laiho pinksawtooth with an emg hz-h2
stoneyfromoz
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Quote by its_minchew
4 grand? That might get you into custom shop range..


yeah man i want a sweet axe i wasn't sure about filling out a custom form or not as i do have some pretty specific wants also i live in australia don't know about shipping fees.
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Unless you have a specific guitar in mind that costs that much, you should probably go custom. It is my understanding there ARE some pretty good luthiers and wood suppliers in Australia, you know. Gecko, Ormsby...there are others.

Gecko might be outside your price range, as might a full custom Ormsby, but Ormsby's standard models are well within your budget.

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suhr? modern carve tops are the secks. (i will shut up and buy one someday).
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I was beat to it, but seriously, call John and get a Modern decked out. Amazing guitars. I haven't owned or played anything better.
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suhr? modern carve tops are the secks. (i will shut up and buy one someday).


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#10
maybe a new amp first.
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ESP is nice, but when you have the budget you have why settle for a good guitar, get a great guitar.
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#12
The others have it right, if you've got that much money to blow then I'd suggest you just go for a custom build, everything made to your spec. A custom ESP for four grand might be a little tight, depending on what you want on it, but private luthiers, companies like Carvin and even the Fender Custom Shop will make something to your spec within that price range.

As far as ESPs go, all of their top line are equal in quality; there is no objective reason to buy one particular model over another. What it comes down to is what features you want. ESP make a guitar to suit anything, but nobody can point you in the right direction if you don't tell us what things you need. For example, so far you've mentioned a single-pickup V, a super-Strat and a 7-string. That's a random mix.

Think about (and answer) the following:
  • How many strings do you want? 6, 7, 8?
  • What sort of bridge do you need? Fixed bridge or a Floyd Rose?
  • What scale length do you want? 24.75" and 25.5" are normal for 6-strings, while 25.5" or 27" are normal for 7- and 8-string guitars.
  • How many frets do you need? 22, 24, 27?
  • Do you want a bright and modern tone, a warm and classic tone, or something in the middle?
  • Do you only want one pickup? Do you want two, or three?
  • Do you prefer the sound of active pickups or passives?
  • Any particular body style or colour you like?


ESP (and many other brands) make every combination of everything, but if we don't know what it is you want then we can't point you towards the right guitar.

Quote by romeozdistress
maybe a new amp first.
OP's amp is fine if all they want to play is metal and they're happy enough with their current sound. I'm not saying it's the greatest amp money can buy, but there's no pressing need to change it. ESPs and Line 6 Spider Valves happen to be the recording and touring amps of choice for two of my favourite metal bands
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Price Range: Infinite?

Custom shop esp's start at about $5000-$8000-ish (don't quote me on that) and the price rises as you go into detail in specs or if you demand some crazy shit.

"What was the craziest guitar anyone ever wanted built?

We've worked on so many crazy products in our 38-year history. It's really hard to say which one was the craziest. We did a two string bass, a guitar with 100 frets, triple - neck guitars, and guitars with even four and five necks. We've done guitars with two necks on the left and right side of the body. But sometimes those crazy customs would bring us innovative ideas. But if you insist that I tell you, I would say the craziest custom was the one we built for a Japanese actor/artist, which had hundreds of diamonds built into it. In total, the cost was $200,000."

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/interviews/interviews/esp_guitars_metallica_is_our_largest_driving_marketing_force.html
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#16
Quote by romeozdistress
maybe a new amp first.


THIS

trust me dude you can buy a wicked metal amp in Australia for like $1500, which leaves 2500 to get an ESP or similar metal axe.

Dont do what a friend did and buy an excellent guitar when you have a average amp because you won't get the best out of a guitar. Any extra money you spend on the axe will be useless.

EG you could buy maybe an Egnater Vengence from the states (they have a voltage switch to our aussie power level of 240v) for like $1400 and then a new ESP Eclipse, V or M series for like 2k-2.5k. Or vice versa get a used Mesa or ENGL for 202.5k and a second hand esp for 1.2-1.7k.

PS my friend bought a Gibson Les Paul Traditional for retail ($3500 AUD which is like 3900 USD) and the only amp he had was the one that came with his Squire, the SP10

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Quote by SlenderMan`
THIS

trust me dude you can buy a wicked metal amp in Australia for like $1500, which leaves 2500 to get an ESP or similar metal axe.

Dont do what a friend did and buy an excellent guitar when you have a average amp because you won't get the best out of a guitar. Any extra money you spend on the axe will be useless.

EG you could buy maybe an Egnater Vengence from the states (they have a voltage switch to our aussie power level of 240v) for like $1400 and then a new ESP Eclipse, V or M series for like 2k-2.5k. Or vice versa get a used Mesa or ENGL for 202.5k and a second hand esp for 1.2-1.7k.

PS my friend bought a Gibson Les Paul Traditional for retail ($3500 AUD which is like 3900 USD) and the only amp he had was the one that came with his Squire, the SP10

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again this is all opinion. but say its a ESP build for $8000, how is that better than two, or a Suhr and a PRS 513. or hell even a Suhr and a Gibson Les Paul Custom. or go with a suhr and get some uber expensive amp (diesel comes to mine here). or a J-Custom (supposedly less than $2k, but most i see are around the $2k mark)

i don't see justifying a $8000 on a guitar that would be a specialized version of whats out there. is a different color? a different scale? a custom inlays? etc.
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#19
Forget ESP man, Mayones is where today's quality at. And that for the same price (standard models) or less (custom master builds) than ESP's.


@trashedlostfdup: The online quotes can't be further of the truth. An ESP CS with the same body shape of a standard model but with different woods/electronics or other minor modifications will set you back about 4k.
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griffin888
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#20
I'd do obscene things for a Regius Gothic 7 string...
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#21
Or a Daemoness V or 6 string Cimmerian. Mother of God those are things of beauty.
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ou8me99
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#22
JH set pickups are phenomenal for metal. If you really want a guitar that shreds by ESP try the KH ones. EMG's are really good for Metal type music. even better go with the blackout pickups, in my opinion their top notch.
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#23
$4000 can literally get you almost any guitar you want at the Guitar Center. I would spend $2000 on a guitar and the rest on an Amp, with maybe some effects.
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#24
i hope you plan to get a new amp..
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It sounds like you don't know what you want at all. You should not be flinging that kind of money around until you have more experience with guitars, IMO.

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#26
Get a new amp first. That'll have a far bigger impact on your tone. You should be spending similar amounts of money on your amp as your guitar. Probably more, in fact.
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The stuff I would do with your budget TS.
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NotTheMessiah30
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#29
I can vouch for the horizons, they're amazing guitars in every capacity. I'm sure a few of you have noticed i keep going on about them from time to time haha.
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Quote by NotTheMessiah30
I can vouch for the horizons, they're amazing guitars in every capacity. I'm sure a few of you have noticed i keep going on about them from time to time haha.


i have limited experience with the horizon, but agree ESP's are nice, i am more of an Ibby Prestige fan.

but once you get to the (hate defining) 'professional' range ($1300-$2500USD) most mainstream brands make excellent guitars. whether it be a EBMM Ibby ESP, Jackson, Fender, Gibson, PRS, etc. as long as it fits you right and you think its comfortable you can't really go wrong. all great guitars.

and if the budget is over that look into the dozens of bigger buck manufactures people are talking about in this thread (suhr, maynoes, Anderson, etc).
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