#1
So I was at a gig and the sound guy was like "dude, your amp sucks for giggin cause you can't DI it".

I laughed at him because my main rig is an AC30C2, but he wasn't going to change his statement. So he then mic'd it up.

So is it not possible to DI tube amps or something cause I don't understand the whole procedure. All I do know is that the sound guy is a douche.

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Some tube amps will have a direct out or preamp out but they still need to be connected to a speaker anyway or you might damage the amp, so you may as well just mic it. It will sound better miced anyway.

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I own a Rivera that has that capability. Not all amps can do it - and just because they can't doesn't mean they suck. My Mesa Boogies can't do it and they definitely don't suck. Grabbing the signal from the direct output of the amp doesn't sound all that bad, but when I do it, I usually mic the front, then mix both signals.
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Relatively few guitar amplifiers have built in DI, but it doesn't matter if it's tube or not.

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Miking is always the best option unless you're using something like an Axe-FX or a Kemper. The sound guy is full of crap.
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Some tube amps will have a direct out or preamp out but they still need to be connected to a speaker anyway or you might damage the amp, so you may as well just mic it. It will sound better miced anyway.


But other tube amps with a direct out don't still need to be connected to a speaker, as long as you leave it on Standby. Those may sound a little better mic'ed if you have a good cab. However, if the emulated speaker circuitry is good, it might send better direct than it would mic'ed if they don't mic it well, or if you have a crappy cab.

But you still might want to run it through a cab so you can hear it better on stage, or use it to get feedback (if you need that). But you might be able to do the same through wedge monitors.

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Of course your amp doesn't suck for gigging from your perspective.

But from the perspective of a lazy sound guy who'd rather not bother with micing a cab, it would suck. He'd still be wise to keep his big mouth shut about it, though, because he's just going to establish a reputation for himself as someone who doesn't care about helping the bands sound their best. Plus he was being a douche.
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He's just lazy.

Direct outs usually sound like crap compared to micing the real live sound.
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^ Depends on the amp, its speakers, the mic used and the PA system. I've been in, worked at and seen plenty of gigs where a miked amp would have been better off running directly and/or direct amps would have been better off miked.

An AC30? Mic it. JCM800 with V30 full stack? Mic it. ENGL Powerball with a T75 2x12"? Direct. Spider Valve with anything? Direct. Dual Rectifier with Mesa's own 4x12"? Flip a coin. Huge stage? Mic everything. Cramped stage? Go direct.
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#9
Sound guy sucks.

Get a Radial JDX. It's a DI that comes after the poweramp, has a cabinet simulator, but also takes into account the negative feedback and supposedly affects the cabinet simulation.

That or get a sennheiser 409 or 609. I run direct rigs, and real amp rigs depending on how I feel. When I take the Mark IV, I have either one of these. Stick the JDX in the amp, or hand the sennheiser over the speaker, done.
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...Get a Radial JDX. It's a DI that comes after the poweramp, has a cabinet simulator, but also takes into account the negative feedback and supposedly affects the cabinet simulation...
...Stick the JDX in the amp, or hand the sennheiser over the speaker, done.


I was thinking about something like that, too. Even if the VOX doesn't have a plug for the internal speaker, it wouldn't be to difficult to mod it if you're going to be sticking the DI in there anyway.

It would be funny to see the look on the sound guy's face. He probably wouldn't trust it and would insist on micing it
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