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#81
The US isn't going anywhere, its power will wane as China and other powers rise up, but it will still be a super power going well into this century. Emerging economies always have faster growth rates because, well, they're coming from basically nothing so growth is explosive when it happens. Eventually, China's massive growth will cool down. China is also plagued by a series of domestic issues like hundreds of millions living in squalor, massive pollution, human rights issues, supremely pissed off neighbors, etc

China has a very long way to go militarily as well to match the US. Everyone does. Right now, the US is pretty much the only nation able to project power on a world wide scale. Look at the French for example, they relied on the US to transport its troops to Mali and to refuel their aircraft.
#82
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The US isn't going anywhere, its power will wane as China and other powers rise up, but it will still be a super power going well into this century. Emerging economies always have faster growth rates because, well, they're coming from basically nothing so growth is explosive when it happens. Eventually, China's massive growth will cool down. China is also plagued by a series of domestic issues like hundreds of millions living in squalor, massive pollution, human rights issues, supremely pissed off neighbors, etc

China has a very long way to go militarily as well to match the US. Everyone does. Right now, the US is pretty much the only nation able to project power on a world wide scale. Look at the French for example, they relied on the US to transport its troops to Mali and to refuel their aircraft.


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#83
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America would need to be an empire first.


american empire?
You mean like the territory that was taking from native american indians??

Or the illegal overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy by the U.S.government in order to get Hawaii??
I live in Hawaii, and some native Hawaiians are trying to separate from the USA, it's called the sovereignty movement.
#85
"Korean dramas are so popular that professors from universities across the USA came here in Hawaii a couple of years ago to have a conference about Korean dramas and their effect on world culture,"

Bragging asian op.

The world watches the USA's media, I can't name a single Korean TV show or film.

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Also, average quality of life (related to the issues you listed) might not yet be as high as in the west I think that's one aspect that many people overlook when talking about the economic emergence China, India, Brazil etc.



Might not yet be as high as the west?

Rural China and basically all of India are terrible places to live in and are incredibly disgusting.
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#86
tl;dr America is gonna fall, China is taking over, if you're not American you don't give a shit, if you are - our sympathies
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#87
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They're weaning themselves off coal at an impressive rate and australia's got a heap of coal too, if I was china, I'd invade us, we're little (population wise), and fairly nearby and other nearby countries are pretty ****ed up except for new zealand.

As if this would happen when they can just buy it off of Australia, its probably a lot cheaper than attempting to invade a country.
#88
It depend upon how America acts in the future.

Let's take a look at Israel as an example, although it's not an empire but rather a nation. Historicaly Israel has been one of the most raided and captured places in history. It started off some time before about 3000 years ago as Canaan, which was under Egyptian rule, then it was taken over by the Hebrews and became the first Kingdom of Israel, then the Babylonians took over, then the Persians, then the Macedonian ruler Alexander the Great, then the Romans, then the Byzantines, then the Arabs, ect, ect, until today, we have a modern State of Israel which is still being fought over by different factions.

Y'see? After 3000 years of being fought over and taken over by every force around it, Israel is still there, because it wasn't considered as a threat to anyone, it was always an occupied place rather than a place that occupied other places. If it was considered as a threat to other places, like Babylon or Rome, then it's fate would probably eventualy have been the same as the Babylonian, Persian and Roman empires... which no longer exist.

I would suggest that the lesson that America needs to learn from history in order to survive indefinately as a nation is to not be considered as a threat by other nations.
#89
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Might not yet be as high as the west?

Rural China and basically all of India are terrible places to live in and are incredibly disgusting.


I guess that reinforces my point I've never been there though, and I'd rather not base my opinion on the things the media highlights. Hence the 'might be'.
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#90
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#91
I believe the USA will fall, but not the way many believe it will. I really think at some point in the next 50-60 years, Americans will see another group of states secede. The gap in cultures is still a big one between northern and southern states. Economies, as well as ideals are at times an extreme difference.
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#92
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american empire?
You mean like the territory that was taking from native american indians??

