Deadpool_25
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...or have tried one? (especially the 50W, but the big brother works too).

What are your thoughts on this amp? Any tips?

"Use an OD as clean boost!"
"You don't need any boosts!"
"Use an EQ!"
"Sucks at br00tz!"
"Volume diff between ch1 and 2 suxx0rz!"

That kind of thing...
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Quote by 311ZOSOVHJH
Are you looking for a new amp Deadpool?


otherwise - I've only played the big brother.

killer amp
didn't need an OD or EQ imo
handled drop tuned metal tightly
don't remember volume jumps
lots of girth and harmonics
never played the mini

Pretty much this. Amazing amp.
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Quote by 311ZOSOVHJH
Are you looking for a new amp Deadpool?


If by "looking for" you mean "impatiently waiting on", then yes. Not that I need one. The Tremoverb is pretty sick. But like I've said before...lack of need has never kept me from spending hard earned paychecks.

The volume jump thing is really only on the 50w because channel 1 and 2 share controls, including the volume control.

I don't know wth I didn't search...thanks Ippon. I'm just reading through some of those threads.
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I tried one (the 100 watt version) expecting it to sound like a more versatile 6505, and to a certain extent, it did. The cleans were far better and the classic rock crunch sounds were better.

However, I did not care for the lead channel. It DID NOT carry the br00tz the way a 6505/older 5150 does. Nowhere near. Would it work for some people? Certainly. But if you're after super gnarly chugging sounds, I can tell you it wouldn't have made me happy...
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i have a 6505, and i tried the 100w 5150iii in a GC.

it was way too smooth for my liking. didn't have a pair anywhere near the size of its peavey counterparts.

lots of fizzy junk in the high end


if you're playing "softer" metal this would be a good amp for you, but definitely not the br3wt4ls
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Quote by 311ZOSOVHJH

to me the 5150/6505 has 'a' metal tone

the 5153 has 'many' metal tones



it may be able to do more tones, but in my eyes it is a jack of all trades (tones) master of none amp


5150/6505, IMO, is the master of, well, brootz. and brootz is what i like. so, if you play mostly brootz and you want the best tone available for that, get the 5150/6505. if you play a wide range of genres, get something else
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Respectfully disagree with any claim the 5153 can't do what the 6505+ does in terms of metal. The lead channel is the wrong channel to use for chugging, use ch 2 with gain between eleven and one o'clock, turn up the volume and play. The 5153 lead channel has extreme gain, suitable for great sustaining, smooth leads, not ideal for chugging thru heavy, staccato metal riffs with desired separation between notes and riff segments. In fact, I rarely use the 6505's lead ch for similar reasons. The 6505 does have its place in the genre of course, a bit darker, rougher feel, though the EVH is absolutely capable of any metal genre on its own.
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Quote by dkunick
Respectfully disagree with any claim the 5153 can't do what the 6505+ does in terms of metal. The lead channel is the wrong channel to use for chugging, use ch 2 with gain between eleven and one o'clock, turn up the volume and play. The 5153 lead channel has extreme gain, suitable for great sustaining, smooth leads, not ideal for chugging thru heavy, staccato metal riffs with desired separation between notes and riff segments. In fact, I rarely use the 6505's lead ch for similar reasons. Great sounding metal riffs are not generally played with insane amounts of gain, a common misunderstanding (for those wanting the hottest pups, metal OD, etc.). The 6505 does have its place in the genre of course, a bit darker, rougher feel, the the EVH is absolutely capable of any metal genre on its own.



i'm talking about the original 5150/6505 series, not the II/+

the II/+ are closer to the 5150iii than the originals, imo of course
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i played the evh 50 watt a bunch the last couple of days.

i have to agree with dkunick about chugging away on channel 2. but i'm not a big metal guy so i'll leave it at that.

the volume difference between 1 and 2 is only real apparent at lower volumes. at band volume i don't think it's much of an issue.

it has the typical fender mexico volume pot that kicks up at a point. it's not going to do super quiet whisper volumes, it's just not made for that. it likes to be loud.

very versatile.
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So pretty much need nothing in front I guess. Cool. I'm thinking about running the M13 in 4CM with one pedal before the amp and three in the loop (as a basic setup). That seems plenty simple.
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Quote by Deadpool_25
So pretty much need nothing in front I guess. Cool. I'm thinking about running the M13 in 4CM with one pedal before the amp and three in the loop (as a basic setup). That seems plenty simple.

