#1
Hey all,

So, I'm planning on ordering an Avatar Contemporary 4x12 cabinet within the next day or two, since I'm looking into a beefier, more modern-style cab, as I think I would find it to be a much better pairing w/my ENGL than my Marshall 1960A (I've already swapped the speakers in it, and have played it through other cabs, and I find it sounds best through Orange/Mesa/other similar type cabinets. It's my understanding that the Contemporary is similar to an Orange, based on my own research).

My original plan was to buy an empty cab, and swap in the speakers I put into my Marshall (WGS Veteran 30's and ET-65's - great stuff!) into the new Avatar, then just sell the Marshall empty. However, Avatar is currently offering free shipping on most stuff atm, but empty cabinets are one of the exceptions...

This had me thinking - Since the free shipping for a loaded cab somewhat eliminates the incentive to go empty, perhaps I should just buy one with greenbacks and swap them into the Marshall? I figure at best, I end up with two sweet cabs that allow me a wider range of tones/stuff to tinker around with, and at worst, it'd probably be a pretty quick/easier sale to sell a 1960A w/greenbacks in it/I'm out a bit more cash temporarily.

My only real questions on them - Are they best suited towards vintage and clean tones, or could they handle high gain stuff well too? And I know that they're only 25-watts a piece, so it would only make it a 100-watt capacity cab. I've heard that you're pushing your luck with a 100-watt tube head if you crank it up, but how about a 50? There's not a huge difference in volume between 50 and 100 watt heads, so is it the volume or the wattage itself that these speakers can be sensitive to?
- Gibson Flying V 120 #1 (White)
- Gibson Flying V 120 #2 (Cherry)
- Gibson SG Standard ('61 style)
- Jackson DK2M

- ENGL Fireball 60
- Avatar 4x12

- Many pedals, plus other stuff
#2
I think if you want beefy and modern, the Greenbacks are not at all what you want. They're warm, and they break up early, and they are very 'vintage' sounding if that's a real thing. Modern speakers are usually a lot clearer, cleaner, and have a lot tighter bass response. They might sound good with your particular setup but I wouldn't buy them blind and expect to love them in your case.

As to the power handling, it's the wattage you need to be careful of. A 50 watt amp would be fine with them. A 100 watt amp probably would too, but then you're dealing with significant speaker distortion on top of the amp's distortion which might get messy with a modern amp.
#3
I see. Well, I guess the main reason I'm curious about trying greenbacks, is because I've heard that they're warm and vintage sounding, as you say, and I think that might be just the thing to throw into the Marshall cab I already have, if I'm gonna end up w/some extra speakers out of this. I plan to swap the ones currently into the Marshall over to the Avatar, and use those speakers for more modern tones.

I suppose when I say I'm curious about high-gain use of greenbacks, I'm mainly curious about 70's/80's hard rock/metal tones from them. The Avatar would serve the purpose of being used for "Da Br00tz"
- Gibson Flying V 120 #1 (White)
- Gibson Flying V 120 #2 (Cherry)
- Gibson SG Standard ('61 style)
- Jackson DK2M

- ENGL Fireball 60
- Avatar 4x12

- Many pedals, plus other stuff
#4
Quote by FlightofIcarus
It's my understanding that the Contemporary is similar to an Orange, based on my own research.


yes, the orange and the avatar contemporary are very similar in dimension and construction

Quote by FlightofIcarus
My original plan was to buy an empty cab, and swap in the speakers I put into my Marshall (WGS Veteran 30's and ET-65's - great stuff!) into the new Avatar, then just sell the Marshall empty. However, Avatar is currently offering free shipping on most stuff atm, but empty cabinets are one of the exceptions...


whenever buying cabinets from avatar it seems it is almost always more cost effective to order cabinets with speakers in them. i'd get V30's, T-75's, or G12M-25's if i was gonna just flip the speakers.

so yes, your observation matches mine. whether you are gonna sell the speakers or switch them with another cabinet, it pays to buy the avatar loaded with speakers.

Quote by FlightofIcarus
This had me thinking - Since the free shipping for a loaded cab somewhat eliminates the incentive to go empty, perhaps I should just buy one with greenbacks and swap them into the Marshall?


i like 4x12 greenback cabs, they sound pretty badass. but as colin mentioned, this is what most people would consider a 'vintage' sounding speaker.

Quote by FlightofIcarus
I figure at best, I end up with two sweet cabs that allow me a wider range of tones/stuff to tinker around with, and at worst, it'd probably be a pretty quick/easier sale to sell a 1960A w/greenbacks in it/I'm out a bit more cash temporarily.


that reasoning is fairly sound.

Quote by FlightofIcarus
My only real questions on them - Are they best suited towards vintage and clean tones, or could they handle high gain stuff well too?


they have a woody kinda sound, they get pretty colorful at higher volumes and start distorting at lower volumes than most speakers. they would be considered a 'vintage' sounding speaker.

i think the speakers react aggressively with distortion, but they get awfully muddy with with most high gain roles. not much low end either, def not a tight low end.

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And I know that they're only 25-watts a piece, so it would only make it a 100-watt capacity cab. I've heard that you're pushing your luck with a 100-watt tube head if you crank it up, but how about a 50? There's not a huge difference in volume between 50 and 100 watt heads, so is it the volume or the wattage itself that these speakers can be sensitive to?


unless you are cranking the 100 watt amp it wouldn't matter too much, even then i wouldn't worry that much. a 4x12 greenback cab would handle a 50 watt amp just fine.
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#5
I have a Eminence GB128 (50 watt GB clone) that I really like, and I have paired it with a WGS Reaper HP (50 watt G12H30 clone) I really like the 2 together. They have a kind of old school sound, but with the Reaper HP it will do more modern hi-gain well also. I have these in a 2x12 cab that is similar to an Orange PPC2x12 in size. I got this idea for a combo from Splawn since they mix the smallblock and bigblock which are GB and G12h30 type speakers
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#6
^my old-school celestion tone is a set of webers: 12" ceramic silver bell and a 12" alnico blue dog. sounds awesome.

imo many other makers make a really good celestion clone. scumback is another example.
punk isn't dead, it's always smelled that way.

"A perfection of means, and confusion of aims, seems to be our main problem."
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#7
Quote by FlightofIcarus

I suppose when I say I'm curious about high-gain use of greenbacks, I'm mainly curious about 70's/80's hard rock/metal tones from them.


i reckon they'd probably do that alright. Though admittedly i play at lower volumes and mine probably aren't breaking up the way they would at higher volumes. And also they mightn't be my first choice for those type of tones... a mix of greenbacks and g12h30s might be a better idea to still keep a vintage edge to the tone but make the cab more versatile.
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