#1
Hey guys, just wanted to ask a few questions to some people with experience in the field. I was debating studying lutherie, you see, at Southeast Tech (Minnesota). Apparently this is one of the better places to learn, they offer a few separate diplomas, Development and Production, Repair and Building, Electric Guitar, and Violin. I could potentially end up investing about $35k with all the aforementioned courses completed, and have the tools, experience, and an acoustic, electric, and mandolin/violin.

The courses cover everything from neck resets, CNC, drafting, advanced finishes, etc.

I was just wondering, do you guys think it's worth it?

I mean, especially with the internet, I'm sure I could just get some tools together and start building necks, but is training in a school setting preferred in the industry? How far will a simple investment like this get me in the industry?

Thanks for your input!
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Last edited by DeathByDestroyr at Mar 24, 2013,
#2
Thats cool.
If it interests you why not try it out?
Getting taught how to do something is always easier and better in the long run.
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#3
So you are saying that, yea, formal training is quite beneficial in any field, including lutherie. Get as much of it as you can.

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#5
Quote by Explorerbuilder
I dont think its worth 35k, thats for sure... You can learn all of that just from a local luthier or from the internet.

I did not see that....
I would have to agree that 35k is a little pricy for something alot of luthiers will gladly teach an intern for sweeping the floors......
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2009 Epiphone G-400 (SH-4)
Marshall JCM2000 DSL100
Krank 1980 Jr 20watt
Krank Rev 4x12 (eminence V12)
GFS Greenie/Digitech Bad Monkey
Morley Bad Horsie 2
MXR Smart Gate
#6
Well that's three diplomas and a certificate, estimated program cost is ~10k for each diploma(Repair/Building, Development/Production, Violin), and then the electric guitar certificate.

I could totally just do repair/building, but more traditional schooling would definitely give me an advantage in the job market.

However, doing so would leave me without CNC, neck resets, etc.

It's supposed to be a very good place to learn.

Any more input is appreciated.
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Last edited by DeathByDestroyr at Mar 24, 2013,
#7
The job field for luthiery is extremely limited as it is. I dont believe having a diploma for it will help you in any way.
99% of all successful luthiers dont have any degree or anything like that. It all came from learning on their own or from another guitar builder.

I would never have paid to go to school for something like this. I have learned all i have just from the internet and on my own, and i consider myself extremely successful.
#8
I get all of that at my local community college. I think the going rate is about $600 for a 6 credit course, $300 for a 3 credit course. I don't know for sure, I use the GI Bill for everything.

But you could essentially do:

Beginning Electric
Advanced Electric
Steel String Acoustic
Classical Acoustic
Instrument Finishing
Setup and Repair
French Polish
Intro to CNC
Advanced CNC
Inlay
Rosette Making
Intro to Woodworking

and there are ton of others. Those classes I mentioned would probably run around $5000. There are going to be other costs though, like some materials and a few tools, so add another $2000-$3000. Still, for well under $10,000, you get quite a bit. And there are many, many more classes to choose from outside of lutherie.

http://www.rrcc.edu/finewood/courses.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5n9hEkJANVc
#9
Repair and Building:
GTRB1400 Introduction to Tools 3cr
GTRB1405 Guitar Overview 2cr
GTRB1410 Acoustic Guitar Set-up, Lab 3cr
GTRB1415 Electric Guitar Set Up, Lab 3cr
GTRB1420 Acoustic Guitar Neck Resets 2cr
GTRB1425 Fretwork 3cr
GTRB1430 Guitar Acoustics 1cr
GTRB1440 Acoustic Guitar Construction Lecture 4cr
GTRB1445 Acoustic Guitar Construction Lab 6cr
GTRB1450 Introduction to Finishing 4cr
GTRB1455 Guitar Repairs

Development & Production:

GTRB2400 Advanced Guitar Repair 3cr
GTRB2410 Guitar Special Topics 1cr
GTRB2415 Computer Drafting for Guitar 3cr
GTRB2420 CNC for Guitar 3cr
GTRB2425 Archtop/Mandolin Construction I 6cr
GTRB2430 Advanced Guitar Construction 8cr
GTRB2435 Advanced Guitar Finishing 3cr
GTRB2440 Advanced Guitar Inlay 2cr
GTRB2445 Archtop/Mandolin Construction II

Electric Guitar Building:

GTRB1405 Guitar Overview 2cr
GTRB1415 Electric Guitar Set Up, Lab 3cr
GTRB1418 Electric Guitar Construction 4cr
GTRB1425 Fretwork 3cr
Introduction to Finishing 4cr

Violin:

VLNR1301 Introduction to Tools 2cr
VLNR1305 Basic Materials 1cr
VLNR1312 Introduction to Violin Playing 1cr
VLNR1315 Violin History 2cr
VLNR1321 Bow Rehairing 4cr
VLNR1324 Bow Repairs 1cr
VLNR1327 Violin Varnish 2cr
VLNR1341 Ebony Work 5cr
VLNR1351 Bridges and Soundposts 8cr
VLNR1361 Violin Repairing

I'll likely at least do the Repair and Building, that would look pretty good to Fender or PRS.
"If you're looking for me,
you better check under the sea,
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Last edited by DeathByDestroyr at Mar 24, 2013,
#10
Quote by DeathByDestroyr
Repair and Building:
GTRB1400 Introduction to Tools 3cr
GTRB1405 Guitar Overview 2cr
GTRB1410 Acoustic Guitar Set-up, Lab 3cr
GTRB1415 Electric Guitar Set Up, Lab 3cr
GTRB1420 Acoustic Guitar Neck Resets 2cr
GTRB1425 Fretwork 3cr
GTRB1430 Guitar Acoustics 1cr
GTRB1440 Acoustic Guitar Construction Lecture 4cr
GTRB1445 Acoustic Guitar Construction Lab 6cr
GTRB1450 Introduction to Finishing 4cr
GTRB1455 Guitar Repairs