That's actually a great rig, I use two FX pre and two in the loop, ME pedal is very good. I may add another pedal for volume only at some point. The M13 replaced all but two pedals on my board, Phase 90 and Strymon Flint. The M13 can handle the reverb and trem fine but since I already have the Flint it frees up that channel for other fun stuff. Good luck with whatever you go with!
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Quote by BoneAndDream
i have a 6505, and i tried the 100w 5150iii in a GC.

it was way too smooth for my liking. didn't have a pair anywhere near the size of its peavey counterparts.

lots of fizzy junk in the high end


if you're playing "softer" metal this would be a good amp for you, but definitely not the br3wt4ls



Quote by BoneAndDream
it may be able to do more tones, but in my eyes it is a jack of all trades (tones) master of none amp


5150/6505, IMO, is the master of, well, brootz. and brootz is what i like. so, if you play mostly brootz and you want the best tone available for that, get the 5150/6505. if you play a wide range of genres, get something else


Yes. It is safe to say we do not agree here. Our opinions are different.


Quote by BoneAndDream
i'm talking about the original 5150/6505 series, not the II/+

the II/+ are closer to the 5150iii than the originals, imo of course


Again, I'd have to disagree. I'm not even sure how to address and I'm too tired.
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Quote by dkunick
That's actually a great rig, I use two FX pre and two in the loop, ME pedal is very good. I may add another pedal for volume only at some point. The M13 replaced all but two pedals on my board, Phase 90 and Strymon Flint. The M13 can handle the reverb and trem fine but since I already have the Flint it frees up that channel for other fun stuff. Good luck with whatever you go with!



Thanks! I actually have an M5 as well if I want to add another anyeffectiwant up front, but also have a few others I could possibly use. How do you feel about the Script Phaser (I think) model in the M13? It's supposed to be modeled after the Phase 90.
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Quote by Deadpool_25
Thanks! I actually have an M5 as well if I want to add another anyeffectiwant up front, but also have a few others I could possibly use. How do you feel about the Script Phaser (I think) model in the M13? It's supposed to be modeled after the Phase 90.

Both me and my previous instructor agree the Script model doesn't hold a candle to the actual pedal, I have the EVH MXR version. But there are several phaser models and all do basic phasing ok if you seldom use it. TBH, I haven't tried it in every point in the signal chain though, it could produce better results thru experimentation. I typically run it after boost but before the amp, may sound better in the loop?
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Good info, thanks. I was considering picking up a used Phase 90 if that was the case. I'll dig a little more but there are a few good deals on CL on Phase 90s so I may just grab one.
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Quote by Deadpool_25
Good info, thanks. I was considering picking up a used Phase 90 if that was the case. I'll dig a little more but there are a few good deals on CL on Phase 90s so I may just grab one.

Nice, put the knob at 9 o'clock and leave it there...pure phase bliss.
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I own a 5150 III 50 watt, gig with it frequently in a thrash/death band, big 4 cover band, black metal/Viking metal band, and a second thrash cover band, but have used it for other gigs as well. It holds up for all of that no problem. I see why people complain about the level or claim it doesn't do whatever they want, but I think its mainly user error. I am a sound engineer and I run it with some pedals or boards depending on the need of the show, but it does all sorts of great tones especially for metal. My advice is to ignore channel 2 completely, get a great noise gate use channel one for clean and channel three for leads and rhythms which can be if EQed right and if you want to accent it more add a tube screamer or a EQ pedal.

Definitely one of the best sounding tube amps I've played, ENGL Powerball II probably being runner up when you include the price as a factor. Also 50 watts is plenty, I never have had to turn it more than half way up. The whole 100 watts for head room doesn't really apply as 50 watts is more than enough head room. Even Diamond Head when I ran sound for them used Powerballs which are 100 watts but had their amps below 3 when playing live. The 5150 III is a beast of an amp, but does require some tweaking to get tones that both have great low end and great soloing capabilities. I've also used it on both a 2x12 EVH cab and 4x12s Marshalls and Mesa cabs, sounds good on all live.
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Quote by gregs1020
i played the evh 50 watt a bunch the last couple of days.

i have to agree with dkunick about chugging away on channel 2. but i'm not a big metal guy so i'll leave it at that.

the volume difference between 1 and 2 is only real apparent at lower volumes. at band volume i don't think it's much of an issue.

it has the typical fender mexico volume pot that kicks up at a point. it's not going to do super quiet whisper volumes, it's just not made for that. it likes to be loud.

very versatile.


I dunno, I had it fairly loud when I tried it and found that share controls between the 1st & 2nd channel unbearable. When I found a great sounding clean, it killed off what I wanted from the second channel, probably just me though

Didn't overly get on with the 3rd channel either, would have been far happier with just channels 1 & 2 with separate controls.

YMMV though.
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