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I would like to know your opinions over the subject of disenchantment in youth/ young adults regarding collective consciousness and culture. I grew up in a small to medium sized town in the southern U.S. and am currently a freshman at University. After a few years of research, I began to wonder why people from the ages of 14-30 act the way that they do (in general, not specific groups). Watching documentaries of the youth movements in the 50s-80s of both the U.S. and Europe show that kids (I use the term loosely) all dressed with some sort of style (as opposed to today's guys wearing gym shorts, hoodies, polos, and abercrombie ) as well as having some sort of individual opinion about culture, politics, and the like.

I find that my generation is hellbent in partaking in only fleeting, visceral pleasures. The idea of dissecting a piece of music, art, photography, etc. seem lost. What makes this most amazing to me is the magnificent ability to use the internet, for one can learn almost anything in a fraction of a second, yet people act as if it is of no relevance. Is it our inherent laziness? Anything requiring thought is too difficult because we have been given everything on a silver spoon? And I have also noticed that the trend is somewhat related to the drug culture. It seems that once hard narcotics (i.e. meth, crack, and pharmaceuticals) became prevalent - a lack of work ethic increased as well as the development of new cultural stereotypes (goths, emos, grunge, nu-punks, metal heads what-have-you) - the U.S. became a twisted sort of place.

I do not mean to come off as a pretentious tw*t, but I think that knowledge, experience, and culture is immensely important. It is what separates humans from other animals. At least the teens/ young adults in the 60's rallied together for movements such as civil and women's rights. Why not now? The U.S. government is more messed up now than ever before (you cannot deny this regardless of your ideology). In regards to music, the young generation has become complacent listening to monotonous sounds from a computer (I am looking at you, dubstep). I would appreciate unbiased opinions, even though I fail to do so myself.
#3
Um...I could bring up tons of exceptions that invalidate your argument, but I'm on the internet...therefore, I'm too lazy to look them all up.
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#4
Change in ideals, change in culture, change in values, change in lifestyles, change in technology blah blah blah same old song and dance.
Next question.
#6
It simple really, we must kill the Hipsters.
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#7
Load of pretentious nonsense.
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#8
What fatuous gibberish.

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#9
I would like to know your opinions over the subject of disenchantment in youth/ young adults regarding collective consciousness and culture. I grew up in a small to medium sized town in the southern U.S. and am currently working in a steel plant. After a few years of research, I began to wonder why people from the ages of 14-30 act the way that they do (in general, not specific groups). Viewing pictographs of the youth movements in the 10s-20s of both the U.S. and Europe show that kids (I use the term loosely) all dressed with some sort of style (as opposed to today's guys wearing t-shirts, jackets, jeans, and sears ) as well as having some sort of individual opinion about culture, politics, and the like.

I find that my generation is hellbent in partaking in only fleeting, visceral pleasures. The idea of dissecting a piece of music, art, photography, etc. seem lost. What makes this most amazing to me is the magnificent ability to use the television, for one can learn almost anything in 45 minutes, yet people act as if it is of no relevance. Is it our inherent laziness? Anything requiring thought is too difficult because we have been given everything on a silver spoon? And I have also noticed that the trend is somewhat related to the drug culture. It seems that once hard narcotics (i.e. pot and goof balls) became prevalent - a lack of work ethic increased as well as the development of new cultural stereotypes (rockers, hippies, greasers, what-have-you) - the U.S. became a twisted sort of place.

I mean to come off as a pretentious tw*t and I think that knowledge, experience, and culture is immensely important. It is what separates humans from other animals. At least the teens/ young adults in the 20's rallied together for movements such as women's suffrage and ending prohibition. Why not now? The U.S. government is more messed up now than ever before (you cannot deny this regardless of your ideology). In regards to music, the young generation has become complacent listening to monotonous sounds from guitars (I am looking at you 'Beatles' [sic]). I would appreciate unbiased opinions, even though I fail to do so myself.
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I would like to know your opinions over the subject of disenchantment in youth/ young adults regarding collective consciousness and culture. I grew up in a small to medium sized town in the southern U.S. and am currently working in a steel plant. After a few years of research, I began to wonder why people from the ages of 14-30 act the way that they do (in general, not specific groups). Viewing pictographs of the youth movements in the 10s-20s of both the U.S. and Europe show that kids (I use the term loosely) all dressed with some sort of style (as opposed to today's guys wearing t-shirts, jackets, jeans, and sears ) as well as having some sort of individual opinion about culture, politics, and the like.

