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#1
Hey all

I just got a new Schecter C-1 Hellraiser.

What type of strings should I use? I'm a huge fan of Elixers.

I play a lot of pop punk (all time low, mayday parade, that sorta thing)

I also play stuff like breaking Benjamin and Red jumpsuit apparatus but nothing really harder then that.

I want strings that will sound great clean as well as distorted.

Thanks!

What size should they be?
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I think the only thing that matters is what tuning you are in. The strings don't matter that much to your tone. If you like Elixirs, buy Elixirs. I have noticed very little difference between different strings. I have tried Ernie Ball, Fender, D'Addario, Rotosound and DR Strings. Rotosounds weren't as twangy and bright as Fenders (I had both at the same time in my Epiphone, the low E string was Rotosound because I broke the low E Fender string). But really, there's very little difference. I usually just buy Ernie Balls because they are cheap.

But yeah, if you play in standard tuning, look at 9-42 or 10-46. Those are the most usual gauges.
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#5
Just try different strings and see what you like. Ah, another string thread.
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Any strings that raise Hell.
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Anything lower than .20 gauge strings is just a cop out.


You must have been a bass playing Jolly Green Giant in another life...

OT, buy a bunch of different strings and find what you like. Strings are as subjective as... well... everything that has to do with guitar playing.
#10
It seems like everything in the world of guitars is subjective.

I kept hearing how poor the cleans were for the hellraiser due to the EMG's.

I picked one up, played some cleans, and to be honest I like the cleans on it better then any strat or paul i've ever played.

I guess it's really all just what suits the player the best.
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It seems like everything in the world of guitars is subjective


Anytime preference can come in to play, this is true. It's valuable to have that mindset when discussing guitars though, yes.
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It seems like everything in the world of guitars is subjective.

I kept hearing how poor the cleans were for the hellraiser due to the EMG's.

I picked one up, played some cleans, and to be honest I like the cleans on it better then any strat or paul i've ever played.

I guess it's really all just what suits the player the best.


the single biggest misconception with active pickups is probably the claim that they have poor cleans. the reality is that actives were originally designed for jazz, which is pretty dependent on cleans being damn good, and were used primarily for jazz, funk and even country before metal got a hold on them

true, actives can produce some crappy clean tones. this is usually down to either poor eq (actives have to be eq'd rather differently than passives- depending on your amp of course) or the pickups simply overwhelming the amp. actives through a good quality amp with a good eq section can produce truly brilliant cleans. they may not be to everybody's taste, but that's their loss as far as I'm concerned

as for strings, play around. you probably won't find that there is a particular brand that gives you better cleans or distorted tones- your amp is the biggest player in that, with your guitar, pickups, cable, pedals, speaker, pick and numerous other things factoring in more than the strings. the gauge of your strings will affect how certain frequencies come across, and certain brands will feel different, but short of going to a flatwound or stainless steel string, you're not likely to hear much difference.
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the single biggest misconception with active pickups is probably the claim that they have poor cleans. the reality is that actives were originally designed for jazz, which is pretty dependent on cleans being damn good, and were used primarily for jazz, funk and even country before metal got a hold on them

true, actives can produce some crappy clean tones. this is usually down to either poor eq (actives have to be eq'd rather differently than passives- depending on your amp of course) or the pickups simply overwhelming the amp. actives through a good quality amp with a good eq section can produce truly brilliant cleans. they may not be to everybody's taste, but that's their loss as far as I'm concerned

as for strings, play around. you probably won't find that there is a particular brand that gives you better cleans or distorted tones- your amp is the biggest player in that, with your guitar, pickups, cable, pedals, speaker, pick and numerous other things factoring in more than the strings. the gauge of your strings will affect how certain frequencies come across, and certain brands will feel different, but short of going to a flatwound or stainless steel string, you're not likely to hear much difference.


If I may ask, how do I "EQ" my pickups. What does that mean and how do I do it?
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Woah woah woah, where's your budget? How can we know what strings you like if we don't know what your budget is? Those $1000 strings might sound amazing, but I hear the $500 ones work just as well. Don't pay more for fancy strings because of that name on the packaging.
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If I may ask, how do I "EQ" my pickups. What does that mean and how do I do it?


