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What do you guys think of the hair metal and glam rock bands that have sprung up so fast in recent years? My personal belief is that they make true rock look way too easy, and less people are learning their instruments well because they think as long as they're good at putting on makeup and hairspray, they don't need to bother with the songwriting.
#3
im quite unaware of the trends of music as I never watch tv, listen to radio or read magazines. But most fads put their weight on images rather than music, and that's not good for the music at that point, but I think it somehow is for the better for music in the long run. Those who are genuinely interested in music will go deeper and beyond it and work on songwriting, production value and such. And those who are not into that will stick with the fads or be gone again in a few years.
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How does it make it look too easy? Steel Panther have some sick riffs and solos. This just sounds like a genre bashing thread.
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Easy? I play hair metal, and while every band (hair band or not) is going to have different levels of talent, I don't think hair metal has ever been considered an "easy" genre. Keep in mind, Steve Vai, Paul Gilbert, Andy Timmons, Jason Becker, *arguably* Slash, were all in hair metal bands. I will admit that the modern hair bands don't seem to be any where near as talented as the hair bands from back then, but I wouldn't go as far as "easy". If hair metal is easy, than what would a band like blink-182 be considered? I'm not very familiar with "true" rock either, could you explain what that is?

How a band chooses to dress has nothing to do with their musical integrity. If you put a CD in, it isn't going to matter if the lead singer has on more makeup than your girlfriend, you're not going to be able to tell a difference. That's true for any band. For all we know, Metallica could've recorded The Black Album completely naked wearing clown makeup. But could you tell by listening to the CD? No, you can't. We do the visual side of it because we believe that it adds to the experience. I'd rather go to a show where the band actually tries to entertain you. Costumes, makeup, outrageous stage setups, it just makes for a better show in my opinion. If that isn't your opinion then their isn't anything wrong with that, and your opinion isn't any more or less valid than mine. I highly doubt hair metal is causing musicians to not properly learn their instrument. Their are so many different techniques in the songs, different scales, modes, harmonies, chord changes and progressions, it's limitless. I know a hell of a lot more theory from playing hair metal than any of the "metal" bands in town, where all they do is tune their low E string down as low as they possibly can and just chug it for the entire song. A lot of those bands don't even have guitar solos in their songs because the guitarists don't understand scales or how to properly compose one, but this is just ONE town and probably isn't a good representation for the rest of the world, haha

I'm not trying to start an argument or anything, I just wanted to maybe give you some insight into the genre. It isn't for every one, and that's okay. I respect your opinion
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Guns N' Roses was not hair metal... I don't think.

I think they saved us/the world from Hair Metal, tbh.
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How does it make it look too easy? Steel Panther have some sick riffs and solos. This just sounds like a genre bashing thread.

This.
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Guns N' Roses was not hair metal... I don't think.

I think they saved us/the world from Hair Metal, tbh.

They technically are. They certainly have a lot in common with a lot of other glam bands at the time.
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I don't really care what genre you put them in, there still fucking cool
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They technically are. They certainly have a lot in common with a lot of other glam bands at the time.

I think AFD saved us from Hair Metal and the 80's scene.
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Guns N' Roses was not hair metal... I don't think.

I think they saved us/the world from Hair Metal, tbh.


I think they weren't too far off from it in the beginning. I would classify them as hard rock or something similar before hair metal, but they weren't that far away from it either. Bluesy riffs, higher pitched singing, massive drum beats, big catchy choruses... Sounds pretty close to me. They weren't Poison or Def Leppard, but it was a pretty broad genre. I only read his book once but think he played for some bands that were a little lighter before he played for GN'R but I could be wrong about that
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Does anyone else think the whole "Hair Metal" thing is a load of BS created by people who aren't old enough to remember it?

I was there, and during the era the phrase refers to we had a name for the music these bands were playing. It was called "Heavy Metal".

TS - If you think the stuff these bands play is too easy, you're obviously a guitar god and we should all worship at your feet. I assume you can provide us with a list of all your million selling albums so we can go away and hear how it should be done.

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Does anyone else think the whole "Hair Metal" thing is a load of BS created by people who aren't old enough to remember it?

