agithorn
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I have like $500 to spend, give or take. And I'm looking to finally upgrade from my Spider III..

So far the solid state Randall RX120R Half Stack, and the tube Jet City JCA2024HS have caught my attention for that price. I play heavy/death metal primarily, and I'm looking for both volume AND tone.

Any recommendations otherwise would be helpful.
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Quote by godgrinder
Peavey 6505+ 112

I gotta agree with this.
The JCA is too small for death metal. You're gonna have to run it dimed to get over a metal drummer so it's gonna be producing heaps of power amp distortion. That's ok if you are playing ACDC but not metal.
The Randall will get you some good harsh distortion like Pantera or early Death but that's all it's gonna do. If that's the tone you want then go for it but a 6505 would be better at everything else - even in combo form. Just replace the speaker and tubes. It will kick those other two amp's arses all the way to hell and back without raising a sweat.
Later you can add a nice 4x12 to it if you so desire. Save up and buy a Mesa Rectifier cabinet eventually but a good speaker in the 6505 combo will tide you over for a long time. They sound bigger than you'd expect, especially once it's miked up and put through FoH. Just put it on a stand that gets it off the ground and you'll hear it fine on stage.
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Quote by agithorn
I have like $500 to spend, give or take. And I'm looking to finally upgrade from my Spider III..

So far the solid state Randall RX120R Half Stack, and the tube Jet City JCA2024HS have caught my attention for that price. I play heavy/death metal primarily, and I'm looking for both volume AND tone.

Any recommendations otherwise would be helpful.


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The 6505 is really only good at modern core type genres tbh, I say used DSL combo with a boost, crate blue voodoo or a Jsx/xxx combo. Upgrading a full tubeset and speaker really pushes the budget to at least $700-800 and at that point its almost any Mesa's bitch.
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A hd147 is a metal machine and has 300 watts of VOLUME
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Go for tube, not solid state.
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Hmm, been thinking about that Peavey 6505+ 112.. It really does look to be a great choice.

Highly considering it.
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TS, the 6505+ 112 sounds about perfect for you.

dlowe, the HD147 seems pretty badass...one of L6's under-appreciated products.
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I popped in for 2 reasons.

First

I really like the 6505+112 combo and also think it would be a good fit for you. The only other amp that I really consider better is the Vypyr 60 tube combo but it is a different type of amp. I prefer its Diezel VH4 and Mesa Rectifier amp settings over the 6505+112 as far as raw tone but that is just an opinion and a preference.

Second

I felt it was necessary to point out that watts do not correlate to how big a cab you would get or even volume for that matter. There is a great read by CECAmps that I will link in for you but in the mean time I will just say this. Choose your watts based more on the type of music you play. 20 watts is not the greatest imo for modern metal because you will be in distortion mode all the time. It will be like being in a crunchy mode all the time with no room left. Now if all you played was classic rock and blues that would be perfect. But when you need to do clean trills and dead stop palm mutes - 20 watts isn't really going to work that well.

As far as the difference between a 2x12 and 4x12 cabinet is not that great. That should be a lessor concern. 4x12 will push a bit more air and may or may not have more bass response but they are also heavier, bulkier and more costly.

Anyway, hope that helps a bit. Here's that link:

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1571081
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Quote by losing battle
The 6505 is really only good at modern core type genres tbh, I say used DSL combo with a boost, crate blue voodoo or a Jsx/xxx combo. Upgrading a full tubeset and speaker really pushes the budget to at least $700-800 and at that point its almost any Mesa's bitch.


Boosting the 6505's rhythm channel will have the same effect.

Go with a 6505.
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Search for tone not wattage. If a 20W sounds good to you get it. But most metal heads have lots of watts. Get a 212 cab though.
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The JCA is too small for death metal. You're gonna have to run it dimed to get over a metal drummer so it's gonna be producing heaps of power amp distortion.


Erroneous. I play with a "metal" drummer and my JCA20 has never had a problem being loud enough, and the highest I've had it was around 7 (and remember, the knobs go to 11 on the JCA, so about 6.5ish on any other amp). If you're playing a gig where you need to be louder than that, you're going to be mic'ed up. You may get some power amp distortion, sure, but IMO, it won't sound bad by any means.

However, to get modern extreme metal tones from the JCA, you're probably going to want an OD pedal of some sort, whereas you're probably going to be fine without an OD with a 6505 (although I personally would still probably use a TS-esque pedal to tighten things up).

The other advantage you get with the 6505 is two channels. I personally don't need a "true" clean channel, so I'm fine with backing off the guitar volume to clean up my tone. However, if you absolutely need a dedicated clean channel, you're best off with the 6505.
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Even with a TS9 my JCA20H doesn't get anywhere near death metal. It is pretty damn loud for a 20 watter though.
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There is a 2x12 Peavey Ultra combo for $389 on www.guitarcenter.com/used put a boost on it and you would be alright and it is a versitile amp.

They also have several used Peavey 5150 2x12 combos for $550 (better than the 6505+ 1x12 combo). They also have a few 6505+ 1x12 combos for $350.
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Quote by Robbgnarly
There is a 2x12 Peavey Ultra combo for $389 on www.guitarcenter.com/used put a boost on it and you would be alright and it is a versitile amp.

They also have several used Peavey 5150 2x12 combos for $550 (better than the 6505+ 1x12 combo). They also have a few 6505+ 1x12 combos for $350.


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