EQ your amp. I took that as self evident, my mistake. it involves adjusting your treble, mids, bass and other tone controls.
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EQ your amp. I took that as self evident, my mistake. it involves adjusting your treble, mids, bass and other tone controls.


That's what I figured. I only hear the term EQ being thrown around when discussing active pickups which is why I asked.

Regardless of if I have actives or passives, I always EQ my amp to get the tone that I am looking for. Along with adjusting the volume and tone knobs on my guitar of course.
#17
Well, the way I look at it is how mellow vs. how bright do I want to sound. Yes, your strings are very much minor in that, but they do help. (Every little bit helps.) So, if you're playing a lot of pop punk, then get strings that are brighter.


Btw, do yourself a favor. Learn how to transpose songs. By which I mean, keep your Hellraiser tuned to one tuning. I personally would tune to a lower tuning and then learn where I would play chords in E standard. Iirc, a lot of pop punk is written in E standard tuning, so just tune down so that you can play songs by Breaking Benjamin and other bands that tune lower than E.
If you're changing tunings all the time, you also will have to adjust the truss rod (otherwise, the neck might warp over time), and that's a pain. If you bought the Hellraiser with a floyd rose trem, then you'll also have to re-set it every time you re-tune. (Generally, re-setting my guitar takes me 30 min every time I change strings, but I've also been doing re-setting my guitar for 7 years now.) So, just stick with one tuning, and you'll save yourself a LOT of headache.

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Regardless of if I have actives or passives, I always EQ my amp to get the tone that I am looking for. Along with adjusting the volume and tone knobs on my guitar of course.

If you ever EQ your amp for Metal, for the love of all on this earth, do NOT scoop the mids. Sucks any good tone right out the door. Scooped mids is ALWAYS bad, especially in Metal where you want a thick and powerful tone.
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what you need is a new amp.

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Well, the way I look at it is how mellow vs. how bright do I want to sound. Yes, your strings are very much minor in that, but they do help. (Every little bit helps.) So, if you're playing a lot of pop punk, then get strings that are brighter.


Btw, do yourself a favor. Learn how to transpose songs. By which I mean, keep your Hellraiser tuned to one tuning. I personally would tune to a lower tuning and then learn where I would play chords in E standard. Iirc, a lot of pop punk is written in E standard tuning, so just tune down so that you can play songs by Breaking Benjamin and other bands that tune lower than E.
If you're changing tunings all the time, you also will have to adjust the truss rod (otherwise, the neck might warp over time), and that's a pain. If you bought the Hellraiser with a floyd rose trem, then you'll also have to re-set it every time you re-tune. (Generally, re-setting my guitar takes me 30 min every time I change strings, but I've also been doing re-setting my guitar for 7 years now.) So, just stick with one tuning, and you'll save yourself a LOT of headache.

Edit:

If you ever EQ your amp for Metal, for the love of all on this earth, do NOT scoop the mids. Sucks any good tone right out the door. Scooped mids is ALWAYS bad, especially in Metal where you want a thick and powerful tone.

OK, first I don't change my tuning when I play other bands' songs. I play everything with the same fingerings as the original song but I just play them in standard tuning. The tuning you are using only matters if you are using backing tracks.

And Metallica wants to disagree...

What is all this hate towards scooped mids? I mean, mids at 0 sounds like crap but I like scooping the mids a bit (I have them at 3). And in the 80s everybody scooped mids.

And clean sound needs scooped mids. Cleans will sound honky if there are too much mids. I'm not talking about mids at 0 though. (Though we have an old solid state Peavey amp in our band practice place that needs mids at 0 to get the best clean sound. But then the distortion of that amp sounds like crap - it needs boosted mids.)

The thing is, it really depends on amp and the sound you are after if you need to scoop or boost the mids. But extreme EQ is almost always bad.
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Am I the only one curious as to why TS has bought an EMG loaded Schecter Hellraiser for pop punk?


No I think we're all confused.

