#1
Alright, here's the deal.

I got myself a Mark V head last summer (Absolutely LOVE it!) and we all know how expensive the amp is, and of course, the type of tone that it can produce.

My band, once we get new members in the fold, we're planning on doing gigs soon, and as much as I would love to take the Mark V out, I'm afraid that it's far too expensive of an amp for me to risk taking it out for gigs and such.

Now, before you dish me out for this, I have many reasons as to why I'm hesitant, but the main reason would be that there have been many occurrences where people lately have been getting their gear stolen. This has happened a few times at what seems to be the most popular local venue in my state, for example, and I guarantee we'll be playing there at some point, along with many others in the state.

The worst thing that could ever happen is that my Mark V could get stolen, and I would be devastated if that were to ever occur, because I saved my hard earned cash for it, working many hours over the summer and it holds sentimental value to me.

I know some of you may think I'm being a big baby about it, and I've heard that the Mark V is very reliable and is built like a tank, and I believe it's both of those things, It's just the fear of getting it stolen by some jackass who doesn't even know how to work the damn thing to get a good tone is what I'm worried about.

So, long story short, I need a head to replace my Mark V head for gigging so that I can keep the Mesa at home and nice, and also for recording purposes and such. I've been looking at different amp companies like Peavey, Marshall, possibly another Mesa (Which would be really sweet), and some others.

Preferably Used, anywhere from 600-1000 bucks, Tube, and is known to be reliable. I play Thrash Metal, Death Metal, Hardcore Punk, Blues, and Progressive Metal.

Any help would be much appreciated, if you guys need more info, just let me know
#2
Put the Mark V on your insurance policy.

Or you could get a Dual Rec head of some flavor for inside or close to your budget? JSX or 6505. Marshall 410HJS maybe. Used EVH 5150. Etc...all used of course...actually a 5150 50W is in your budget new, the 100W you'd need used.
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#3
Quote by Deadpool_25
Put the Mark V on your insurance policy.

Or you could get a Dual Rec head of some flavor for inside or close to your budget? JSX or 6505. Marshall 410HJS maybe. Used EVH 5150. Etc...all used of course...actually a 5150 50W is in your budget new, the 100W you'd need used.


I saw an EVH 5150III Mini on Ebay the other day going for like 700 something, but it had a ton of bids on it.

Back in the summer when I was amp hunting, I remember, it was literally a coin toss between the Mark V, and the 5150III, but then I decided to pull the trigger on the Mesa, and I'm definitely more than satisfied with it, but it would be cool to own both.

The JSX really interested me, but I'd have to go try one out in person. I like the 6505, but I'd prefer to go the 5150 route. They sound just a tad better to my ears, even though some claim there isn't a difference at all.

As far as Marshall goes, I've looked at the DSL's and possibly a JCM900. A JCM800 would be REALLY killer, but it will be very rare to find those under a grand.
#4
JSX. Gah, I don't even need another amp and I want to buy one of those after hearing all the chatter on it around here lately.
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#5
I have a 5150 III mini on order from MF. Asked for a discount and they gave it to me for $850. No tax, free shipping.
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#6
Used Mesa Mark III/IV head
There is a Mark III head for $999 on GC used site. You see Mark IV head sor $1000ish from time to time.
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#7
Quote by Robbgnarly
Used Mesa Mark III/IV head
There is a Mark III head for $999 on GC used site. You see Mark IV head sor $1000ish from time to time.


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EDIT: Does it happen to be the one that I saw where it had white tolex?
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#9
Quote by madmax33096
Would you mind sparing the link?

EDIT: Does it happen to be the one that I saw where it had white tolex?

Yeah it has the white tolex and it is $899
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#10
Have you ever considered a combo amp? Like a Roland Cube or a Marshall 100 watt?
#11
JSX is pretty good for versatility. As cliche as it is now, might also want to look at the Vypyr Tube. Awesome backup/practice amp for cheap (I got mine used for $350).

The 5150 III sounds really really good but I don't think it's as good for as wide a range of stuff as the JSX is. Though it does do heavy modern gain better.

Maybe also look into a Marshall TSL.
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#12
Quote by almudjk
Have you ever considered a combo amp? Like a Roland Cube or a Marshall 100 watt?


Combo amps would be cool, but I'm mainly specifically looking for a head.
#13
Quote by Offworld92
JSX is pretty good for versatility. As cliche as it is now, might also want to look at the Vypyr Tube. Awesome backup/practice amp for cheap (I got mine used for $350).

