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#1
Something that sucks but could be a lot better?

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#2
I'm waiting for a truly flexible hybrid modeler, then I'll probably have something close to a perfect amp for me. The Vypyr Tube is the closest around, but it's not nearly flexible enough. Something like a POD HD500, with a good tube poweramp like the Vypyr Tube has. Something that incorporates some tubes in the preamp as well like the Spider Valve, but has the flexibility I want (not to mention *good* tone*. )


I'm sure it's only a matter of time.

Hopefully.

*Disclaimer: IMO
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Quote by Offworld92
...Something like a POD HD500, with a good tube poweramp like the Vypyr Tube has. Something that incorporates some tubes in the preamp as well like the Spider Valve, but has the flexibility I want (not to mention *good* tone*. )


I'm sure it's only a matter of time.

Hopefully.

*Disclaimer: IMO


Isn't the Spidervalve MkII basically HD300/500ish guts thru a Bogner designed/Chinese built power amp?

Add the pedal controller to get more flexibility and control like you'd have with the HD floor pedals.

I wasn't impressed with the first generation Spidervalves at all, but I never used one with a pedal or tweaked the presets much. And I haven't tried a MkII yet.

I'm happy enough w/my GNX4 thru a PA or thru an all-tube Marshall halfstack that I can't really justify spending more on incremental improvements at this time.

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On topic: wish Digitech would come out with a current generation MFX with all the GNX4 features, but none of the bugs.
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Pretty sure the SVs use older modeling than the HD.

I've tried a MkII, pretty sure (or I hope) it wasn't HD models.

People are saying they're good when you actually spend time to tweak them. To be completely fair I really need to sit down with one for a while to reevaluate my opinion, but also, IMO the stock patches should not sound that shitty when that's what's going to sell the amp. Seriously the stock patches sound like a pile of digital shit compared to the Vypyr Tube.

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+1

99% of the shows I go to, these guys seem like total assclowns how only care about mixing EDM or pop music or something.

Yeah, I totally want to only hear the vocals and drums, and never hear anything from any of the strings.
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A multi-effects unit with some sort of built in talent booster.

I always just ask the sound guy for "more talent in the monitors"

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#10
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Pretty sure the SVs use older modeling than the HD.

I've tried a MkII, pretty sure (or I hope) it wasn't HD models.

People are saying they're good when you actually spend time to tweak them. To be completely fair I really need to sit down with one for a while to reevaluate my opinion, but also, IMO the stock patches should not sound that shitty when that's what's going to sell the amp. Seriously the stock patches sound like a pile of digital shit compared to the Vypyr Tube.




The other big problem with the SV stock patches is there's so much varience in the volume between patches. I hear they didn't fix that in the MkII.

That's the biggest reason I haven't even tried a MkII, even though I've come across several. I got my fill of dirty looks from customers and employees after blasting their ears with the older one.

Also, IMHO, you're better off with tubes in the pre-amp than the power section. Sometimes I play my Marshall head thru the speaker emulated line out with power section on standby, and it sounds almost as good thru a PA as going thru the power section into a cab. It'd be crazy to try to get my overdrive/distortion with the power amp, way too much headroom in those 100watts.
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#11
the guitar equipment industry has almost become a service based industry. the illusion of versatility and convenience seems to be their biggest seller right now.

2 to 4 channel amps with 7 switches on the front seem to be the norm. there is a good amp underneath all those switches, but the switches are mainly gimmicks.

industry is offering everything from customizable factory products, to recreations of vintage products to customizable boutique versions of popular models. it is hard to find little niches that aren't catered to, and even they get filled in eventually.

i feel the guitar equipment industry is becoming weighed down in the BS salesman jargon and quasi-tech talk resulting is gear that is more show and 'desirable' features than substance.

really how many versions of a strat do you need in the market? does a jvm need all those channels (especially the ones that just sound straight horrible)? which tubescreamer do you want, you have 1,284 to choose from when you consider all the clones and variations from other companies. there is a glut of choice out there imo.

chances are if you come up with some 'new' service or product you will find someone else out there already doing it or selling it in some form.
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The other big problem with the SV stock patches is there's so much varience in the volume between patches. I hear they didn't fix that in the MkII.

That's the biggest reason I haven't even tried a MkII, even though I've come across several. I got my fill of dirty looks from customers and employees after blasting their ears with the older one.

Also, IMHO, you're better off with tubes in the pre-amp than the power section. Sometimes I play my Marshall head thru the speaker emulated line out with power section on standby, and it sounds almost as good thru a PA as going thru the power section into a cab. It'd be crazy to try to get my overdrive/distortion with the power amp, way too much headroom in those 100watts.