Or the illegal overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy by the U.S.government in order to get Hawaii??
I live in Hawaii, and some native Hawaiians are trying to separate from the USA, it's called the sovereignty movement.

the English called, they wanted to tell you how quaint that empire sounds.
#93
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#94
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Or the illegal overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy by the U.S.government in order to get Hawaii??
I live in Hawaii, and some native Hawaiians are trying to separate from the USA, it's called the sovereignty movement.


and surely that's the native population of Hawaii right?
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#95
America will not fall. If anything, I see america becoming the world government in the (pretty distant) future.
#96
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America will not fall. If anything, I see america becoming the world government in the (pretty distant) future.


how is that going to happen? by force or by a co-decision? i can't see anyone wanting that and i can't see america invading country after country to see it come true?

dumbest shit ive ever heard really.
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#97
Same with the states seceding crap. Why would anyone think that would ever happen? Rednecks in the south wouldn't secede ever ever ever, they love 'merica way too much.
#98
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Same with the states seceding crap. Why would anyone think that would ever happen? Rednecks in the south wouldn't secede ever ever ever, they love 'merica way too much.



You must not live in America.

I think this is possible. I personally doubt it would happen, but it definitely could. Just last week in our town newspaper a new policeman put a letter describing that if a gun ban passed (banning high capacity magazines, semi-auto firearms, and things like that), he would only help citizens. He said he would not seize any of their property because of that and would support their ownership of it.

If America's police forces are already showing signs of defection, there isn't much stopping another attempt to secede. Like I said, I doubt it will happen, but it's within a realm of possibility.

America will fall, there's no question about it. How they will fall is what I'm not sure about. I don't think it will be some piddly economic collapse or anything, this will be other countries teaming up to fight. I don't know when or who will really start it, but it will fall.
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#99
The USA's decline will be gradual, and it's already begun...

We will see it go from #1 world power to just another global player, just as irrelevant as the rest. Not necessarily a terrible thing.
#100
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You must not live in America.

I think this is possible. I personally doubt it would happen, but it definitely could. Just last week in our town newspaper a new policeman put a letter describing that if a gun ban passed (banning high capacity magazines, semi-auto firearms, and things like that), he would only help citizens. He said he would not seize any of their property because of that and would support their ownership of it.

If America's police forces are already showing signs of defection, there isn't much stopping another attempt to secede. Like I said, I doubt it will happen, but it's within a realm of possibility.

America will fall, there's no question about it. How they will fall is what I'm not sure about. I don't think it will be some piddly economic collapse or anything, this will be other countries teaming up to fight. I don't know when or who will really start it, but it will fall.

The south can secede

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#101
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You must not live in America.

I think this is possible. I personally doubt it would happen, but it definitely could. Just last week in our town newspaper a new policeman put a letter describing that if a gun ban passed (banning high capacity magazines, semi-auto firearms, and things like that), he would only help citizens. He said he would not seize any of their property because of that and would support their ownership of it.

If America's police forces are already showing signs of defection, there isn't much stopping another attempt to secede. Like I said, I doubt it will happen, but it's within a realm of possibility.

America will fall, there's no question about it. How they will fall is what I'm not sure about. I don't think it will be some piddly economic collapse or anything, this will be other countries teaming up to fight. I don't know when or who will really start it, but it will fall.


LOL WUT?

so because one redneck cop says he wont enforce the law, police forces across America are supposedly defecting? Defecting to where? The Confederacy? Any state legislature attempting anything like that would be shit on immediately by the Feds for ever trying it. I've not met a single person in our state who is like you described and there are some big gun toting rednecks in my family. The love their guns, but they love America more. None of this is even an issue to the average person in Arkansas as they are totally oblivious to anything happening outside of their own towns. What would this state do after it "succeeds" and half the population leaves while the US cuts of all ties and it dies a quick death? Succession is never going to happen. No one besides some far right extremist hicks thinks about it and even if more did, the federal government would shit on anyone trying to overthrow the state government or use it to succeed.
#102
Quote by WildthingJR
Also, average quality of life (related to the issues you listed) might not yet be as high as in the west I think that's one aspect that many people overlook when talking about the economic emergence China, India, Brazil etc.


Well gdp per capita, check out South Korea and Japan
#103
Well all empires rise, reach a crescendo and then they start to decline. I would say America was at it's peak just after World War II and right up until the election of Reagan. But now from an economic point of view, America is losing steam and Asia is gaining.

It all depends on whether the U.S. is ever supplanted militarily. If that were to ever happen, they the fall is inevitable.

