#1
So I have been playing guitar on and off for almost 5 years now, and i am getting serious about it again, i am especially interested in acoustic/folk/groovy stuff.

Here's two examples of what i'd like to play :


Basically i'd like to ask you, what do i do to be able to jam like the guy in first video.

I know the penta scales, major, minor scales and pretty much every common chords. But I don't have a clue how to link it together, and find these groovy sounding chords at the right time.

Do you have any idea on how i could get better? id like to play a bit more with my ears, because i learned a lot of songs with tabs and my technique is decent but i don't feel like i am actually getting better... only learning more songs.

If you have good reads to suggest or maybe some good instructional dvd for that acoustic stuff it'd be great.
#3
learning how to link it together. that stuff hs doing isnt acoustic stuff, that stuff hes doing is musical stuff. it sounds great on electrics too. delve into chords more like 7 chords, 9s and altered chords. try to start picking up on some thoery
#4
Know a lot of theory of strings I guess, and work on fingerpicking styles.

Can't say much cause I can't do it.
#5
Start learning some jazz. Everything that first guy did there was basic jazz/blues noodling. And it was definitely not "acoustic" stuff stylistically.
#6
Yeah maybe I wasn't clear, I also play electric guitar/acoustic guitar it's not the point. It's that style of music I am interested in. Until now I've pretty much only played rock and you only go so far with power chords and pentatonic solos...
#9
you cant and you never will

just quit, loser


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#12
I'd strongly recommend Mark Hansen's books on fingerstyle playing. His stuff is truly excellent, and will really help you if you're willing to put in the work. He does a great job of giving you exercises and songs to play which help you develop skills. Start with "The Art of Contemporary Travis Picking" and then move on to "The Art of Solo Fingerpicking."
#14
Honestly, though, theory isn't that important to all of this. You need to build up a new set of skills. Get the Mark Hansen books I recommended.
#15
Quote by :-D
what does this mean
String theory? Like particle physics shit?
Only play what you hear. If you don’t hear anything, don’t play anything.
-Chick Corea
#16
Learning your basic 7th chords and their inversions will make most of the posted tunes pretty accessible.

Scales and chords aren't really theory by themselves. They're more like... spelling.
#17
Quote by ArtyArnaud
So I have been playing guitar on and off for almost 5 years now, and i am getting serious about it again, i am especially interested in acoustic/folk/groovy stuff.

Here's two examples of what i'd like to play :


Basically i'd like to ask you, what do i do to be able to jam like the guy in first video.

I know the penta scales, major, minor scales and pretty much every common chords. But I don't have a clue how to link it together, and find these groovy sounding chords at the right time.

Do you have any idea on how i could get better? id like to play a bit more with my ears, because i learned a lot of songs with tabs and my technique is decent but i don't feel like i am actually getting better... only learning more songs.

If you have good reads to suggest or maybe some good instructional dvd for that acoustic stuff it'd be great.


That second guy is in the pocket... loved his style

It has a lot to do with developing your musicianship. Work on your rythm and ear. You need to connect your brain to your fingers, you need to hear these sounds in your head and know how they translate on the fretboard

Scales help to organize the fretboard which makes the process easier but they are useless if you just run them up and down to a metronome... You have to make MUSIC out of them.
#18
Quote by food1010
String theory? Like particle physics shit?

yes

*and before this post gets seen as something that lives under a bridge, I add an addendum. Yes... yes, I will do that*

@TS: There is an easy version to fingerstyle courtesy of Buster B Jones called "From the ground up". Two parts, ten variations. Of course you won't have to only apply it to country styles... but it is a good series to have for newbies regarding fingerpicking. Part 2 actually kicks some butt. This along with Hotspurs's suggestions will give you quite an arsenal. Buster also has many other instructionals that include open string scales, cascades and licks and grooves. You can add the percussive styles courtesy of Preston Reed (just ignore the fan blowing the hair... It had to be an 80's instructional) and watching Andy McKee closely will get the technique going nicely.

If I'm not mistaken, the guy in your first video did an instructional on percussive styles in a Guitar Techniques magazine or Total Guitar mag. If you're interested, research it and order the back issue. Those two magazines always have something acoustic in it. Tuck Andress is another guy to look into.

Good luck
Last edited by evolucian at Mar 19, 2013,
#19
^^^ On the other hand if you conquer particle physics this guitar style should be easy.
And no, Guitar Hero will not help. Even on expert. Really.
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#20
Quote by ArtyArnaud
Do you have any idea on how i could get better? id like to play a bit more with my ears, because i learned a lot of songs with tabs and my technique is decent but i don't feel like i am actually getting better... only learning more songs.
The answer is pretty obvious.

Training your ear will take your musicality to a whole new level. It won't be mindless regurgitation anymore. You will have these sounds internalized.

As far as rhythm goes, you just need to be intentional about every single accent, articulation, etc. Playing along with a metronome will help you tighten up your timing as well.
Only play what you hear. If you don’t hear anything, don’t play anything.
-Chick Corea
#21
I've learned the "superstition"song by ear but that doesn't help much.

I want to be able to hear something, find the key and jam on it almost right away. I know it's work but where do I start?

Quote by HotspurJr
I'd strongly recommend Mark Hansen's books on fingerstyle playing. His stuff is truly excellent, and will really help you if you're willing to put in the work. He does a great job of giving you exercises and songs to play which help you develop skills. Start with "The Art of Contemporary Travis Picking" and then move on to "The Art of Solo Fingerpicking."


I'll give it a try.
#23
Quote by ArtyArnaud
So I have been playing guitar on and off for almost 5 years now, and i am getting serious about it again, i am especially interested in acoustic/folk/groovy stuff.

Here's two examples of what i'd like to play :


Basically i'd like to ask you, what do i do to be able to jam like the guy in first video.

I know the penta scales, major, minor scales and pretty much every common chords. But I don't have a clue how to link it together, and find these groovy sounding chords at the right time.

Do you have any idea on how i could get better? id like to play a bit more with my ears, because i learned a lot of songs with tabs and my technique is decent but i don't feel like i am actually getting better... only learning more songs.

If you have good reads to suggest or maybe some good instructional dvd for that acoustic stuff it'd be great.

It's a very particular style of guitar playing, I recommend lessons from someone who specializes in fingerstyle.

It is possible to do the self taught route, but you need to have natural talent, time, dedication, and devotion to this style.

You can't afford to fuck off and play some metal just cuz you feel like it one day. And yes, I am going to ASSUME you play metal, cuz EVERYONE plays metal these days, and you're probably one of those young hipsters.

Right, now that I've got that out the way, it just leaves me to say the following...


... there's this Aussie dude, his name's Tommy Emmanuel...


... he's entirely self taught...


... and doesn't know any theory.


So there you have it. It is possible to do the self taught route if the two "D's" are there.