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Barricade_28
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I've been searching for months for a guitar amp to achieve the tone I want but can't quite find it. I want an electric guitar amp that can achieve a monster heavy, metal tone with tons of bass for music similar to Doom metal, somewhat like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGRzstDcgO0. I need that deep bass punch since I often only jam with a drummer so I won't have a bass player. I also play thrash metal (Metallica etc) & hard rock (Zeppelin etc), as well as post-rock/indie rock so I need good cleans as well.

I've tried dual/triple rectifier stacks, peavey XXX2 stack, 6505 combo Valveking 212, Vypyr 75 and Vypyr Tube 60...the Valveking and Vypyr 75 (hated the built-in noise gate) come the closest because they have the deepest bass, but nothing seems to get enough low-end.

I'm wondering if I need to play through a bass amp, or some kind of combination of guitar amp and bass cab to get the low-end i'm looking for? Or do I just need an EQ pedal to crank the bass on ie: Valveking 112/212 or JSX 212, or will this not be enough bass or ruin the amp? What about ie: a JSX head running through a bass cab?

edit: I'm looking for a Doom/stoner sound, here's a video of the kind of tone I'm looking for: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKaGjhbA1Ps, especially notice the super heavy palm mutes starting at 2:45

- Budget: under $1000 would be nice
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- Current gear: Ibanez RG120, Digitech RP250 multi-FX, crappy 15w practice amp
- I play solo at home in my basement, and often jam with just a drummer, sometimes jam with full band.
- My city: Ottawa, Canada
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Try a Krankenstein +. More bass than ever needed.
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That tone in the video is probably one of the worst i think i've ever heard. Too each his own though, not trying to troll ya. most of the bass you are hearing is from an actual bass, so you really cant sound like that without a bass player. as for the actual guitar tone it resembles that of a marshall MG with the gain and treble dimed.
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splawn nitro KT88 with a randall 2x12"+1x15" cab. tons of tha lowz.
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You need a huge clean amp and a fuzz. Like an orange thunder verb, matamp, sunn, ampeg v4, traynor yba, fender twin, Marshall super bass, etc. then put a big muff in front of it.
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When you crank up the gain to 10 and switch to the lead channel, it actually sounds like you are unjustifiably bombing an innocent foreign land.


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Quote by ibanezguitars44
You need a huge clean amp and a fuzz. Like an orange thunder verb, matamp, sunn, ampeg v4, traynor yba, fender twin, Marshall super bass, etc. then put a big muff in front of it.


+1

i read doom a little different than i thought you described. and i will be honest i didn't look at the video until after. i for some reason was thinking more of like a deathcore than doom and was kind of sidetracked.

i love old sunn amps. hotdamn.
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I'm not huge on doom but playing it feels awesome. I plugged my friend's bass into his swollen pickle fuzz and acoustic 150 head and cranked it way up and it was just disgusting and awesome
Originally posted by primusfan
When you crank up the gain to 10 and switch to the lead channel, it actually sounds like you are unjustifiably bombing an innocent foreign land.


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I'm not huge on doom but playing it feels awesome. I plugged my friend's bass into his swollen pickle fuzz and acoustic 150 head and cranked it way up and it was just disgusting and awesome


i love doom and stoner as well but i need it a little (i guess you could say) active to appreciate fully. hence me being a huge acid bath fan.
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i would like to see a demo of this...
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i would like to see a demo of this...

http://youtu.be/Jh0XqHXFlQ0

Here's one.
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8-string?


That isn't brutal enough.

Get a 10 string and kick the bassist outta the band.
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An amp like a 5150 or dual rec would get you plenty of low end. The key thing to add to that is a solid cab (orange/mesa/splawn/avatar) and some thicker strings. You'd be shocked how much something as simple as a different string gauge can change your tone.

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That isn't brutal enough.

Get a 10 string and kick the bassist outta the band.



Bah. You can do that with an 8-string. Tosin Abasi approves of this message.
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Just because Sleep worship is a must in any doom thread, I'm going to throw out the Laney AOR Pro Tube 100. It's supposed to be closely related to the JCM800.

I've never played with one, but absolutely crushing live.
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Get some bass-heavy pickups in your guitar, if you don't already. Switching to a considerably larger string gauage will also help.

Using EQ units can shape your tone any way you need; if maximum bass thunk is what you want, try setting an EQ to boost the lowest frequencies and stick it in your amp's effects loop.

Make sure you have suitable speakers. You can't get monster bass out of a cheap, single 10"; it's hard not to get huge bass out of a a full stack of V30/T75.

Any valve amp that is powerful enough to comfortably drive two or more 12" speakers will go what you want. Peavey are a good brand for a slightly tighter tone, while Marshall and Orange are both good for a darker, sludgier tone. Of course, there are a million copies of their designs, too.
If you were willing to go for a solid state amp and buy used, I can recommend the Line 6 HD147, too. That thing is built specifically for putting out the heaviest low-end possible. Its lighter tones leave something to be desired, and you need to spend quite a while dialing in tones, but there's no other guitar amp on Earth that can make the floor rumble like the HD147 can.
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That new Schecter amp has a subwoofer in it.
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That new Schecter amp has a subwoofer in it.



I saw their advertising campaign right when it came out and immediately did a 180....if this is true, it certainly wouldn't surprise me.
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If you are going for Electric wizzard tone, I'd suggest a fuzz pedal, you might want to look at Boss FZ-2, which I believe is what Electric Wizard used at their first albums. As far as amp goes, Laney GH100 will do the job just fine. But mind you, that Electric wizard "dark tone" comes from their bass tone, which compliments the guitar.
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If you are going for Electric wizzard tone, I'd suggest a fuzz pedal, you might want to look at Boss FZ-2, which I believe is what Electric Wizard used at their first albums. As far as amp goes, Laney GH100 will do the job just fine. But mind you, that Electric wizard "dark tone" comes from their bass tone, which compliments the guitar.