I find that my generation is hellbent in partaking in only fleeting, visceral pleasures. The idea of dissecting a piece of music, art, photography, etc. seem lost. What makes this most amazing to me is the magnificent ability to use the television, for one can learn almost anything in 45 minutes, yet people act as if it is of no relevance. Is it our inherent laziness? Anything requiring thought is too difficult because we have been given everything on a silver spoon? And I have also noticed that the trend is somewhat related to the drug culture. It seems that once hard narcotics (i.e. pot and goof balls) became prevalent - a lack of work ethic increased as well as the development of new cultural stereotypes (rockers, hippies, greasers, what-have-you) - the U.S. became a twisted sort of place.

I mean to come off as a pretentious tw*t and I think that knowledge, experience, and culture is immensely important. It is what separates humans from other animals. At least the teens/ young adults in the 20's rallied together for movements such as women's suffrage and ending prohibition. Why not now? The U.S. government is more messed up now than ever before (you cannot deny this regardless of your ideology). In regards to music, the young generation has become complacent listening to monotonous sounds from guitars (I am looking at you 'Beatles' [sic]). I would appreciate unbiased opinions, even though I fail to do so myself.


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#12
Those things haven't been lost, you're just selectively looking at people
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Those things haven't been lost, you're just looking at yourself and realising how pathetic and trivial you are and then projecting


Fixed for accuracy.
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I would like to know your opinions over the subject of disenchantment in youth/ young adults regarding collective consciousness and culture. I grew up in a small to medium sized town in the southern U.S. and am currently an oil rig operator. After a few years of research, I began to wonder why people from the ages of 14-30 act the way that they do (in general, not specific groups). Reading of the youth movements in the 60s-70s of both the U.S. and Europe show that kids (I use the term loosely) all dressed with some sort of style (as opposed to today's guys wearing flat caps, knickerbockers, bowties, and unbuttoned flannels ) as well as having some sort of individual opinion about culture, politics, and the like.

I find that my generation is hellbent in partaking in only fleeting, visceral pleasures. The idea of dissecting a piece of music, art, even the new arts of photography and film, etc. seem lost. What makes this most amazing to me is the magnificent ability to use the radio, for one can learn almost anything in a fraction of a second, yet people act as if it is of no relevance. Is it our inherent laziness? Anything requiring thought is too difficult because we have been given everything on a silver spoon? And I have also noticed that the trend is somewhat related to the drug culture. It seems that once hard narcotics (i.e. whiskey, moonshine,) became prevalent - a lack of work ethic increased as well as the development of new cultural stereotypes (Ruskies, Krauts, jazzbos, Irishmen, blacks what-have-you) - the U.S. became a twisted sort of place.

I do not mean to come off as a pretentious tw*t, but I think that knowledge, experience, and culture is immensely important. It is what separates white humans from other animals. At least the teens/ young adults in the 1860's rallied together for movements such as the civil war. Why not now? The U.S. government is more messed up now than ever before (you cannot deny this regardless of your ideology). In regards to music, the young generation has become complacent listening to monotonous sounds from an uneducated minstrel (I am looking at you, jazz and blues). I would appreciate unbiased opinions, even though I fail to do so myself.
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#16
all flippancy aside, the media and public opinion has always liked to view young people as useless compared to 'greater generations'. As for caring about issues what is thought to have been the largest protest of all time happened only a decade ago.
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all flippancy aside, the media and public opinion has always liked to view young people as useless compared to 'greater generations'. As for caring about issues what is thought to have been the largest protest of all time happened only a decade ago.

The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

- some old stuffer named Plato
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all flippancy aside, the media and public opinion has always liked to view young people as useless compared to 'greater generations'. As for caring about issues what is thought to have been the largest protest of all time happened only a decade ago.


The worst part about it is that this current generation is undoubtedly more intelligent and intellectual than any of those that have come before it, thanks almost entirely to the internet and accessibility of education. More people are going to university now than ever before, and average IQ had been rising by about .3 percent since IQ testing began.

It's funny that the people who moan about the vapidity of modern youth are always the once who dropped out of school and ended up in some dead-beat job for their entire life. It's never the professors of philosophy and psychology, or the scientists and lawyers.
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#21
You've completely Michael Moore'd this one. You seriously just looked at one side of this. Plus the media has us all pegged as pieces of shit, so it's hard for us to do anything. Shit's changed man. Many of the people my age, 16-19, let's say, are much more interested in helping people in impoverished countries rather than helping our country. Our generations are pretty just modernized versions of older generations.
#22
Wait, you're a freshman in College and you've done 'years of research' on this?
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#23
Yr in the US, and you think that the vigil that has been held since Kimani Gray's murder in New York isn't an example of young people caring about their culture, identity, politics?
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#24
I’m a 21-year-old junior in college…and honestly things just repeat, but they have a different face for every generation. Older generations had some similar down sides but the negatives just had a different take. Honestly, I don’t see a problem with people wearing gym shorts, hoodies, polo etc. If it’s comfortable then wear it, and if people don’t like it then screw them. When it comes to official things, such as job interviews etc. Then one should look and act professional. I incorporate all of them for the right situations. If I’m having a day on the town and getting lunch, why not wear shorts and a t-shirt? It’s hot and humid, so why would I dress up. People get caught up in the spotlight effect, because most people generally don’t care about the daily general actions of others in day-to-day life. You speak about a lack of American girls with class, and as an American myself, disagree. Girls can be classy and trashy all over the world. It’s just not right to point a finger at one place in the entire world. I find some things about girls from other countries shocking, that I’ve yet to see here. I don’t lump all the girls from those countries into one box because of the actions of some.