Development & Production:

GTRB2400 Advanced Guitar Repair 3cr
GTRB2410 Guitar Special Topics 1cr
GTRB2415 Computer Drafting for Guitar 3cr
GTRB2420 CNC for Guitar 3cr
GTRB2425 Archtop/Mandolin Construction I 6cr
GTRB2430 Advanced Guitar Construction 8cr
GTRB2435 Advanced Guitar Finishing 3cr
GTRB2440 Advanced Guitar Inlay 2cr
GTRB2445 Archtop/Mandolin Construction II

Electric Guitar Building:

GTRB1405 Guitar Overview 2cr
GTRB1415 Electric Guitar Set Up, Lab 3cr
GTRB1418 Electric Guitar Construction 4cr
GTRB1425 Fretwork 3cr
Introduction to Finishing 4cr

Violin:

VLNR1301 Introduction to Tools 2cr
VLNR1305 Basic Materials 1cr
VLNR1312 Introduction to Violin Playing 1cr
VLNR1315 Violin History 2cr
VLNR1321 Bow Rehairing 4cr
VLNR1324 Bow Repairs 1cr
VLNR1327 Violin Varnish 2cr
VLNR1341 Ebony Work 5cr
VLNR1351 Bridges and Soundposts 8cr
VLNR1361 Violin Repairing

I'll likely at least do the Repair and Building, that would look pretty good to Fender or PRS.

You would want some kind of CAD/CNC training for most guitar companys now days.
2002 PRS CE22
2013 G&L ASAT Deluxe
2009 Epiphone G-400 (SH-4)
Marshall JCM2000 DSL100
Krank 1980 Jr 20watt
Krank Rev 4x12 (eminence V12)
GFS Greenie/Digitech Bad Monkey
Morley Bad Horsie 2
MXR Smart Gate
#11
Quote by Explorerbuilder
The job field for luthiery is extremely limited as it is. I dont believe having a diploma for it will help you in any way.
99% of all successful luthiers dont have any degree or anything like that. It all came from learning on their own or from another guitar builder.

I would never have paid to go to school for something like this. I have learned all i have just from the internet and on my own, and i consider myself extremely successful.


+1. Mate, far too many people are suckered into wasting 1000s of $ on a useless piece of paper, thinking that it's going to help them in the jobs market. Don't forget, higher education is a profitable industry, and it's in the interests of educational institutions to get as many people as possible doing their courses. Unless you're doing something that is driven by qualifications, such as being a doctor, scientist, teacher, engineer, etc, there is little point in getting yourself a degree. You will save a hell of a lot of money and can spend the time you save actually learning something useful, in this case, guitar luthierie.

/rant.
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Last edited by eddiehimself at Mar 24, 2013,
#12
I definitely agree with you guys. Probably more beneficial to just take a class or two in CNC, and just rough-saw a crapload of necks/bodies one day and go to town.
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#14
Quote by DeathByDestroyr
Repair and Building:
GTRB1400 Introduction to Tools 3cr
GTRB1405 Guitar Overview 2cr
GTRB1410 Acoustic Guitar Set-up, Lab 3cr
GTRB1415 Electric Guitar Set Up, Lab 3cr
GTRB1420 Acoustic Guitar Neck Resets 2cr
GTRB1425 Fretwork 3cr
GTRB1430 Guitar Acoustics 1cr
GTRB1440 Acoustic Guitar Construction Lecture 4cr
GTRB1445 Acoustic Guitar Construction Lab 6cr
GTRB1450 Introduction to Finishing 4cr
GTRB1455 Guitar Repairs

Development & Production:

GTRB2400 Advanced Guitar Repair 3cr
GTRB2410 Guitar Special Topics 1cr
GTRB2415 Computer Drafting for Guitar 3cr
GTRB2420 CNC for Guitar 3cr
GTRB2425 Archtop/Mandolin Construction I 6cr
GTRB2430 Advanced Guitar Construction 8cr
GTRB2435 Advanced Guitar Finishing 3cr
GTRB2440 Advanced Guitar Inlay 2cr
GTRB2445 Archtop/Mandolin Construction II

Electric Guitar Building:

GTRB1405 Guitar Overview 2cr
GTRB1415 Electric Guitar Set Up, Lab 3cr
GTRB1418 Electric Guitar Construction 4cr
GTRB1425 Fretwork 3cr
Introduction to Finishing 4cr

Violin:

VLNR1301 Introduction to Tools 2cr
VLNR1305 Basic Materials 1cr
VLNR1312 Introduction to Violin Playing 1cr
VLNR1315 Violin History 2cr
VLNR1321 Bow Rehairing 4cr
VLNR1324 Bow Repairs 1cr
VLNR1327 Violin Varnish 2cr
VLNR1341 Ebony Work 5cr
VLNR1351 Bridges and Soundposts 8cr
VLNR1361 Violin Repairing

I'll likely at least do the Repair and Building, that would look pretty good to Fender or PRS.
I don't know if this was a response to me, but I see maybe 2 classes up there that aren't offered at my school, Archtop construction, and violin building. And we do offer violin building from time to time, and archtop building instruction might be available in one of the other classes upon special request.

Basically, is the school you want to go to $27,000 better? Maybe, idk