#1
Im pretty good at guitar as ive been playing for years. Spent most my life locked in my room due to social issues which is most likely aspergers.

Anyway I could never play with other people or join a band because tbh i get fatigued/stressed etc around others and just want to do my own thing, hence i played guitar a lot.

But now i am good at the guitar what is the point?

If i sit in my room and play guitar for another 30 years by time im 60 or so ill be best guitarist ever lol.

What I want to know is what can i do with guitar that is productive or even playing bars etc but does not involve others, but thing is I also prefer just playing lead and definatley not singing.

I guess id just be like jimmy hendrix lol and turn up at some wedding and fill in as lead guitarist etc haha unlikely.

Just looking for some ideas really

cheers
#2
You could use technology to your advantage and incorporate them into your music / live performance. That way you don't need a band.

...modes and scales are still useless.


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#3
The only choice you've created for yourself is to become a solo guitarist.

I was not aware that shyness was part of aspergers, but that's otherwise irrelevant, you don't want to play with other people.
And no, Guitar Hero will not help. Even on expert. Really.
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#4
yeh i make electronic music also so thats cool.

But yeh thats right i guess shyness or not i think i just dont want to play with others i like to do things myself..

but what can a solo guitarist do especially if im not a singer songwrtier type guy that can do acoustic in a bar and sing some songs etc...if i just like to rock out what can i do with that, only play in my room.
#5
Here's my idea:

Stop being socially inept, because you aren't going to pave the way for any real opportunities if you don't learn how to network and work with other people.
#6
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if i just like to rock out what can i do with that, only play in my room.


you answered your own question.

a large part of being a talented musician is being multi-faceted, even if you only play one instrument.

another equally large part is networking and socializing.

you're taking out both parts to a major (if not complete) degree.

food for thought.
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#7
i used to play with a guy diagnosed with asperger's.

excellent guitar player. but it sounds like a similar situation. i would follow xiaoxi's advice. maybe try recording some of your own stuff where you play all the instruments. if you can't play drums, program them.

i'm sure you're an incredibly talented, creative dude. don't feel like you have to be boxed in. now more than ever with technology you'll be able to do it yourself. or maybe even collaborate with people over the internet sending tracks around for others to dub their parts onto?

the other idea is embrace solo guitar. work on chord melodies. maybe look at some of those newer dudes like andy mckee for inspiration?





if you build up a decent rep doing solo guitar in that fashion you could get gigs easy if you were up to it.
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#8
i was diagnosed with assburgers and it was a load of shit

but yeah bands are overrated anyway

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you answered your own question.

a large part of being a talented musician is being multi-faceted, even if you only play one instrument.

another equally large part is networking and socializing.

you're taking out both parts to a major (if not complete) degree.

food for thought.


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#9
When playing with others, it's really important to understand that they want to play their thing as much as you want to play yours. It's a give and take. Listen to what someone else plays and try to come up with something you also like that complements the other players. Playing with other people really is a skill in itself and it takes practice. Rather than thinking in terms of like/dislike, think of it as a challenge to come up with something that fits in well with whole ensemble, even if it's not the most awesome guitar part.

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Here's my idea:

Stop being socially inept, because you aren't going to pave the way for any real opportunities if you don't learn how to network and work with other people.


Asperger's isn't something you "stop doing". It's a cognitive disorder essentially means you lack the ability to decipher social subtext. No amount of attempting socialization is going to change it.

You might as well be telling a blind person to take off their sunglasses if they want to see better.
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#10
Get a looper pedal so you can jam along to your own playing! Also get Band-in-a-box, its a piece of software that generates backing tracks based on chord schemes that you give it. Good luck
#11
that kid from parenthood who plays a kid with aspergers looks like a young jack white
#13
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When playing with others, it's really important to understand that they want to play their thing as much as you want to play yours. It's a give and take. Listen to what someone else plays and try to come up with something you also like that complements the other players. Playing with other people really is a skill in itself and it takes practice. Rather than thinking in terms of like/dislike, think of it as a challenge to come up with something that fits in well with whole ensemble, even if it's not the most awesome guitar part.


Asperger's isn't something you "stop doing". It's a cognitive disorder essentially means you lack the ability to decipher social subtext. No amount of attempting socialization is going to change it.

You might as well be telling a blind person to take off their sunglasses if they want to see better.

Asperger's also isn't something you flippantly self diagnose yourself with. If you can objectively understand that you have social issues, then it's probably just YOU. Work on YOU if you want to succeed.