I agree with some of the second paragraph. Our generation is way too focus on singles, and instant pleasure. Using Yolo to justify immaturity is just sad. I’m happy I became a musician because it taught me to dissect music as well as to listen to whole albums, and to discover something new every time I hear the same song. Some say the Internet makes our lives way easier, and it def does. I’ve been able to learn so much more than people of the pre Internet days. With that said, I think people expect much more of us than people in the past as far as education. I got a good idea through my parents how there schooling was, and in some ways, I think we would easily pass/handle classes. Yet we would find it a burden to have to look up things all through books alone, which is something I respect about the older generations. So it’s got its upsides and downsides.

According to my criminal justice class books, crack/meth really we’re more of a problem for the 80s and the latter of the 90’s. I would attribute that to Generation X. Pharmaceuticals is the one that my book indicates is our problem. I’ve seen so many people obtain them while in college, and so easily. Cultural stereotypes are nothing new…

The one problem of your last argument is that with the use of the internet/TV, I myself have learned a lot about other peoples lives and cultures from around the world, whereas if I didn’t have them, then I may not know some things etc. Also you speak of rallying together. Have you not seen the Wall Street protestors, as well as some of the conservative parties getting together to protest other things? It’s constantly happening from both sides. The U.S. gov has always been messed up, but guess what, the world is messed up, and will never be perfect.

I like all kinds of music, generic, top 40, all types of rock etc. Please make a dubstep song and send it to me that’s as good as I don’t know, let’s say Skrillex, and then you can start saying bad things about it. I’ve tried, and it’s been a bitch.
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#25
Life is meaningless they smartened up to be honest its all about status and notches prove me wrong.
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#26
skrillex suxxx listen to Pinch dude.
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#27
Why limit yourself to one culture when you can learn about them all in a few moments? Or one style of dress, or music? Why feel obliged to fit in with the style of the moment when you have so many options available?
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The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

- some old stuffer named Plato


Plato didn't say that.
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#29
I seriously thought you were talking about Gen VI of Pokémon, games X and Y

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The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

- some old stuffer named Plato


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#30
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Wait, you're a freshman in College and you've done 'years of research' on this?


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Twenty seconds of thinking about the subject matter by the TS feels like years. But the strangest thing is that not only does time feel like it's increased, the amount and type of perceived work increases.

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#31
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Plato didn't say that.

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If Socrates said it, then we only know about it because Plato said it.

So there.
#33
You only think this because teenagers aren't dressing in something you find cool and attractive. I bet you like James Dean. Why? Because he looks cool and he's attractive, there's no difference between him in Rebel Without a Cause and that kid mugging people down the street in a polo shirt.

You have nostalgia for something you've never experienced and I feel sorry for you.
#34
Watch as 20 years from now, teenagers will think that this decade/generation was cool as hell and their generation is shit.
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#35
Plus OP picked the shittiest time to be nostalgic for. You really think Abercrombie and dubstep is worse than segregation? Your privilege is unchecked and out of control.
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#36
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You only think this because teenagers aren't dressing in something you find cool and attractive. I bet you like James Dean. Why? Because he looks cool and he's attractive, there's no difference between him in Rebel Without a Cause and that kid mugging people down the street in a polo shirt.

You have nostalgia for something you've never experienced and I feel sorry for you.


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#37
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skrillex suxxx listen to Pinch dude.

Actually a pretty good suggestion.

Sleeper, Distance, Cyrus as well. Just anything from Chestplate records
#39
it's always easier to find things to dislike
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I find that my generation is hellbent in partaking in only fleeting, visceral pleasures. The idea of dissecting a piece of music, art, photography, etc. seem lost. What makes this most amazing to me is the magnificent ability to use the internet, for one can learn almost anything in a fraction of a second, yet people act as if it .

you should rematch the documentaries you've been sourcing this from. Intellectual movements have always been in the minority. It's only in hindsight in which we can acknowledge that they've been doing something significant.
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