The 5150 III sounds really really good but I don't think it's as good for as wide a range of stuff as the JSX is. Though it does do heavy modern gain better.


I'm not so sure, Offworld. The EVH might be even more versatile. With their cleans, both can do jazzy stuff pretty well and they can both do pretty much any rock genre. The EVH can maybe pull off blues a little better with the gain control on the clean channel.

However, it could be argued that the with a single pedal they're even closer--an OD can let the JSX do blues better and the EVH is missing a reverb so you'd need a pedal for that. Either way though, both seem outstandingly versatile.
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#14
Quote by Deadpool_25
I'm not so sure, Offworld. The EVH might be even more versatile. With their cleans, both can do jazzy stuff pretty well and they can both do pretty much any rock genre. The EVH can maybe pull off blues a little better with the gain control on the clean channel.

However, it could be argued that the with a single pedal they're even closer--an OD can let the JSX do blues better and the EVH is missing a reverb so you'd need a pedal for that. Either way though, both seem outstandingly versatile.


As this Thread is going, I have it narrowed down to 3.

EVH 5150III Mini, Peavey JSX, and the Mesa Mark III.

Still considering a 5150 too, but the above 3 are the ones that have stuck out to me so far.
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#15
Just wanted to point out that the 5150 and 6505 are the same amp, the only difference is the logo and maybe the stock tubes it shipped with. +1 for the JSX though
#16
i think they being a bit if a baby, a mark V is literally the worlds best gigging amp maybe.

how is it going to get stolen unless you play at a legit venue and your not on, so your amp is sitting in the back.

ive never seen an amp stolen hooked up on stage.....cause everybody in the bar would watch it happen / hear the chords come out....not to mention its damn near impossible to run our the door with a 40-60 pound object.

little things get stolen between sets, or backstage if there is a backstage. if your talking bars, i think your golden.
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#17
Quote by ikey_
i think they being a bit if a baby, a mark V is literally the worlds best gigging amp maybe.

how is it going to get stolen unless you play at a legit venue and your not on, so your amp is sitting in the back.

ive never seen an amp stolen hooked up on stage.....cause everybody in the bar would watch it happen / hear the chords come out....not to mention its damn near impossible to run our the door with a 40-60 pound object.

little things get stolen between sets, or backstage if there is a backstage. if your talking bars, i think your golden.


I'm talking gear, which means pretty much anything. This particular venue I'm talking about has rules to where before the show starts, and this is before the whole concert, you have to have all your gear set-up on stage and you have to let it stay on the stage until you're done with your set.

It's kinda hard to explain, because I've heard a million things from a million different people. The point is, that this particular venue makes it easy for someone to come and steal equipment. And I've noticed it's frequently only happened at this particular venue.

It's an all ages place, so no bar, but it's an extremely popular local venue and it's been there for close to 30 years.
#18
Quote by AxSilentxLine
Just wanted to point out that the 5150 and 6505 are the same amp, the only difference is the logo and maybe the stock tubes it shipped with. +1 for the JSX though


We've been discussing the EVH 5150 III, which is not at all the same as the original Peavey 5150/6505 models.

Oh...didn't see the last comment by the TS about the older 5150, so nm.

Quote by madmax33096
As this Thread is going, I have it narrowed down to 3.

EVH 5150III Mini, Peavey JSX, and the Mesa Mark III.

Still considering a 5150 too, but the above 3 are the ones that have stuck out to me so far.


and...

Quote by madmax33096
Alright, here's the deal.
I play Thrash Metal, Death Metal, Hardcore Punk, Blues, and Progressive Metal.


What kind of blues and what kind of prog? That will affect what you need for cleans. Do you want/need similar cleans to the Mark V? I was kind of assuming you did, but if that's not the case...
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#19
yep - classic music venue. that way its 10x faster to setup / breakdown between sets. so i see. no bar band.

well, obviously when somebody is on playing its safe.

in this type of venue, there is generally a backstage isnt there? why not just go chill back there after a set, smoke a cig or talk, and fake it while your actually watching the door to make sure nobody steals your stuff.

what i would do. ir chill out back in the parking lot or sumthin. clearly nobodys stealing it out the front through the crowds and bouncers....
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#20
Quote by Deadpool_25
We've been discussing the EVH 5150 III, which is not at all the same as the original Peavey 5150/6505 models.

Oh...didn't see the last comment by the TS about the older 5150, so nm.


and...


What kind of blues and what kind of prog? That will affect what you need for cleans. Do you want/need similar cleans to the Mark V? I was kind of assuming you did, but if that's not the case...


