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mattmakaha
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So the great empires of the past fall eventually.

Will the USA follow that trend?? And if you think it will, when??

Eveyone says China is a threat economically. But it's asian countries in general (and no, I'm not saying that just because I'm asian). Take a look at the monster that South Korea is becoming. Chances are, your cell phone is made by a Korean company if you have a Samsung or LG smart phone. Nokia used to be number one in the world in cell phones, but right now, Samsung is kicking everyone's ass, even Apple's iPhone. Korea is the world's number one shipbuilder and Hyundai is a rising car manufacturer. In terms of Korean entertainment/propaganda, Korean dramas are so popular that professors from universities across the USA came here in Hawaii a couple of years ago to have a conference about Korean dramas and their effect on world culture, and Psy is currently the most popular entertainer in the world. Militarily, I think South Korea is making a fool of the U.S. US generals have said South Korea's military has advanced to the point that they can take on North Korea by itself, but yet the U.S. military is still there protecting the border, while South Korea sends it's own military around the world to protect new assets/resources.

Japan is still strong economically, but personally I think their corporate structure is flawed, because it doesn't promote youth and innovation hence Sony's stagnation, and many of their products are too focused on domestic Japanese tastes.

I'm not sure if it's a coincidence, but in Japan, citizens can't own a gun, and I think that holds true for South Korea also. In Japan and South Korea, in terms of video games, they like more cerebral genres like RPGs or strategy (Koreans are the best Starcraft players in the world), whereas Americans are fascinated with mindless shooters like Halo, and defend gun rights with a passion. In Japan and South Korea and much of East Asia (like Singapore and Taiwan), schools have very high standards in math and science where we americans are falling behind in.

All this doesn't make it seem so bright for we Americans.

What do you guys think?
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china isn't much of a threat, it is still a poor as **** country
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china isn't much of a threat, it is still a poor as **** country

With a huge army and a massive manufacturing plant, their domestic demand for chinese made goods is growing all the time, if they could manage to sustain themselves, they'd be a behemoth.
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With a huge army and a massive manufacturing plant, their domestic demand for chinese made goods is growing all the time, if they could manage to sustain themselves, they'd be a behemoth.


Also they could go to war whenever they want because they have a gigantic population around the age for soldiers and no congress to slow it down.
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china aren't replacing the united states any time soon is what I mean
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Also they could go to war whenever they want because they have a gigantic population around the age for soldiers and no congress to slow it down.

Almost, they have to import stuff like coal and iron ore to function still, but their government has already said that their coal consumption has peaked and all they need to do is invade a mineral rich country like oh say, australia and then they're all set.


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No, but america's reign as the worlds only superpower country is looking a tad shaky.
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china isn't much of a threat, it is still a poor as **** country


Uh...They are second on the list right behind the US with roughly about half of our GDP and gaining. With the way things are going now, they will probably surpass us within the next few decades if this keeps up.

And yes, I think the US will eventually fail. Not necessarily because the the economy, but because we'll get ripped apart from the inside out. People are getting pissed off and I think it's only a matter of time before someone does something stupid and the whole thing gets torn down once again.

I hope I'm wrong, but things aren't really looking good for us right now. It's the whole "united we stand, divided we fall" thing - half the country is at the throats of the other half and nothing ever gets done because of it. We can't go on like that for much longer. The whole debt thing is only making matters worse, too.
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The US isn't going to fall. The US will lose some "prominence" and other countries will start to rise. But nothing drastic is going to happen, but the world will be more "evened out" than today, but the US will still have the biggest net influence. No longer a super power, but more like the biggest "major power."
The only "fall" scenario that I can think of is a major economic disaster.
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Almost, they have to import stuff like coal and iron ore to function still, but their government has already said that their coal consumption has peaked and all they need to do is invade a mineral rich country like oh say, australia and then they're all set.



No, but america's reign as the worlds only superpower country is looking a tad shaky.


Well, if they are looking for coal than they are going to be coming after the United States sooner or later because we have the most of it. Second up to that is Russia and then China themselves.
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Well, if they are looking for coal than they are going to be coming after the United States sooner or later because we have the most of it. Second up to that is Russia and then China themselves.

They're weaning themselves off coal at an impressive rate and australia's got a heap of coal too, if I was china, I'd invade us, we're little (population wise), and fairly nearby and other nearby countries are pretty ****ed up except for new zealand.
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Uh...They are second on the list right behind the US


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They're weaning themselves off coal at an impressive rate and australia's got a heap of coal too, if I was china, I'd invade us, we're little (population wise), and fairly nearby and other nearby countries are pretty ****ed up except for new zealand.


Yeah, that would probably be the most strategic move for their evil plot of world domination.

But hey, **** it. I like Chinese food. As long as they don't mess with my cats I'm cool
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LMAO. Yeah, well in that case their ****ed and we're kinda ****ed but not as much.
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America will fall like the twin tower surrender monkeys.

China will financially cripple the USA then send its drones over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yeah, that would probably be the most strategic move for their evil plot of world domination.

But hey, **** it. I like Chinese food. As long as they don't mess with my cats I'm cool

I don't think they actually will because gaining economic status is far easier if other countries want to talk to you.
And over the past few decades, china has worked very hard to soften their diplomatic image, I doubt they want to just throw that away.
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I don't think they actually will because gaining economic status is far easier if other countries want to talk to you.
And over the past few decades, china has worked very hard to soften their diplomatic image, I doubt they want to just throw that away.


Probably.

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Yeah of course it will fall someday. Not sure if it'll be anytime soon though. Things aren't looking too good but it's not like it's the first time the country has been at a low point.
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Fun fact: America pays China (and Chinese companies) about 75 million dollars a day in interest alone.
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So the great empires of the past fall eventually.

Will the USA follow that trend?? And if you think it will, when??



America would need to be an empire first.
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America would need to be an empire first.



Watch confessions of an economic hitman on youtube.
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Probably in terms of being the most prominent powerful country. But Britain and France were huge empires too, Britain arguably the biggest empire ever, and they're not only still around but are still doing well.
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Well obviously America will fall one day, as will humanity as a whole, i think the question you're looking for is when.
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Eh, it might decline a bit more and stop being the total hegemon, but I can't see anything overtaking it very soon.
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Once the sun expands and consumes the Earth, all empires will fall.
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I think it is funny how people are scared of China, while they are approaching their constaints. Ofcourse countries can grow a lot when they are poor, but there is no evidence that they will surpass the Western Countries. Hell, currently they are already facing problems with the drink water supply, food, sanitation, environment, and they aren't even close to our levels of GDP per capita.
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I think it is funny how people are scared of China, while they are approaching their constaints. Ofcourse countries can grow a lot when they are poor, but there is no evidence that they will surpass the Western Countries. Hell, currently they are already facing problems with the drink water supply, food, sanitation, environment, and they aren't even close to our levels of GDP per capita.


Also, average quality of life (related to the issues you listed) might not yet be as high as in the west I think that's one aspect that many people overlook when talking about the economic emergence China, India, Brazil etc.
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