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Hi! Am seeking one last pedal for my amplifiers.
Please share your opinions on True Analog Tremolo Pedals. Thank you


Seeking/Searching/Investigating =
An analog TREMOLO footswitch/pedal that has
one or two preamp tubes (12AX7 or 12**7 or whatever)
for DEDICATED TREMOLO, not vibrato. A true analog tremolo pedal.

Anybody have experience with:
1) Electro Harmonix Wiggler
2) Effectrode Delta-Trem Tube Tremolo
3) and expecially the Nady TTV-2


Reason for analog? Want that old surf/rockabilly vibe.
Digital Tremolo/Vibrato pedals all quite abundant.

So far, the above three are analog Tremolo pedals I have explored.
They each have two (2) 12AX7 tubes installed.

PLMK if you like or dislike any/all and why?
Also, will be very happy to investigate any suggested true analog tremolo pedals.
Looking to purchase by June 2013


Thanks for any experiences or shares. Toppscore
Last edited by Toppscore at Mar 14, 2013,
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I get analog, but why with tubes? No tubes =/= Digital.

Young Pedals The Looker / Fulltone Supa Trem would do the job pretty damn well.
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Sorry, no exp with tube tremolo fx but I will say the Strymon Flint is amazing and can definitely nail the sound you're after.
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Quote by AcousticMirror
Very nice. Cannot locate one, and are high priced.
Liked the description sooooooo much, I added it to the above list.
Will keep the "Delta Trem" by Electrode on the "look-out" mode.
Thanks.
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Quote by SimplyBen
I get analog, but why with tubes? No tubes =/= Digital.
Young Pedals The Looker/Fulltone Supa Trem would do the job pretty damn well.
From my studies, the tremolo pedals fall into three categories:
1) All Digital
2) Digitally designed Analog
3) Analog

In my opinion, most all tremolo pedals will to an darn good job.
Not seeking a "darn good job".
Simply seeking 12AX7 or 12**7 preamp tube based true analog Tremolo pedal.


IMHO, the Tremolo (volume) and Vibrato (pitch) tones are derived from
different design circuit sources. The Tremolo from true analog 12AX7
preamp tubes is real analog and is similar towards 1960s Fender tube amps.

Digital can sound fine. Think of all the modeling amps, preamps, effects
and pedals ~ all digital and all are readily available ~ and at low prices
to high prices. Analog is different and usually from medium to high pricing.

The Fulltone Supra Trem is not analog from tubes, but analog from a
digital designed circuit. Also, I'm not saying analog is better than digital
or digital is better than analog or one sounds better than the other.

I've decided to buy a 12AX7 or 12**7 based true analog tremolo,
simply to review and check it out. Thanks.
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Sorry, no exp with tube tremolo fx but I will say the Strymon Flint is amazing and can definitely nail the sound you're after.

Wow!!! The Strymon Flint and other pedals look hot and pricy.
Maybe next round when I upgrade. Thanks. Toppscore
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i have seen schematics around for a standalone tube tremolo unit. i will make one some day. i don't know whose the tremolo is replicating.

there are schematics of Fender tube reverb units as well (aware thats not what you are looking for), but cool. i will make on of those too.
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OK. I want to thank all Ultimate Guitar members for their input. I purchased:

Boss TR-2 Tremolo new for $79.99 total


Decided to get new, quality, famous name, history of good reviews,
known for it's tone/sounds & reliability. I was intially seeking
12AX7 based tube pedals, but the one's I like are for my next budget.

Definitely will not give up on tube pedals. Will wait till I explore my current line-up
and have the budget for the best all tube tremolo pedal. Thanks again
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OK. I want to thank all Ultimate Guitar members for their input. I purchased:

MXR [Dunlop] M-115 Distortion III Overdrive/Distortion Pedal

I researched true analog distortion pedals with 12AX7 tubes, but could find nothing
desirable within my current $125/below price range. Therefore, decided to seek a quality
"Lower-end", name brand, resale-able well know famous, well tested tremolo pedal.

Paid on EBay $69.99 total for a Brand New Boxed MXR M115 Distortion III

This Ultimate Guitar REVIEW section rated MXR-M104 & MXR-M115 TREMOLO
pedals as the best of all the tremolos reviewed I found within the $125/below
price range. After checking YouTube for comparisions, the MXR-M115 is for me.

Definitely will not give up on tube pedals. Will wait till I explore my current line-up
and have the budget for the best all tube tremolo pedal. Thanks again


Ok...weren't we talking tremolo fx? Confused...
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Ok...weren't we talking tremolo fx? Confused...



You are absolutely correct

I purchased the Boss TR-2 Tremolo new for $79.99 total.