Although, in the grand scheme of things it doesn't really matter. If he's happy who cares?
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I usually go with metal strings, but whatever works for you is good.
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And add some Win to it.

Hellwin! See what I did there? So clever!


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#25
I bought it because I thought it sounded fantastic. Is there some law against what genres you can play with EMG pickups?
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I bought it because I thought it sounded fantastic. Is there some law against what genres you can play with EMG pickups?


Yes. But since you're a hell raiser it all works out.
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#27
I directly compared a les paul studio and the schecter for hours before reaching my decision. The Schecter all around sounded better. To my ears anyways.

Also, I had two defective Les paul studios within the last month that I had to send back. Done with Gibby and their shitty QC.
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I directly compared a les paul studio and the schecter for hours before reaching my decision. The Schecter all around sounded better. To my ears anyways.

Also, I had two defective Les paul studios within the last month that I had to send back. Done with Gibby and their shitty QC.


Realize, we aren't messing with you because you bought a Schecter (guitars which I mostly like overall), but because you made a "What strings?" thread. The Hellraiser is just a convenient avenue to poke fun at you.
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No, but the name is at least slightly laughable.
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Is the hellraiser regarded as a bad guitar or what?

The name and gaudy abalone make it a joke. The actual construction of the guitar and the specs are rock solid.

I think the name does it more than anything though. The LTD EC-1000 is basically the same guitar, but no one seems to make fun of it.
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I bought it because I thought it sounded fantastic. Is there some law against what genres you can play with EMG pickups?

What?
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Is the hellraiser regarded as a bad guitar or what?

Do you think it's a good guitar? If you do, it is a good guitar.

I personally don't like Schecters in general, i think they are generic and look horrible, but my opinion doesn't make any difference.
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#33
I personally love Schecters, and the price I got mine for was a bargain.

TS I have the exact one you are asking about and it is great, but I definitely would have looked elsewhere if I was playing pop punk. That said, if you like it then there is no problem.
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Is the hellraiser regarded as a bad guitar or what?


No.

It's not as subdued style-wise as some folks seem to think guitars 'should' be, but it's a damn solid guitar.

I bought one a couple of years back, and just recently picked up one for my oldest boy because he fell in love with mine. I've got way too many guitars on the wall, and that's the one he likes best.

Of course I got mine for $350 with hardcase in 'near new' condition and we got his for $375 with a gig bag, also in near-new...at those prices it's hard to complain much! Both are the C1-FR, for reference.

As noted elsewhere, don't let anyone else tell you if YOUR guitar is a 'good' guitar or not. If it works for you and you like it, it's a good guitar. Make, model, price, color, style etc. are all secondary to the equation. As an example, I've got one of the cheapest versions of the EBMM made (A Sterling SUB Silo3) and it's one of the 'best' guitars for me that I've ever owned. It's not the most expensive, nor I suspect are the electronics or woods used even close to equal of others that I own, but there's something about it that just fits me perfectly, that makes me enjoy playing it more. I can live with that.
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The name and gaudy abalone make it a joke. The actual construction of the guitar and the specs are rock solid.

I think the name does it more than anything though. The LTD EC-1000 is basically the same guitar, but no one seems to make fun of it.


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I think they could have gone another direction with the name and had less backlash, although the abalone binding doesn't help at all. My C-1 Classic has the same reaction from most folks, love it or hate it. It's one of my favorite guitars for the reasons mentioned above.
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More to the point, are you for real? Someone has a burning question and possibly no one else to turn to, and this is your reply?

King Neptune do you regularly change your strings? If so may I suggest trying a set of Ernie Balls. Elixirs are great, but fairly steep if you're still finding what strings you like.

Providing you're using standard tuning, which I'm guessing you are, try a set of Ernie Ball Regular Slinkys. Take note of the string gauges, and decide for yourself if they are just right for you. The Regular Slinkys are the strings I use, mostly because they're so easy to get. But talk to your local guitar shop crew and try a few brands, it's all a matter of preference.
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No, in this case he's right. There are dozens (if not hundreds) of 'what strings' threads available if one searches. So many in point of fact that they are expressly forbidden in some of the forums.
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