I was there, and during the era the phrase refers to we had a name for the music these bands were playing. It was called "Heavy Metal".

TS - If you think the stuff these bands play is too easy, you're obviously a guitar god and we should all worship at your feet. I assume you can provide us with a list of all your million selling albums so we can go away and hear how it should be done.


it might be technically hard/tricky but the song structures and the creativity is rather low at best.
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I think AFD saved us from Hair Metal and the 80's scene.

I'd much rather listen to Motley Crue than Nirvana tbh.
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Does anyone else think the whole "Hair Metal" thing is a load of BS created by people who aren't old enough to remember it?

I was there, and during the era the phrase refers to we had a name for the music these bands were playing. It was called "Heavy Metal".

TS - If you think the stuff these bands play is too easy, you're obviously a guitar god and we should all worship at your feet. I assume you can provide us with a list of all your million selling albums so we can go away and hear how it should be done.


The problem with calling it "heavy metal" is that everyone now a days thinks that heavy metal means brutal, fast, screamo stuff. We used to say we were a heavy metal band as opposed to a hair metal band, until we realized the band down the street who sounded just like Children of Bodom were calling themselves heavy metal, and then the band on the next block who added Nirvana lyrics over breakdowns started saying they played heavy metal. It just makes more sense to market ourselves as hair metal, at least then the bars know what to expect when we get booked. It is kind of a derogatory term though
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Don't be daft, TS wouldn't do something like that.

Stop being a knob and join in our discussions
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Don't be daft, TS wouldn't do something like that.

Stop being a knob and join in our discussions


Okey dokey


Something something hair metal. Something something make up.


There, that should do it.
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The problem with calling it "heavy metal" is that everyone now a days thinks that heavy metal means brutal, fast, screamo

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I believe I've only used that word once in this thread. A lot of the grindcore, thrash, doom type bands around here call themselves "screamo" but you're right, I'm not really sure what would constitute a band to that category. No disrespect intended
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hair metal is pretty gay
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Hair Metal, it was cool back then... It's how young people dressed up, went out, and ****ed each other.

Now it's all tight jeans clean cut and stuff, but, the principal's the same.
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Does anyone else think the whole "Hair Metal" thing is a load of BS created by people who aren't old enough to remember it?

I was there, and during the era the phrase refers to we had a name for the music these bands were playing. It was called "Heavy Metal".



I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking this, even though I was born in the 90's. I cringe every time I hear the words "Hair metal". It's not a genre. There were a shitload of bands in the 80's who wore spandex and make-up and had big hair. Even Iron Maiden and Pantera went through such phases.

OT: I think Steel Panther is about the only band that matches the general idea of "Hair Metal" nowadays. Or in other words, the only band with significant popularity. I pretty much hate that band, because they abuse every stereotypical element of "Hair Metal" to cover up for the fact that their music is hardly interesting. I also think their lyrics are terrible and that they're evidence of how little they take themselves serious. I'm not saying that lyrics are always supposed to be deep and meaningful, but with lyrics like 'She had boobs like water melons and breathe like rotten eggs' you really have no musical integrity.
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I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking this, even though I was born in the 90's. I cringe every time I hear the words "Hair metal". It's not a genre. There were a shitload of bands in the 80's who wore spandex and make-up and had big hair. Even Iron Maiden and Pantera went through such phases.

OT: I think Steel Panther is about the only band that matches the general idea of "Hair Metal" nowadays. Or in other words, the only band with significant popularity. I pretty much hate that band, because they abuse every stereotypical element of "Hair Metal" to cover up for the fact that their music is hardly interesting. I also think their lyrics are terrible and that they're evidence of how little they take themselves serious. I'm not saying that lyrics are always supposed to be deep and meaningful, but with lyrics like 'She had boobs like water melons and breathe like rotten eggs' you really have no musical integrity.