God this depressing.

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#104
Quote by mattmakaha
american empire?
You mean like the territory that was taking from native american indians??

Or the illegal overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy by the U.S.government in order to get Hawaii??
I live in Hawaii, and some native Hawaiians are trying to separate from the USA, it's called the sovereignty movement.


The American Empire can refer to Hawaii (I pretty much support that movement by the way >_> but since America thinks that forcing a territory into statehood is considered 'decolonisation' it usually refers to when the Phillipines, Puerto Rico, Cuba, the eastern portion of Samoa, Guam , etc. were held (some of these are still colonies today).

It's really hard for me to simplify the complex issue of Hawaiian and Native 'American' sovereignty and whether or not that can be considered 'building an empire'.

Nobody challenged my other post so I guess that's all I have to say.
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#105
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Well all empires rise, reach a crescendo and then they start to decline. I would say America was at it's peak just after World War II and right up until the election of Reagan. But now from an economic point of view, America is losing steam and Asia is gaining.

It all depends on whether the U.S. is ever supplanted militarily. If that were to ever happen, they the fall is inevitable.

God this depressing.

ron666


China's beefing up its military at a pretty incredible rate. It's budget is thought to be around $200 billion and they recently announced a program to build 5 nuclear powered aircraft carriers by 2020. They are moving to push the US out of the region and they are on track to do just that very soon.
#106
Isn't China allies with the US?

I don't even know anymore, cyber wars and stuff.
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#107
i don't think so dude. chinas always stealing Americas secrets and hacking into our grids and stuff. plus making threats to us and our allies in the region. the next few decades could get frosty.
#108
Communism doesn't respect copyright, so 'Hello cheap crappy knock-off goods.'
But we trade with China? So - Idk, I think the UK is economic allies with China - ?
I'm thinking same goes for the US but, IDK, maybe that's because China own a debt or something, now, IDK, who ever said I know lied.
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#109
China ain't got many allies per se, just a lot of consumer nations looking for cheap labor and goods.
#110
We like China, China don't like us, but China don't like North Korea too, but then, hardily anyone does.
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#111
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China's beefing up its military at a pretty incredible rate. It's budget is thought to be around $200 billion and they recently announced a program to build 5 nuclear powered aircraft carriers by 2020. They are moving to push the US out of the region and they are on track to do just that very soon.


China's gonna have 6 aircraft carriers by 2020? <---- pretty late to the show don't you think?

The US will spend 633.3 billion dollars on the military in 2013, and the US Navy is larger than the next 10 countries navies combined. The US has 10 nuclear powered super aircraft carriers, with two in reserves, and two under construction. I wonder what kind of technological advances the US will have by 2020? Sorry, but China isn't even close, sure they may be much improved by 2020, but that's excluding that fact the US is too, going to be improving.

Oh and Chinas J 20 stealth jet fighter won't enter service till around 2017. The US stealth jet fighter, the F22 Raptor, entered service in 2005 and was actually built in the 90s. Just shows how far back China is technologically.
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#112
USA! USA! USA! USA!

Why I like America...

The people.

The culture.

The land/climate.

The chants such as
USA! USA! USA! USA!

The philosophy chosen in the founding of.
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#113
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China's gonna have 6 aircraft carriers by 2020?

The US will spend 633.3 billion dollars on the military in 2013, and the US Navy is larger than the next 10 countries navies combined. The US has 10 nuclear powered super aircraft carriers, with two in reserves, and two under construction. I wonder what kind of technological advances the US will have by 2020? Sorry, but China isn't even close, sure they may be much improved by 2020, but that's excluding that fact the US is too, going to be improving.