It's okay if you're going through the PA, but in my experience having a tube poweramp is the most important part of cutting through - we've all heard stories about how the big 300W SS amps get drowned out by a 50W tube amp. And I always aim for what will sound good on it's own - I don't like to ever rely on the PA. It's awesome if it's there, but I base my needs around "will I sound good at a piece of shit backyard/garage gig?". If you're good there, you'll be good anywhere, is my philosophy.
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#13
Well.. technology has come this far.. but are yet to have an affordable trem bridge system that can stay in tune for months and can retune automatically. The guitar's sustain and tone should be close to a fixed bridge's.
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...we've all heard stories about how the big 300W SS amps get drowned out by a 50W tube amp...

Maybe not all of us...

The only 300W all SS amps I'm familiar with are bass amps. Now the Marshall Mode IV has 300Wish SS power amps, but aren't their pre-amps still tube? If you're exaggerating for effect, then I'm still with you. But I know guys with 40W SS Mustangs that cut through the mix just fine even with an 85W Twin Reverb on the same stage--both unmic'ed.

Enlighten me...

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And I always aim for what will sound good on it's own - I don't like to ever rely on the PA. It's awesome if it's there, but I base my needs around "will I sound good at a piece of shit backyard/garage gig?". If you're good there, you'll be good anywhere, is my philosophy.

OK. Most of the time I leave the halfstack at home if there's going to be a good PA. I don't have my own no-kidding PA, so if there's no PA at the venue, then we bring along the drummer's 75W/channel keyboard amp and or a 100W powered wedge and she sings thru that.
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Well.. technology has come this far.. but are yet to have an affordable trem bridge system that can stay in tune for months and can retune automatically. The guitar's sustain and tone should be close to a fixed bridge's.


Hmmm. The only time I have to retune my Floyd Rose guitars is when I do string changes. Doesn't matter if its a month or several years--they just don't go out of tune, except for temperature changes--but the claw screws fix that easily enough.

Or would you like to be able to do tuning changes on it too? That's one thing they can't do. If it were surface mounted and had a D-Tuna, it could go between standard and Drop-D at a flip of a knob, though.

I've never wanted more sustain out of any of my guitars than what I get. But one of my Floyd Rose-equipped guitars has a Sustainiac (I got it for the harmonic effects) and that will literally sustain until the 9V battery dies out if you let it.
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#17
Full-featured, full sized heads with interchangeable power sections would be nice. Like say the Randall but instead of pre-map modules....you have power modules? Yeah I know it's a long-shot, but it would be nice.
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Maybe not all of us...

The only 300W all SS amps I'm familiar with are bass amps. Now the Marshall Mode IV has 300Wish SS power amps, but aren't their pre-amps still tube? If you're exaggerating for effect, then I'm still with you. But I know guys with 40W SS Mustangs that cut through the mix just fine even with an 85W Twin Reverb on the same stage--both unmic'ed.

Enlighten me...

The big Line 6 amps, the Vettas, HD147 and maybe some of the Flextones? Are 150W-300W. And I've repeatedly read they don't cut through well. Could be user error though. I find it easy to believe because my 75W Vypyr didn't cut through at all, even though 75W is "plenty enough to gig with".

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Full-featured, full sized heads with interchangeable power sections would be nice. Like say the Randall but instead of pre-map modules....you have power modules? Yeah I know it's a long-shot, but it would be nice.


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The big Line 6 amps, the Vettas, HD147 and maybe some of the Flextones? Are 150W-300W. And I've repeatedly read they don't cut through well.

OK. I'd only heard good things about the Vettas and the Flextones. I thought they topped out around 150W, but I haven't really paid them much attention.

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Could be user error though.

Lots of people digging on those scooped mids

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I find it easy to believe because my 75W Vypyr didn't cut through at all, even though 75W is "plenty enough to gig with".

Fair enough. I'd always chalked that up to the sound guys, but if there's no cab micing/house PA then it's a different ballgame. Makes me wonder though:

- Did you put that combo on a stand or at least tilt it?
- When you say it wasn't cutting through, do you mean you couldn't hear it on stage or do you mean the audience couldn't hear it?
- So many variables...
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#21
Seems like a lot of guitars have trouble with their pots. They don't have enough effect, or they're flimsy or crooked or loose or whatever. Good, solid pots should become an industry standard, even on cheaper guitars. It's time.

Guitars need to stop coming out of the factory with godawful setups, tight nuts, bad pots, etc. Suppose the first thing you had to do when you bought a new car was take it to the garage for a major tuneup and a bunch of adjustments? I mean, really.

All guitars and amps should come with built-in wireless technology. Wireless isn't rocket science any more.

All amps should come with a set of wireless headphones, a built-in compressor, and built-in percussion rhythms for practicing.