Iron Maiden? Dude, Iron Maiden always play Heavy Metal!!! Long hair and leathers was just a fashion these days..... Make up? NO WAY!!! Bruce Dickinson is the only guy on earth who can wear snake skin pants and still seem more man than any other man!
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Iron Maiden? Dude, Iron Maiden always play Heavy Metal!!! Long hair and leathers was just a fashion these days..... Make up? NO WAY!!! Bruce Dickinson is the only guy on earth who can wear snake skin pants and still seem more man than any other man!

That's exactly my point. 'Hair Metal' isn't a genre because bands of all kinds of different genres wore these sort of outfits. I'll admit that using make up wasn't as widespread but the clothes were almost everywhere.
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That's exactly my point. 'Hair Metal' isn't a genre because bands of all kinds of different genres wore these sort of outfits. I'll admit that using make up wasn't as widespread but the clothes were almost everywhere.

Yeah man!!! You're right!!! +1
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I think modern bands that takes that genre, music and image and parody it are awesome. You've got The Darkness for the 70's and then Steel Panther for the 80's. I love bands like that. I've never got on with Steel Panther but I love what they do. And I love the Darkness. The fashion, the fact they're pretty awesome guitarists, live shows and they have the best Les paul tone ever.
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What do you guys think of the hair metal and glam rock bands that have sprung up so fast in recent years? My personal belief is that they make true rock look way too easy, and less people are learning their instruments well because they think as long as they're good at putting on makeup and hairspray, they don't need to bother with the songwriting.

I don't care if you like hair metal or not, but the reasons you've just listed for disliking it are possibly the most ridiculous imaginable.

Have you ever listened to a hair metal song? Most of the guitarists epitomise the "lock yourself in your bedroom and practice all day" stereotype.
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Does anyone else think the whole "Hair Metal" thing is a load of BS created by people who aren't old enough to remember it?

I was there, and during the era the phrase refers to we had a name for the music these bands were playing. It was called "Heavy Metal".


I was there too. We called it "Glam" and "Hair Metal" then. It sucked then. It still sucks now.

Except for Steel Panther... they're hilarious.
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I was there too. We called it "Glam" and "Hair Metal" then. It sucked then. It still sucks now.

Except for Steel Panther... they're hilarious.

Glam Metal was often used as a sub-genre of heavy metal, but I never saw the phrase 'Hair Metal' during the 80s or early 90s. I'm not sure when it first appeared, but it definitely wasn't around back in the day.

It certainly does suck though.

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I don't care if you like hair metal or not, but the reasons you've just listed for disliking it are possibly the most ridiculous imaginable.

Have you ever listened to a hair metal song? Most of the guitarists epitomise the "lock yourself in your bedroom and practice all day" stereotype.
This. EVH used to decline going to parties and instead preferred to stay home and play guitar.

Most "hair" metal bands don't dress up in ridiculous colors and makeup (glam rock, maybe), and even then, the dress code should have zero effect on the music you play.

Listen to Slade, Poison, Dokken, The Sweet, W.A.S.P., Warrant, Extreme, Skid Row, Hanoi Rocks, and Whitesnake, one after the other, and tell me they sound the same. They don't, at all. You might not like all of them (or any of the ones listed), but it goes to show that it's very likely you'll find a "glam" rock/metal band out there that fits your style. Every band in that style has its own sound, and to say that all glam sucks is to dismiss many, many bands that sound very different from one another.
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Glam Metal was often used as a sub-genre of heavy metal, but I never saw the phrase 'Hair Metal' during the 80s or early 90s. I'm not sure when it first appeared, but it definitely wasn't around back in the day.

It certainly does suck though.


Granted, I was in my late teens/early 20s in the mid-late 80s, so my memory is admittedly a bit of a blur. But I distinctly remember me and my friends going on and on about how "Glam" and "hair bands" were ruining metal. Maybe it was a regional thing.

But yeah, not all 80s bands were Glam/Hair Metal. Probably not even most. We were specifically referring to the bands that went bonkers with the hairspray and makeup... such awful acts as Poison, Warrant, Cinderella, Stryper, Winger, Skid Row... crap like that. Crue and GNR were sort of borderline for me.
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for what you all have been saying i understand that what we call "Glam" metal it's just hard rock but with people dressing up and using make up?
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Hair metal rocked.

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