Well, Blues isn't necessarily my main genre, but it is a nuance of my playing, and I grew up on the stuff, so that's why I included it.

As far as Prog goes, I like band's like Dream Theater (Obvious one because of the amp I bought ), Rush, Symphony X, Progressive Thrash and Death bands like Toxik, Watch Tower, Deathrow, Early Megadeth, 90's Death, Atheist, Cynic, stuff like that.

And yes, cleans that are similar to the Mark V would be excellent.
#21
Quote by ikey_
yep - classic music venue. that way its 10x faster to setup / breakdown between sets. so i see. no bar band.

well, obviously when somebody is on playing its safe.

in this type of venue, there is generally a backstage isnt there? why not just go chill back there after a set, smoke a cig or talk, and fake it while your actually watching the door to make sure nobody steals your stuff.

what i would do. ir chill out back in the parking lot or sumthin. clearly nobodys stealing it out the front through the crowds and bouncers....

That's what I was thinking too, having maybe a friend or somebody that helps out the band, chill back there during the show and watches the equipment, even while we play and stuff.

It's not like I don't have a plan at all when it comes to playing gigs, it's just that I want to take as many safe precautions that I can in order to make everything run smoothly and to where everyone, including myself, can be happy, and my gear getting stolen would not make me too happy, to say the least.
#22
Yeah, I'd say a JSX or a Mark IV.

But, where is stuff getting stolen from this place? Off the stage? Out of a back room? Out of peoples vehicles as they load in?

Stuff gets stolen a lot around here, but I've been gigging on a regular basis for 8+ years and have never had anything taken simply because I'm smart with my gear. If it's on stage I can keep an eye on it... I also tend to run all my cables through the handle just so it will take someone more time to unhook it and walk away with it. I'm I'm loading or unloading my car I generally get someone from my band to wait with my car and someone else to hand around the stage. If my stuff is in a back room then I'll just sit between that and the nearest exit.

If you ever do decide to gig with it, take note of the serial number and consider stenciling your name on the side of it. Also.. If it's a combo it's 90lbs... Not easy to run with a 90 pound amp in your arms.
#23
I think your taking this a little far. I can under stand if you don't want to use it because of a certain venues atmosphere and you are afraid it will get damaged, stolen. But after many yrs of giging, I very rarely wont use my good gear (and it is mostly my guitars that I use sparingly)
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#24
What's the point of owning an amp if you're afraid to take it out of the bedroom/garage/baement? Take the Mark V to gigs and take some precautions, namely:

1. Buy a cover so it looks less appealing to would-be thieves
2. As soon as your set is over put it back in the car and lock the doors.
3. Be vigilant. Just keep your eyes open.

Basically a grand total of 20 minutes will save you hundreds of dollars of buying another amp that isn't even as good as the one you already own.
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#25
Quote by Robbgnarly
I think your taking this a little far. I can under stand if you don't want to use it because of a certain venues atmosphere and you are afraid it will get damaged, stolen. But after many yrs of giging, I very rarely wont use my good gear (and it is mostly my guitars that I use sparingly)


But it's not like I'm wanting to necessarily sacrifice my tone with an amp that's not good quality. At that point, I'd just go buy an MG series Marshall and have it NEVER get stolen, nor would I care haha.

But the point also is to keep it nice as well, along with avoiding it getting stolen. There are some whacked people out there, willing to do anything, so I'd rather be over prepared than not prepared enough.
#26
Quote by rockxwl
What's the point of owning an amp if you're afraid to take it out of the bedroom/garage/baement? Take the Mark V to gigs and take some precautions, namely:

1. Buy a cover so it looks less appealing to would-be thieves
2. As soon as your set is over put it back in the car and lock the doors.
3. Be vigilant. Just keep your eyes open.

Basically a grand total of 20 minutes will save you hundreds of dollars of buying another amp that isn't even as good as the one you already own.


You have a point there, It's just that I don't want to have to go the whole gig worrying about my gear getting stolen. The most notorious things that get stolen are pedals, and I have my Tubescreamer and my Decimator, and those are essentials for me, which I've heard a few people getting pedals stolen, most popular being that ones stated.

The whole point of this thread is to look at my possibilities, in case I needed a back up, or for my gigging amp to keep the Mark V nice and prevent it from getting stolen.

But, if it turns out that I gig with the Mark V, then I will be extra cautious about it and take your suggestions into account. I'd LOVE to gig with it, and it's not that I'm not willing to, it's just simply that I don't want it getting stolen or vandalized by some dumbass.
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#27
Well I keep an eye on all my gear through out the night and then I put it up as soon as I am done playing. Like I said I can see where certain situations it is ideal to use something not as nice.
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#28
Sounds like you need some good cleans. At your budget, JSX or EVH 5150III 50W IMO. And since you wanted the EVH before...