And even if he has Aspergers (which he probably doesn't) that in no way stops him from musically collaborating with other people. I know multiple people with aspergers that regularly socialize and have a close group of friends, and one even plays in a band! Being oblivious to social cues and norms doesn't mean that can't interact with people.
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Asperger's also isn't something you flippantly self diagnose yourself with. If you can objectively understand that you have social issues, then it's probably just YOU. Work on YOU if you want to succeed.

And even if he has Aspergers (which he probably doesn't) that in no way stops him from musically collaborating with other people. I know multiple people with aspergers that regularly socialize and have a close group of friends, and one even plays in a band! Being oblivious to social cues and norms doesn't mean that can't interact with people.


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I was diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome a few years back. To be honest, I have never noticed any kind of social deficits ever until I was about 18-19 years old; I had a really brutal adolescence and it really changed the way I interact with other people, so I just consider it part of how I grew up. I don't trust anyone until I have known them for more than a year without any problems and I hate the idea of cliques. I consider this a good thing. Although I have to admit I really suck at dealing with people I don't know.

To be honest, your issue sounds more like a lack of confidence to me than Asperger's syndrome; people can sense this from a mile away. No offense, but that's what I have gathered from your opening post.

If you're doing something interesting, people will notice. The thing is, you have to act naturally and not overplay/underplay it. You have to remember that people are naturally quite insecure; you need to soften the blow sometimes if you have a significant skill they don't have. At the same time, it offends people if they find something interesting about what you're doing and you dismiss it like nothing. People like to feel that they are part of something- this is a large part of what music is to people.

Just act naturally and you'll get the best of both worlds. Be sure of both what you know and don't know, and you should find that you have no real reason to be shy in many situations. If people like what you're doing, just keep doing that and maybe even take their advice on how to make it better. If they don't like what you're doing, try to find out why. Unless they're just being mean- in that case you're better off without them anyway. You don't have to think really hard about how to interact with people- just be yourself and you'll end up around decent people.

Also, don't tell people you have been diagnosed with 'the syndrome'. People tend to get really insecure and nasty about things like that- especially posers.

EDIT: I'm pretty sure a much higher percentage of musicians have Asperger's syndrome than the general population. It's just the sort of thing they seem to do. Hell, my own brother has it and he was the one who originally got me interested in guitar.

EDIT2: Come to think of it, I have heard solo acts and instrumentals in general are getting way more popular nowadays. I don't really know why, but I suspect these games like Guitar Hero have a lot to do with it.
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#16
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Asperger's also isn't something you flippantly self diagnose yourself with. If you can objectively understand that you have social issues, then it's probably just YOU. Work on YOU if you want to succeed.

And even if he has Aspergers (which he probably doesn't) that in no way stops him from musically collaborating with other people. I know multiple people with aspergers that regularly socialize and have a close group of friends, and one even plays in a band! Being oblivious to social cues and norms doesn't mean that can't interact with people.


excuse my sensitivity. I've worked with people with disabilities and known people with Asperger's, and have this terrible habit of treating them with kindness. And being aware of one's poor social skills doesn't preclude a diagnosis; I imagine the recognition only makes the inability more frustrating to deal with.

Who knows if the TS actually has Aspergers, all I know is nothing is gained by being coarse and aggressive with someone who is looking for help.
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Who knows if the TS actually has Aspergers, all I know is nothing is gained by being coarse and aggressive with someone who is looking for help.


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#18
Well thanks for all advice so far sorry for making arguments about aspergers lol, just presume for the sake of arguments TS does have aspergers and then apply situation in general.

'what can a good guitarist with aspergers do with his skill''

or even if you feel aspergers is unlikely like

''what can a guitarist who is extremely introverted or dislikes working with people do with his skill''

IMO aspergers is positive. I wont go into my mental health history here as this is not the point of the thread.

Cheers
#19
TS, have you ever tried playing music with other people?

As a fairly introverted person myself, I find I have very little issue relating to people on a musical level. In fact, I think the type of people that are the best bandmates are the ones who aren't very outspoken. Musical communication is a completely different type of intelligence than verbal communication.

Being in a band IS a social group in a way, but it's less about socializing than it is about making music. You know how to make music, so what's stopping you from making music with other people?
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#20
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TS, play the guitar for whatever reason you want. If you want to move past a certain point than that is going to involve leaving your bedroom and taking your guitar with you. If you're uncomfortable with that then there isn't anything else that can happen.
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#21
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TS, have you ever tried playing music with other people?