This. I'd also look at the Laney AOR100 since that's what Liz uses.
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+1

i read doom a little different than i thought you described. and i will be honest i didn't look at the video until after. i for some reason was thinking more of like a deathcore than doom and was kind of sidetracked.

i love old sunn amps. hotdamn.


I'm not looking to play pure Doom. I just want a tone in that realm that has the gain and loads of bass. I know a bassist would be ideal, but I want to recreate a decent high-bass sound with just myself and a drummer.
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Yeah if you like kranks try Stiff Amps. Im not getting paid by them. I just really think these amps need more credit. There just revoiced and improved models that Tony made for Krank. The Dirthead would be the one i would recomend for you. $500 for the 20w and 600 for the 50w and 900 for the 100w as of last month it might change. All the gain and eq balance to find the best tone possible. And lowend for days!!!!! Hope you find your tone bud! Good luck!
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if you can find a Peavey Ultra they have tons of bass. the eq is active so you can boast the bass. as mentioned for electric wizard a fuzz is needed. i recommend a DOD Fuzz as they put out a heavy distortion sound with plenty of bass.
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sorry but, its not the amp dude,

its the cabinet, get a dual rectifier and a hughes and kettner CC412B and you will shit your damn pants.

I have carvin legacy and it sounds like a switched heads from my USA carvin cab and my avatar, and those are good damn cabinets.
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What he said.

If you want to get serious about it, use an octave pedal and play through bass & guitar rigs simultaneously. Look at some 15s & 18s, too.
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Remove V1 & V6. Put the 12AX7 from V1 into V6 and leave V1 empty. Try the vibrato channel.
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Originally Posted by trashedlostfdup
i would like to see a demo of this...

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i am not sure if you didn't understand or just don't know what you are thinking.

i was refering to one doing doom metal. it won't do it. i was jesting sarcastically.

honestly did you hear the demo? that isn't 5153 kind of tone.
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Mesa Dual tripple are 2 of the most bass heavy amps that are made.

I agree that your cab/speakers will have a huge impact. To me it seems that the Celestion G12h30 or clones are the best type of speaker for doom/stoner.

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It's already been said, but that tone is from a full band with a bass guitar. You'd be hard pressed to replicate that tone with a guitar alone.
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It's already been said, but that tone is from a full band with a bass guitar. You'd be hard pressed to replicate that tone with a guitar alone.

+1
My band is pretty heavy (kinda mastadon/ASG type sound, and I use quite brite settings: Bass 7-8, Mids 6-7, Treble 8-9, Presence 4

The guitars sound pretty heavy, but they are still fully distinguishable from the bass. We play in D-standard and Drop C, but that is nothing when compared to all the guys tuning to god knows what now days
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+1
My band is pretty heavy (kinda mastadon/ASG type sound, and I use quite brite settings: Bass 7-8, Mids 6-7, Treble 8-9, Presence 4

The guitars sound pretty heavy, but they are still fully distinguishable from the bass. We play in D-standard and Drop C, but that is nothing when compared to all the guys tuning to god knows what now days


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I play in double drop d.

you are such a show-off

I love it when people ask what tuning I use in my hardcore/punk band and I tell them E standard and they give me a blank stare
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Use a POG2 and crank up the -1 and -2 octave sliders.
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Quote by monwobobbo
if you can find a Peavey Ultra they have tons of bass. the eq is active so you can boast the bass. as mentioned for electric wizard a fuzz is needed. i recommend a DOD Fuzz as they put out a heavy distortion sound with plenty of bass.

The Ultra/XXX/JSX are very bright amps
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#37
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... with tons of bass for music similar to Doom metal,

...

I'm wondering if I need to play through a bass amp, or some kind of combination of guitar amp and bass amp to get the low-end i'm looking for? ...

Triple Rec through EVM12Ls or stretch your budget and get a Thunderverb 200 which is very good for both guitar and bass, also through EVM12Ls.

Or, use your existing amp + a Traynor YBA200 + EV115.

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#38
If you need doom metal tone with massive bass you need to go with Green amps.

That new Schecter amp has a subwoofer in it.

Not that a guitar, or for that matter a bass, outputs frequencies that low. I guess maybe it starts to make sense if you’re downturning a five string bass, but there aren’t many people actually doing that.
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#39
Run a fuzz pedal into a Fender Bassman type amp then have a 1x15" and a 2x12" should help.
Or just buy an octave pedal, take a split of your guitar signal to that then run that into a bass amp to fill up the low end.
I've done both during different phase of my band and they both work.
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If you need doom metal tone with massive bass you need to go with Green amps.

That new Schecter amp has a subwoofer in it.

Not that a guitar, or for that matter a bass, outputs frequencies that low. I guess maybe it starts to make sense if you’re downturning a five string bass, but there aren’t many people actually doing that.


i do have to point out that 15"s can sound very good. i have a Randall cab that has 1x15" Legend +2x12" T75's (oddly i know the combination works though) i can run any amp on it and it sounds deeper than my other cabs. right now my nitro is on top of it and its bassy as hell.

15"s work well but you just need to have the right frequency resoponse. i am sure that an actual subwoofer would have a different frequency response, but the proper 15" can sound great on a six stringer.

i hardly EVER down tune. E std/ drop D. athough i do have two guitars in C#std (drop B), but they don't see near as much use.

i have two empty cabs that i built that are pretty much done after i get the speakers and decide what i want. one will be just a straight up 15" the other is big enough for 2x10"s but probably will be a large 1x12"
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