MarcFlink
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Hey guys!!


So i am going to buy my FIRST electric guitar soon, and i want a quality guitar.

I've been looking around the internet for the right guitar and the specs on this one looks sweet, but im ofc. no expert since i have never actually owned an electric (im a pretty fine acoustic guitar player though)..

For my first electric i wanted some real good quality for a reasonable price and this one has the right price, but is it any good?

I hope all of you guitar nuts out there are willing to give a helping hand to a noob :-)

This is what the description says? Is it a good guitar or should i leave it where it is ?

Fender Blacktop Stratocaster Electric Guitar - made in Mexico, alder body, maple neck, maple fretboard, 22 medium frets, 648mm scale, thomann 42mm nut width, 2x Hot Vintage alnico humbucker pickups, 5-way switch, vintage style Synchronized tremolo, Skrid amp knobs
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The 22 frets on an MIM strat is a bonus all day. If the individual guitar feels good in your hands and you'd like 2 humbuckers its a good choice.

That being said you can get so much more bang for the buck looking for a used MIM strat or similar. MIM strats are huge value used.

Also, what amp are you planning on getting, whats your budget for the guitar and the amp, or is it an altogether budget? These things are very important. In the semi-budget electric guitar world (under say 800 or 1k for the entire rig) a nice amp is much more important than a nice guitar.

Give us some info on the your budget for your amp, guitar, and what kind of music you're playing and we can give you some much more complete answers.
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The guitar is good, but if you play it through a crap amp it will sound well crap.
MarcFlink
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Yeah guys, but i am really confused about the amp stuff

I think im going to get a Fender Mustang I V.2 but i dont really know.

I have around 1300 dollars to spend all in all and the blacktop takes around 900 dollars out of it (Prices are totally inflated in europe for some reason, sadly)

Any suggestions on amps or whatever else i should get? Im really lost in all of this.. And i dont have anywhere in my town where they sell used guitars...
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Quote by MarcFlink
Yeah guys, but i am really confused about the amp stuff

I think im going to get a Fender Mustang I V.2 but i dont really know.

I have around 1300 dollars to spend all in all and the blacktop takes around 900 dollars out of it (Prices are totally inflated in europe for some reason, sadly)

Any suggestions on amps or whatever else i should get? Im really lost in all of this.. And i dont have anywhere in my town where they sell used guitars...

Dude, that price is ridiculous. Isn't there some other brand of strat that will satisfy your needs? Seems like you should be able to find something that was made in Korea or even Japan for less.
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Euros = pretty much dollars when it comes to guitar prices. So if a guitar in Europe costs €500, in USA it usually costs $500.

So TS, it would be easier if you just talked about euros.

So... You've got €1000 to spend?

Yeah... Blacktop Strat costs €600 in Thomann. You still have €400 to spend on an amp. (Which is the same as $400 to spend on an amp in USA.)

But yeah, you don't really need to spend all the money on guitar gear. It's good to buy a modeling amp as your first amp because you get an idea of what kind of tones you could achieve. They give you an idea of how a Marshall or Fender or Mesa or whatever amp sounds and how different effects sound. This way you'll notice which amps and effects you like and in the future buy the real things.
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It's a great guitar but wow I can't believe it costs that much O.o its kind of insane
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Quote by randywolf244
It's a great guitar but wow I can't believe it costs that much O.o its kind of insane

It doesn't even cost $900. You can get it for €600 ($780) if you buy from Thomann. But as I said, you really can't compare euros to dollars. Prices in USA are different and if a guitar in Europe costs €600, in USA it costs $600.

So TS, try to look if you can find it for cheaper because I'm pretty sure you can. And Thomann might not even be the cheapest place to buy it.
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Thanks for the reply.


But what modelling amp can i get. Do you have an example of one that i could afford that is good??

And you are right, Thomann was alot cheaper than my local place.

Or maybe someone else has a suggestion for the right amp, now that we have established that the guitar is great?
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Or maybe i should just get a Fender Squire Classic Vibe, or a Standard strat(http://www.thomann.de/dk/fender_standard_strat_2011_mn_awt.htm).. It's about half the price of the Blactop?? And spend the rest on a proper amp, but i don't know. What do you guys think about that? And if yes, then please suggest some amps... ;p
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What kind of music are you going to play? Blacktop guitars are designed for heavier styles so if you don't play metal, a regular Strat might be better for you. But I don't think you can go wrong with any of those.

I haven't tried it but Peavey Vypyr gets a lot of praise here. And people usually suggest 30+ watt versions because they have a 12 inch speaker that is better than the smaller speaker in the 15 watt version.
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The 30 watt vypyr is a good value. I think its the only modeling amp in that price range with a 12 inch speaker.

Edit: And the Mustang II 40 watt. Haven't had a chance to try that one yet, but I've heard good things.
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I have the Vypyr 30. I like it okay, probably is a good value for money. I kinda wish I'd sprung for a tube amp, though, because I don't really get the tones I want out of this amp. It sounds too clean and most of the distorted settings are garbage unless you play shred/newer metal.

Guess it comes down to personal preference. Also the amp is pretty heavy and bulky. A definite pain if you have to walk it anywhere.
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Quote by MarcFlink
Or maybe i should just get a Fender Squire Classic Vibe, or a Standard strat(http://www.thomann.de/dk/fender_standard_strat_2011_mn_awt.htm).. It's about half the price of the Blactop?? And spend the rest on a proper amp, but i don't know. What do you guys think about that? And if yes, then please suggest some amps... ;p


Squier Classic Vibe would be a way better bargain for the money, then you can buy an actually good amp.
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Squier Classic Vibe would be a way better bargain for the money, then you can buy an actually good amp.