As a fairly introverted person myself, I find I have very little issue relating to people on a musical level. In fact, I think the type of people that are the best bandmates are the ones who aren't very outspoken. Musical communication is a completely different type of intelligence than verbal communication.

Being in a band IS a social group in a way, but it's less about socializing than it is about making music. You know how to make music, so what's stopping you from making music with other people?


tbh its the aspergers stuff like eye contact, dislike of crowds/grps even 3-4 people can cause stress.

I am also very very picky in who i get along with and dont.

But yeh I mean 4-5 guys i play music with could work if i get on with them as people and musically.

How does that happen though i mean meeting these people lol
#22
You could post a craigslist ad or something. Maybe see if your local guitar store has a bulletin board or something where you could post an ad.

Just say you're looking for people to casually jam with, and briefly describe the kind of music you want to play. Put your phone number or email on the ad, and you should get some responses, provided the genres you list aren't super obscure.

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tbh its the aspergers stuff like eye contact, dislike of crowds/grps even 3-4 people can cause stress.
I don't know a whole lot about aspergers, but I can't really see this preventing you from playing music with others. I do see how it could be tough to meet other musicians, but that's what's so great about the internet. Maybe try finding one other guitar player or a bassist and start with that. Learn a few songs together, maybe try to write a few jams. Then if you start to feel comfortable around this person, try to find a singer or a drummer and work your way from there.

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I am also very very picky in who i get along with and dont.
How so? I mean I could say the same thing, but then again I can get along with most people if I really try. What is it about certain people that makes them hard to get along with?

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What I want to know is what can i do with guitar that is productive or even playing bars etc but does not involve others, but thing is I also prefer just playing lead and definatley not singing.
I mean you could get some bar/restaurant gigs playing background music, but you would probably want to play jazz, specifically chord-melody kind of stuff. No one wants to hear just a lead guitar player, just like how nobody wants to hear someone just strum out chords.

Maybe what you need to do is find a singer and play some acoustic stuff. You'd have to compromise your desire to play lead, but at least you would have an outlet for your music.
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#23
yeh cheers i aint into the acoustic thing really. I was at one point but now I find it far to mild and soft. I can do it though cause thats how I learned guitar playing acoustic songs and simple lead etc. I find it boring now though.

I prefer heavy lead or messing with effects etc.

As for people. Well I dunno theres just something wrong with my brain i dont really like being around people much at all. Ive been like this since high school. I have to be doing something to tolerate being with people, eg, playing video games, playing pool, playing sports, playing golf. I dont really like talking etc. I just dont know tbh. I cant even explain my brain. Thats when I mean only few people i can stand being around so i am picky. I dont really like conversations or talking much. tbh I often sit alone in my house for months lol. But by choice...I meet people and they say you must be so lonely etc etc..it annoys me people foresee me like this but its what i prefer.
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#24
That's the thing though: Playing music would be "doing something." Like I said, being in a band isn't about talking. I mean, obviously you have to communicate as a band, but the primary focus is making music.
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#25
Well if you're really having trouble with socialization and it gets in the way of doing things you want, you should probably get some professional help for that.

As far as music goes, you can still record things by yourself and expand your skills in the process by coming up with rhythm parts and writing new music.
#27
Music technology these days dictates that everyone must have fucking aspergers, then.
#28
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tbh its the aspergers stuff like eye contact, dislike of crowds/grps even 3-4 people can cause stress.

I am also very very picky in who i get along with and dont.


i have the same thing

get over it and stop being a bitch and you get used to it eventually
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#29
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Well if you're really having trouble with socialization and it gets in the way of doing things you want, you should probably get some professional help for that.


Yup, even if\when it isn't Asbergers a doctor can help with social interaction. So go and see one.
#30
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Im pretty good at guitar as ive been playing for years. Spent most my life locked in my room due to social issues which is most likely aspergers.

Anyway I could never play with other people or join a band because tbh i get fatigued/stressed etc around others and just want to do my own thing, hence i played guitar a lot.

But now i am good at the guitar what is the point?

If i sit in my room and play guitar for another 30 years by time im 60 or so ill be best guitarist ever lol.

What I want to know is what can i do with guitar that is productive or even playing bars etc but does not involve others, but thing is I also prefer just playing lead and definatley not singing.

I guess id just be like jimmy hendrix lol and turn up at some wedding and fill in as lead guitarist etc haha unlikely.