Optional neck radiuses. This drives me nuts. I love Fender Thinlines, for example, but can't stand that freaking 7.25" neck radius. I like a flatter radius like the Les Paul or ES335 (usually 12"), but that may be too flat for some people. Different strokes. Guitar makers should offer different radiuses in their guitars just like they offer different colors or pickups.

I could probably come up with some more if I thought about it...
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#22
Amps with built-in attenuation options between the poweramp and the speaker.
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#23
Oh also how about protection circuits for speaker cabinets so they don't blow when you give them too much power?
And ones for amps that protect it from impedance mismatch?

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Seems like a lot of guitars have trouble with their pots. They don't have enough effect, or they're flimsy or crooked or loose or whatever. Good, solid pots should become an industry standard, even on cheaper guitars. It's time.


Not gonna happen, electronics are such a great place to cut costs. Say a quality US made pot costs a company buying in bulk 50 cents (which its probably less) and a chinese made pot that is prone to failure costs 10 cents (also probably less) then on ever strat style guitar you sell you've just saved 1.20$. Its all about the benjamins. Remember who most of the people buying these cheap guitars are.

Guitars need to stop coming out of the factory with godawful setups, tight nuts, bad pots, etc. Suppose the first thing you had to do when you bought a new car was take it to the garage for a major tuneup and a bunch of adjustments? I mean, really.


Again, its money. A good set up is what, 40 bucks, give or take? Do you want that tacked on to the price, only to find you don't like the way its set up? I understand the car analogy, but for a daily driver you don't need the suspension tuned, the steering ratio adjusted, etc. All you need is to adjust the seat, and that is accomplished by the user. You don't need those fine adjustments on a guitar, but most folks will want them.

All guitars and amps should come with built-in wireless technology. Wireless isn't rocket science any more.


Please god no. I can only imagine the garbage involved with a 100 dollar bullet squire with built in wireless. Not to mention, **** wireless. I will never have the urge in my life to use wireless, ever.

All amps should come with a set of wireless headphones, a built-in compressor, and built-in percussion rhythms for practicing.


Another, please god no.

Optional neck radiuses. This drives me nuts. I love Fender Thinlines, for example, but can't stand that freaking 7.25" neck radius. I like a flatter radius like the Les Paul or ES335 (usually 12"), but that may be too flat for some people. Different strokes. Guitar makers should offer different radiuses in their guitars just like they offer different colors or pickups.

I could probably come up with some more if I thought about it...


Again, money. You don't have to adjust or buy a new machine to put different paint or pickups on, but you need a machine that cuts those radiuses. Again, its all money.


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Amps with built-in attenuation options between the poweramp and the speaker.


Too costly and heavy, plus good attenuators suck anyway in my book, can't imagine the junk amp companies would try to pass off as high tech.


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Oh also how about protection circuits for speaker cabinets so they don't blow when you give them too much power?
And ones for amps that protect it from impedance mismatch?


Guitar speakers are relatively cheap, which is why they don't have breakers like high end speakers. In the end the cost isn't worth it. Not to mention how often these cabs are driven by tube amps.

The amp protection is more weight and cost that the amp companies aren't going to put into their equipment. Let some dummies break it because they didn't read the manual, we'll sell some replacement transformers to some repair shops they think.

I wanna see more hard tail fender strats personally. I know their are tons of non fender strats with hard tails, but gimme this one.
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#25
I think there needs to be more decent quality, gig-worthy solid state amps available, and they should be more affordable to working musicians.
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#26
i wish there were more $400 tubescreamer clones.
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Amps with built-in attenuation options between the poweramp and the speaker.

i got one of those, it sucks. i end up always just bypassing the attenuator.

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Too costly and heavy, plus good attenuators suck anyway in my book, can't imagine the junk amp companies would try to pass off as high tech.


my THD has one

the coolest thing about it is that it has a dummy load, so you don't have to worry about blowing the OT if you forget to hook a speaker to it.
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I want a perfect intonation pedal. We all know its impossible to have a guitar absolutely perfect with intonation except maybe those special ibanez guitars with the crazy frets. If a pedal could take every note it hears and tune it to be perfect to whatever note its closest too. Then you could maybe use it for alternate tunings. It couldn't go from standard to dropped obviously, but maybe it could drop the whole guitar a half step or full step 2 steps etc
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#30
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i got one of those, it sucks. i end up always just bypassing the attenuator.


my THD has one

the coolest thing about it is that it has a dummy load, so you don't have to worry about blowing the OT if you forget to hook a speaker to it.


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I think there needs to be more decent quality, gig-worthy solid state amps available, and they should be more affordable to working musicians.

THIS.