Still though, let's be honest...you'll be seriously pissed if any of these gets stolen.

Seriously, you should call around to a few insurance companies and ask if they can insure it under a renters/homeowners/other policy. Put like a $250 deductible on it and IF it gets stolen (and you should be super vigilant to make sure it doesn't) you get a new Mark V for $250 instead of spending $800ish now for something you may not really ever need.
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#29
Quote by rockxwl
What's the point of owning an amp if you're afraid to take it out of the bedroom/garage/baement? Take the Mark V to gigs and take some precautions, namely:

1. Buy a cover so it looks less appealing to would-be thieves
2. As soon as your set is over put it back in the car and lock the doors.
3. Be vigilant. Just keep your eyes open.

Basically a grand total of 20 minutes will save you hundreds of dollars of buying another amp that isn't even as good as the one you already own.

I've got an Egnater Armageddon but I use my 6505+ live for the same reason as TS
#30
Quote by AxSilentxLine
I've got an Egnater Armageddon but I use my 6505+ live for the same reason as TS


Thank you, finally somebody who sees my point of view.
#31
Quote by madmax33096
Thank you, finally somebody who sees my point of view.


Nah, we understand where you're coming from but we're also trying to make your life easier.

Ironically Marshall MGs do get stolen quite frequently... As do Line6 Spiders, Blues Jrs, and many other cheap or small light amps. Pedals and cables also tend to be a target. High end stuff generally doesn't get stolen that often. Why? Well... It's easier to sell something cheap than it is something expensive and something like a Mark V is quite rare and would be very difficult to sell without getting caught unless you take it out of state.
#32
Quote by icronic
Nah, we understand where you're coming from but we're also trying to make your life easier.

Ironically Marshall MGs do get stolen quite frequently... As do Line6 Spiders, Blues Jrs, and many other cheap or small light amps. Pedals and cables also tend to be a target. High end stuff generally doesn't get stolen that often. Why? Well... It's easier to sell something cheap than it is something expensive and something like a Mark V is quite rare and would be very difficult to sell without getting caught unless you take it out of state.


Yeah, I definitely see your point. It's easier to sell more familiar things to people like Cheap amps, cables, and pedals, but I don't want to risk ANYTHING. You never know what could happen, but in the long run, if I happen to get something else, it would be cool to have something as a back-up because I currently don;t have a back-up amp at the moment.
#33
Yeah, well there's a lot of love for the JSX here. Carvin V3 isn't a bad choice either.

Despite having a Mark V... I still miss my JSX from time to time.... There's one on craigslist for $450... So tempting.
#34
Quote by icronic
Yeah, well there's a lot of love for the JSX here. Carvin V3 isn't a bad choice either.

Despite having a Mark V... I still miss my JSX from time to time.... There's one on craigslist for $450... So tempting.

The V3 is a great amp IMO but sometimes have had reliability issues. The JSX on the other hand would probably still work while tumbling down a flight of underwater stairs
#35
Quote by icronic
Yeah, well there's a lot of love for the JSX here. Carvin V3 isn't a bad choice either.

Despite having a Mark V... I still miss my JSX from time to time.... There's one on craigslist for $450... So tempting.


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#36
Quote by AxSilentxLine
The V3 is a great amp IMO but sometimes have had reliability issues. The JSX on the other hand would probably still work while tumbling down a flight of underwater stairs


That's why I'm considering it, for the reliability and some of the sound clips I've heard. I need to test drive one in person first before I decide anything, that and the Mark III.

Mark III's aren't exactly the easiest to come by. The JSX is a little more common so I'd probably be able to test drive one here pretty soon if I scope out for one.

I've played the 5150III (The big 100w brother) and I REALLY dig the tone of those, and I could possibly see about trying out the mini, even though there won't be much of a difference. Those are hard to come by used too, so we'll see what happens there.

I've played on plenty of 6505's and a couple 5150's, so I got a pretty good idea what those are gonna be like, and they're far more common to find. So if I pull the trigger on one of those, then that wouldn't be an issue finding one. That's IF I go that route.
#37
Man TBH I'd feel almost as sick if I lost a back up JSX, 5153, 6505/5150, Mark III, etc

Why not just get a Kensington lock or bike lock and lock the head to the cab? No one is going to be able to pick all of that up.