Also, I purchased:
MXR [Dunlop] M-115 Distortion III Overdrive/Distortion Pedal new for $69.95 total
Boss DD-3 Delay Guitar Effect Pedal new for $86.00 total
DigiTech HardWire DL-8 Delay Pedal near-new for $92 total

Got some help on these as well, and I like to thank all for their responses.
Thanks. Toppscore
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If you ask, "why two delays???"
Both were highly rated in the under $140 group of delays,
and the prices on these were extremely attractive.
Now get a chance to A-B them with my amps, then decide. Toppscore
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Ah ok, HNGD then. Have fun with the new fx.
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Digitally designed analog? WTF are you talking about and could you please refer me to your drug dealer.
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^Exactly what I was thinking
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Quote by Toppscore
If you ask, "why two delays???"
Both were highly rated in the under $140 group of delays,
and the prices on these were extremely attractive.
Now get a chance to A-B them with my amps, then decide. Toppscore


what i ask is why two digital?

an analog delay and a digital would be better than two digital delays. much more utilitarianism.

but most certainly, HNGD!
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Digitally designed analog? WTF are you talking about and could you please refer me to your drug dealer.


Grumpy Old One . . . .
Talk to MXR and a trillion other pedal products:

Tell me how many analog tubes in the following MXR?
Dunlop MXR M169 - Carbon Copy Analog Delay Guitar Effect Pedal
Tell me it without a circuit board and any "hi-tech" chips with
design to emulate "analog".

Maybe I am wrong, Grumps, but I'll bet the inside circuit board
has programmed chips/ICs. Doesn't sound toooooo analog to me.
What do you think?
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Quote by ihartfood
wanted a 12AX7 trem pedal bought a boss Well you lost me there


Sorry to lose you. Gotta read up a bit.
"Definitely will not give up on tube pedals. Will wait till I explore my current line-up
and "have the budget for the best all tube tremolo pedal". Thanks again
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what i ask is why two digital? an analog delay and a digital would be better than two digital delays. much more utilitarianism. but most certainly, HNGD!



If you ask, "why two delays???"
Both were highly rated in the under $140 group of delays, and the prices
on these were extremely attractive to get both and "hear for myself"
Now get a chance to A-B them with my amps, then decide. Toppscore
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Toppscore:

You are an asshat.
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Grumpy Old One . . . .
Talk to MXR and a trillion other pedal products:

So using CAD/CAM software to design the PCB layout? Wtf isn't done that way? Nobody uses Bishop's Graphics any more. What exactly does "digitally designed" actually mean? They used a calculator instead of an abacus to calculate the bias points? What does it mean? Sounds like some marketing bs that you've fallen for to me. Digitally designed - give me a friggin break.
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Toppscore:

You are an asshat.


+1

secondly who is telling you that those are the best in the $140 market? i would love to know. you could get something much better for that. hell payed $90ish for my malekko, which is still really cheap in the gear world. you could have found a carbon copy for that too. but then why would you want two analog delays? or maybe one of the top and something from TC.
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Quote by Toppscore
Grumpy Old One . . . .
Talk to MXR and a trillion other pedal products:

Tell me how many analog tubes in the following MXR?
Dunlop MXR M169 - Carbon Copy Analog Delay Guitar Effect Pedal
Tell me it without a circuit board and any "hi-tech" chips with
design to emulate "analog".

Maybe I am wrong, Grumps, but I'll bet the inside circuit board
has programmed chips/ICs. Doesn't sound toooooo analog to me.
What do you think?

riiiiiiight, so the presence of ICs means that it's not analog. so let's throw out all our classic analog pedals, such as the tubescreamer, rat, every bucket-brigade delay/chorus/flanger ever...do i need to keep going? i think you're high, and if so, please sell me some of your stash.
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Yet another thread by Toppscore where he asks for suggestions and then in two days or less buys a Boss pedal on eBay which no one suggested. Bravo!
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Yet another thread by Toppscore where he asks for suggestions and then in two days or less buys a Boss pedal on eBay which no one suggested. Bravo!

i just found that thread. holy hell my sides
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Toppscore: You are an asshat.


Your are what asshats generate
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So using CAD/CAM software to design the PCB layout? Wtf isn't done that way? Nobody uses Bishop's Graphics any more. What exactly does "digitally designed" actually mean? They used a calculator instead of an abacus to calculate the bias points? What does it mean? Sounds like some marketing bs that you've fallen for to me. Digitally designed - give me a friggin break.


Sounds like you've been snookered.
Tube Dude! Without the tube, whadda got? NOT real analog.
Just some fake marketing ploy you've invested in.
Get into tube, dude and enjoy a friggin break from digital.
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Quote by trashedlostfdup
+1 secondly who is telling you that those are the best in the $140 market? i would love to know. you could get something much better for that. hell payed $90ish for my malekko, which is still really cheap in the gear world. you could have found a carbon copy for that too. but then why would you want two analog delays? or maybe one of the top and something from TC.