There was a time when The Beatles, The Doors, John Fogerty, Brian May of Queen, Joy Division, Gang of Four, The Smiths, BB King, Tom Morello, (sheesh, even Jimmy Page on "Whole Lotta Love") were not just getting by, but flourishing on tough, durable SS amps with good clean channels. Good luck finding anything like that made in the USA these days as a 1x12 - yeah, the JC120 is amazing, but I don't want to lug that thing around!
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Though to be fair, I appreciate that with their resources, they don't sit and stagnate like Ibanez does. Sure most of the stuff they put out is meh, but at least they're introducing new stuff to the market.
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#33
In many respects, the MI industry suffers from severe inertia. There is a lot of new ground to be broken (not just with digital technology advancements, but also with straight up analog), but consumer trends in this industry stay centered around what is familiar. Hence, this is why we see so much of the same.
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#35
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Though to be fair, I appreciate that with their resources, they don't sit and stagnate like Ibanez does. Sure most of the stuff they put out is meh, but at least they're introducing new stuff to the market.

playing with the display at guitar center is always fun. so many knobs.

what do you mean with the Ibanez bit? like the don't come out with new models or pedals?

^ I agree
#36
Well Ibanez has a few pedals, but for the most part it's just like "WE ARE IBANEZ. HERE IS TUBESCREAMER". And that's all they really do. Whereas it seems like every year Boss is bringing some new idea to the table, like they just released the MultiOvertone and the Feedbacker/Booster.

Maybe not completely original ideas, but... at least adding more to the selection for someone looking for that kind of thing.
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#37
An affordable practice amp that doesn't sound like shit. Vypyr=ass hell if Bose can make a good sounding home stereo system why can I have a decent sounding practice amp.
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#39
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Not gonna happen, electronics are such a great place to cut costs. Say a quality US made pot costs a company buying in bulk 50 cents (which its probably less) and a chinese made pot that is prone to failure costs 10 cents (also probably less) then on ever strat style guitar you sell you've just saved 1.20$. Its all about the benjamins. Remember who most of the people buying these cheap guitars are.


Again, its money. A good set up is what, 40 bucks, give or take? Do you want that tacked on to the price, only to find you don't like the way its set up? I understand the car analogy, but for a daily driver you don't need the suspension tuned, the steering ratio adjusted, etc. All you need is to adjust the seat, and that is accomplished by the user. You don't need those fine adjustments on a guitar, but most folks will want them.


Please god no. I can only imagine the garbage involved with a 100 dollar bullet squire with built in wireless. Not to mention, **** wireless. I will never have the urge in my life to use wireless, ever.


Another, please god no.


Again, money. You don't have to adjust or buy a new machine to put different paint or pickups on, but you need a machine that cuts those radiuses. Again, its all money.


Too costly and heavy, plus good attenuators suck anyway in my book, can't imagine the junk amp companies would try to pass off as high tech.


Guitar speakers are relatively cheap, which is why they don't have breakers like high end speakers. In the end the cost isn't worth it. Not to mention how often these cabs are driven by tube amps.

The amp protection is more weight and cost that the amp companies aren't going to put into their equipment. Let some dummies break it because they didn't read the manual, we'll sell some replacement transformers to some repair shops they think.

I wanna see more hard tail fender strats personally. I know their are tons of non fender strats with hard tails, but gimme this one.



+3.14159265359 i agree with everything.

my only gripe in addition to that is to have more successful and more competitive mom and pop stores.

there are a few stores around here (two carry just straight up shit) all dean and luna with nothing over $400 (and thats also way overpriced too). the other shitty store carries ibanez, but nothing over $400-$500 and even that is overpriced and all of their accessories/strings, etc are extremely overpriced. $9 for a set of nickle blues d'addarios? i buy by the 10 pack online and i pay $3.50 a pack shipped and don't even have to pay tax.

one is good and the guys are great, but they aren't able to stay competitive. they are frequented by probably twice as much of both of the other stores and have a decent sized area, and decent gear. i will occasionally will stop in if i am looking for something, they do get some decent used gear and it is fairly priced. that is really the only reason i walk in the store.

i know it will never happen, but GC/MF/M123/sweetwater/zzounds will always be cheaper. i have money, but i can't justify paying 10-25% more on everything in one of those shops. money is money. i don't want to spend more than i have to.

but if small businesses could compete, i would be thrilled.
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#40
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Come again?

They sound terrible at sane practice volumes and mediocre at band/gigging volumes yeah its better then a spider but let's be honest what amp isn't. My biggest problem is the models are barely in the ballpark of what they are trying to emulate. It's better then many previous offerings for practice amps but I want something a hell of a lot better under 700 USD for home practice. Considering there are a lot of apartment dwelling guitarists I'm supprised this market hasn't taken off yet.
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