Just looking for some ideas really

cheers

Asperger Syndrom? You must be a genious! You can get good at some other instruments and record your own music (like Michael Angelo Batio), or to join in a online band! Count on me man! I know two Aspies, and they are the best persons!
#31
And you must know that you can be social. If some people can't understand you, don't care about them, they are idiots! I know it by my personal experience! Don't worry!
#32
You need a looper pedal with a build in drum machine.

My BOSS RC-30 is my most prized investment. Not only because you can have so much fun with it, but because it's a brilliant way to practice, it helps you to hear all the little licks you practice in context once you lay a little chord progression down, it really helped me improve over a short period of time.

I'm not saying get an RC-30, because for what it is, it's an expensice bit of kit. but i don't think it'll ever break being boss. it's practically indestructible.

If you have the money, you could consider this..
http://www.gear4music.com/Guitar-and-Bass/DigiTech-JamMan-Solo-XT-Looper-Phase-Pedal/OZQ
I've heard good things about it
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#33
tl;dr. The whole thread, that is, and right now I haven't drank my second pot of coffee yet, but I'll try.

You stated that social situations were fatigueing you. Well I don't know how the other posters came up with shyness but afaik this has nothing to do with each other. But it also doesn't necessarily have to be connected to your AS. I have a disorder in the autistic spectrum and in the past I would be fatigued very soon whenever I was around people and I couldn't rehearse any longer than about an hour or so. Well that wasn't due to my AS but more to something secondary, so maybe you'd better check whether you have maybe developed depression or similar. This isn't uncommon in Asperger's and similar conditions. I still have to deal with social difficulties and being misunderstood all the time but I've stopped falling asleep on bright noon just because I'm around people I like. I'm not saying this is necessarily the case with you but I suggest you should check that.

Maybe the band situation can help you overcome the fatigueing effects, given they're not due to your autism, but to something that has been acquired over time.

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#34
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Here's my idea:

Stop being socially inept, because you aren't going to pave the way for any real opportunities if you don't learn how to network and work with other people.

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#35
i have taught two guitarists diagnosed with aspergers.

case 1: went straight into grade 8 and learn't the song of his choice by memory.
Once he memorised what he wanted to play, we played it together in a band situation.

case 2: learn't three pieces for a guitar exam. played everything from memory. he passed the exam with a distinction. playing along to a cd backing track.

both cases resulted in a successful public performance.
i suggest you find a guitar tutor, we can mentor and gently teach you to fullfill your goal.
#36
Hey, interesting thread to me as I'm a guitarist with Asperger's also. Diagnosed a couple years ago. I also play pretty much alone, but have an urge to start playing with others because I feel that without that, my playing does stay one dimensional, I think there is something out there to learn and improve if I can play with others.

I would start by letting go of the limiting belief that you cannot enjoy socializing with others. If you believe that to be true, it will be. Once there were two men who each had to shoulder a large burden and carry it up a mountin. But the burden was very heavy and the mountain was very steep. One man thought he could do it, though it would not be easy. The other man thought it was impossible for him, though he went through the motions of trying. The first man succeeded, and the second man failed. The point is, they were the same man. It was belief that dictated success or failure, not any objective truth about whether they were or were not strong enough.

In my own experience, I realized my social anxiety comes on not simply when I'm around others, but when I am around others AND DO NOT KNOW WHAT IS EXPECTED OF ME. For this reason, I could be relaxed at family gatherings with close family for whom I felt no need to "perform." Similarly, I had a few long-term friends in high school and college where I eventually got comfortable enough around to just "hang" without any worries about whether I'd say or do something wrong.

I think you need to expect when you first meet new people, try playing music with others, you are going to be very nervous. Maybe get a xanax prescription or something. But if you stick with it, that will reduce in time. If you actually joined a band and you guys met and practiced regularly, evetually you will reach the point of comfort with them, they will no longer be strangers, you will not feel you need to put on an act, etc. You just need to "man up" and do it.

And you don't have to just jump into the fire. There are ways to ease into this. You can look for people to play with in online forums, even jam with people over the internet, so you find people you feel comfortable with and get comfortable (to some degree) with them before you ever set foot outside your room or meet them in person. Baby steps, is what I'm talking about.

Whether you do it in baby steps or take bigger steps out of your comfort zone, I do feel it is within your power to do this if you believe in yourself. There are plenty of books out there, too, for aspies on how to overcome this shyness / social awkwardness, or at least fake it. I'd hazard a guess you have not read any. If not, you are really ASSUMING something is impossible without doing a whole hell of a lot to try overcoming your obstacle.

Just some thoughts, YMMV.

~Ken