WTF? You must be Trashed Lost & F'd-up'd.
But, you do have an opinion.
Ohhh. An opinion??? Must be right

Malekko? . . . . . enough said
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riiiiiiight, so the presence of ICs means that it's not analog. so let's throw out all our classic analog pedals, such as the tubescreamer, rat, every bucket-brigade delay/chorus/flanger ever...do i need to keep going? i think you're high, and if so, please sell me some of your stash.
Exactly. There'd be more analogue chips in existence than digital most likely. They've certainly been around for a lot longer.
It's silly shit. So the circuit was emulated in Spice before it's prototyped? That'd be as close as you could get to "digitally designed" unless it was actually designed by a robot. And so what anyway? Circuit analysis by Spice is superior to an engineer with pen and paper how? Apart from saving time of course.
It's just some marketing catchphrase that seems to have caught on. Either it's analog, digital or hybrid. Wtf is digitally designed? Who gives a shit if they used a computer at some time in the design process? You may as well quote what the workers ate for breakfast for the difference it makes.
It's an absurd notion. But man, he has access to some extraordinary drugs.
You really shouldn't flaunt that sort of quality unless you brought enough for the whole class.
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riiiiiiight, so the presence of ICs means that it's not analog. so let's throw out all our classic analog pedals, such as the tubescreamer, rat, every bucket-brigade delay/chorus/flanger ever...do i need to keep going? i think you're high, and if so, please sell me some of your stash.



Yeeeeaaaaaahhhh. You got it right.
Tubes, Dude, is the analog of choice.
Grumpy has already ingested the stash.

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vs
2012 Fender Mustang = all solid state with Data Wheel; Soft Keys, Stomp Edit,
Modulation Edit, Delay Edit, Reverb Edit, Utility, Save, Exit, and Tap/Tuner,
blah blah blah. I'll take tube everyday.


Some digital delays sound great.
Some digital delays designed to emulate analog can be wonderful.
True Analog delays have a tone all their own.
Buy them all. Investigate. Form an opinion.
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i honestly think he's confused 'analog' with 'all-tube'.


Good thought, Naked.
All tube without ICs is true natural analog ~ without having to "try making" analog.
PCB's, ICs, digital design, software, create analog, call it analog, be close to true analog.
Seems like a couple of versions of analog.
Seems like the tube analog products are generally much higher priced ~ wonder why?
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Yet another thread by Toppscore where he asks for suggestions and then in two days or less buys a Boss pedal on eBay which no one suggested. Bravo!



Gee Sputnik1. Gotta be your criteria or the highway?
Decided to hold off on tube analog tremolos
and purchase quality (and highly Ultimate Guitar Reviewed)
lower priced Boss TR-2 Tremolo.

Anybody got a problem with a Boss TR-2 Tremolo ~ brand new for $79.00 total?
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Anyway. Thread over and not too soon.
Bought a Boss TR-2 Tremolo ~ life changes.
Will get a more expensive tremolo next round.
Bye
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Quote by Toppscore
Good thought, Naked.
All tube without ICs is true natural analog ~ without having to "try making" analog.
PCB's, ICs, digital design, software, create analog, call it analog, be close to true analog.
Seems like a couple of versions of analog.

false. analog = continuous values. digital = discrete values. that's all. but you don't seem to understand that. maybe you could go onto freestompboxes and teach all the guys there a lesson in electronics, because they clearly don't know what they're on about.

Seems like the tube analog products are generally much higher priced ~ wonder why?

in some cases, because the circuitry and design require more expensive parts. plus the tubes themselves cost extra. but in most cases, to separate fools and their money. fun fact - did you know that the tubes in the EHX wiggler are lit by LEDs underneath to give the illusion of glowing tubes?
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Quote by Toppscore
Gee Sputnik1. Gotta be your criteria or the highway?
Decided to hold off on tube analog tremolos
and purchase quality (and highly Ultimate Guitar Reviewed)
lower priced Boss TR-2 Tremolo.

Anybody got a problem with a Boss TR-2 Tremolo ~ brand new for $79.00 total?

Why create these threads if you aren't going to take anyone's advice? You know that the pedals you ask for will never be within your budget which you never specify. Why don't you save up your money and then ask for advice; not just take the first thing you can get on eBay. Even better, why don't you go to the music store and try out the pedals like most people do instead of copying and pasting online music store listings and asking us which one of these 12 pedals would be best for these 6 requirements. It would benefit you more in the long run than posting these silly threads.
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