Except China's entire fleet is in the pacific and the US is spread across the globe. And this is just the start for China. It's military budget is growing like wildfire every year while the US is projected to slash it by what, 80 billion soon? China's main goal militarily is to challenge the US navy. It's matching US pacific fleet with aircraft carriers in the region and recently began deploying its DF-21D anti carrier missiles, which have a range of 1700+ miles. Well beyond the reach of any US carrier. Chinese subs have also penetrated US carrier defenses numerous times to toy with them by surfacing in plain view. They also have dozens of missile destroyers and nuclear powered subs being built. With their $2 trillion in cash sitting in the bank, they've got plenty of dough to throw around for their new upcoming navy.
#114
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Except China's entire fleet is in the pacific and the US is spread across the globe. And this is just the start for China. It's military budget is growing like wildfire every year while the US is projected to slash it by what, 80 billion soon? China's main goal militarily is to challenge the US navy. It's matching US pacific fleet with aircraft carriers in the region and recently began deploying its DF-21D anti carrier missiles, which have a range of 1700+ miles. Well beyond the reach of any US carrier. Chinese subs have also penetrated US carrier defenses numerous times to toy with them by surfacing in plain view. They also have dozens of missile destroyers and nuclear powered subs being built. With their $2 trillion in cash sitting in the bank, they've got plenty of dough to throw around for their new upcoming navy.


That just shows you how massive the US navy is. The US navy is spread out throughout the whole world, and yet it's still even with all of Chinas navy in their own region. And if China fires a DF 21D missile, the US will it shoot down. With their various missile defenses such as AEGIS and THAAD. And the US has 71 nuclear powered submarines as of today. And yeah, Chinas military is getting stronger, but you keep leaving out the fact that the US isn't just going to stay the same. It will keep growing too. Even if the US does cut 100 billion dollars from its military budget it will still have 533.3 billion dollars compared to Chinas 200 billion. And it's already going to spend 633.3 billion in 2013. The US is cutting defense budgets because there's simply no need to pay that much. But rest assured, if China does keep growing like it is, I'm quite certain the US would bump their spending up too... It would just create another arms race.

And China's military is decades behind the US.

http://defensetech.org/2011/06/08/chinas-military-tech-20-years-behind-u-s/
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#115
Look up the Type 99 tank, WZ-10 Attack Helicopter, Type 052C/D AEGIS destroyers, J-15 and the J-20 Stealth fighter. Just a few systems that match western counter parts.
#116
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But we trade with China? So - Idk, I think the UK is economic allies with China - ?
I'm thinking same goes for the US but, IDK, maybe that's because China own a debt or something, now, IDK, who ever said I know lied.

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#117
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Look up the Type 99 tank, WZ-10 Attack Helicopter, Type 052C/D AEGIS destroyers, J-15 and the J-20 Stealth fighter. Just a few systems that match western counter parts.


Okay, like I said the J 20 won't come into service for the Chinese till 2017, US has had its counter part (F 22) in service since 2005.

The Chinese have 500 type 99 tanks, the US has 9000+ M1 Abrams.

And the Chinese only have 3 052C/D AEGIS destroyers, but are planning to build 20+. The US has 62 Arleigh Burke class destroyers.

And not only does the WZ 10 helicopter not stand a chance against the AH 64 Apache, but it is completely out numbered, the Chinese has about 100 WZ 10s, while the US has over hundreds Apaches.

The US Navy is also the second largest air force in the world, followed by the US Air Force.

I mean, there really is no comparison. China is playing catch up with the US in almost every single category, and China still has a long ways to go to even be close. The US military budget also towers over the Chinese budget, and for every advance China takes, the US is already another step ahead.

If a war were to break out right now, the US would dominate the skies above China, and the seas around China. The US wouldn't even have to set foot on Chinese soil, just bomb its massive 2.3 million man army to submission, which has become useless without anywhere to go or fight.
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#119
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Just out of curiosity, surely Britain would be an exception to that rule?


Hard to say really, Britain, or at least sections of Britain, has historicaly been invaded and taken over by foreign forces several times in the past, for example by the Romans, the Saxons, the Vikings, the Normans, etc. But then after many years of cultural amalgamation Britain became an empire builder, but then again, Britain eventualy lost it's Empire but continued as a recognised world power, but only with assistence of other world powers as allies.
It certainly isn't seen as the threat it once was to other nations, although it's still seen as a threat to certain nations. I would conclude that Britain's stature as a threat to other nations is currently in some sort of ongoing flux.
#120
America is being sucked dry by the parasitical tribe of whom the world is waking to its nation wrecking, genocidal control of the West.

America will collapse. You're seeing the signs everywhere. Locally, state, and federal levels. The sooner the U.S. Government collapses the better. Genuine, freedom loving people can then rebuild from the local level upward to a form of government that will actually protect the rights of the individual which is the only true purpose of government.