But remember that TS is a beginner when it comes to guitar sounds. He might not know what kind of tones he's after. That's why I would buy a good modeling amp and not a tube amp (that I think you referred to when you said "an actually good amp").

Modeling amps give you an idea how different amps and effects sound. That's why it's good to buy a modeler as your first amp.

And the price difference between Squier CV and Fender Standard Strat isn't that big, it's under €100.
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The Blacktop will be a better guitar in every way to the Squiers.

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So i should get the Standard Strat and then the choice is between these two

Peavey Vypyr 30 http://www.thomann.de/dk/peavey_vypyr_30.htm
and
Fender Mustang II http://www.thomann.de/dk/fender_mustang_ii_v2.htm

The price is pretty much the same but from the specs which one is the better. Does anyone have one of those, or have had??

On the budge part,, if i go for a standard strat, i would have around 470 euros left to buy an amp.. Would that leave me with better options or is there too far between?
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I wouldn't suggest a modelling amp at all, to be honest with you. It stunts the development of your musical ear and you *will* end up replacing it anyways. There are tube amps out there that can and will deliver a lot of sounds for the money. A good entry level amp that can cover a very wide range of sounds and tones while not digitizing the shit out of everything is the Blackstar HT-5. No idea how attainable one of those would be, but i would start with something like that.
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Quote by Acϵ♠
I wouldn't suggest a modelling amp at all, to be honest with you. It stunts the development of your musical ear and you *will* end up replacing it anyways. There are tube amps out there that can and will deliver a lot of sounds for the money. A good entry level amp that can cover a very wide range of sounds and tones while not digitizing the shit out of everything is the Blackstar HT-5. No idea how attainable one of those would be, but i would start with something like that.



Sounds like someone's never played a VT30.

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The fender blacktops are okay. I almost bought one a while back, but I didn't like the glossy neck at all.
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Quote by MaggaraMarine
But remember that TS is a beginner when it comes to guitar sounds. He might not know what kind of tones he's after. That's why I would buy a good modeling amp and not a tube amp (that I think you referred to when you said "an actually good amp").

The tweakers can get alot of different tones and they're tube.
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You might also look at Godin- I just checked on Thomann, and Session models go for just under 500€, and they have a b-stock Freeway for @550€. The regular price for the Freeway is @600€.

http://www.thomann.de/gb/search_dir.html?sw=Godin&oa=pra&viewMode=block

My personal feeling is that the Godins will be a little bit better than that Blacktop Strat, and they'll save you a few Euros you can direct towards your amp or other necessities. The Session has a humbucker in the bridge and single-coils in the neck. The Freeway, like the Blacktop, has a singlecoil sandwiched between humbuckers in the bridge and neck.

If you're not planning on playing with others in the relatively near future, you can save yourself a little more money by eschewing an amp and using headphones and a good portable amp/pedal modeling device (which is the way I went for 3 years before buying a Fender HRD combo amp):

Boss Micro-BR 4 track
http://www.guitarcenter.com/-i1169092.gc

Pocket POD
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Line-6-Pocket-POD-Guitar-Multi-Effects-Processor-104391875-i1173933.gc

Tascam GT-R1
http://www.guitarcenter.com/TASCAM-GT-R1-Portable-Guitar-Bass-Recorder-105125306-i1401677.gc
http://www.guitarcenter.com/TASCAM-DR-1-GT-R1-Accessory-Kit-105020473-i1402140.gc

Korg Pandora Mini
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Korg-Pandora-Mini-PXMINI-Guitar-Multi-Effects-Processor-H70754-i1746466.gc

Korg Px4
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Korg-Pandora-PX4D-Guitar-Multi-Effects-Processor-103381554-i1124641.gc

Korg Px5
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Korg-Pandora-PX5D-Guitar-Multi-Effects-Processor-104821715-i1387080.gc

Here is a visual comparison of (left to right) Tascam, my PX-5 and one of my Px4s to my old Aiwa cassette player:



With the exception of the Tascam, none of the devices I pointed out has decent acoustic recording capacity. What they DO have are features like tuners, metronomes, drum synthesizers, and digital amp & pedal modeling.

So with decent headphones, you can rock out like you were playing Texas Stadium. And yes, they are all about the size of an old Walkman.

The ones I own: the Tascam has the external mics, a phrase trainer (loop & slow down stuff for practicing), and takes SD cards. Both it and the PX5 can connect directly to your computer via a USB port. The PX4 is discontinued, but it can still be easily found. It is less powerful than the PX5, but, oddly, the PX5 does not have a belt/strap hook.

The ones I don't own: The Line6 PocketPOD is, I believe, the most popular device like this; the Boss might be the most powerful (and priciest); the Pandora Mini is the smallest (its about the size of a stack of business cards), cheapest, and least powerful.
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^ For the same price you could also buy a Microcube.

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The tweakers can get alot of different tones and they're tube.

But there are certain advantages in modeling amps. For example you hear how different effects sound. I'm not saying tube amps are one trick ponies but modeling amps are so much more versatile. You get lots of tones and it doesn't matter which genre you play. If TS buys a cheap and decent modeler like Microcube, it doesn't cost a lot and he can upgrade it pretty soon. He will save money and after having the Microcube for some time, TS knows which tones he really likes and then he can buy the amp he likes. The amp models are usually pretty close to the real thing. At least it gives you an idea how the real thing sounds like. One good thing in Microcube is that it's small and runs with batteries (same with those Pocket Pods and stuff dannyalcatraz recommended).
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For the same price you could also buy a Microcube.


Which is a good and valid option.

But a Microcube, AFAIK, does not fit in a guitar case, have a metronome, preprogrammed drum tracks, microphonic to card or USB direct to PC recording, and some of the other features that some of those devices do.

They're just a slightly different path; not for everyone, but perfect for some.
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