foochcky
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I know this is strictly an opinion question but that's what I want is different opinions to consider. I going to upgrade my guitar setup. I currently have a lower end Ibanez RG3EXFM1 (about $350 at Guitar Center) and a Fender Mustang II modeling amp.

I am looking at ESP Ltd's (the EC1000 and MH1000) and some Schecters. I want input about those choices.

Also since most of those have active pickups I want a decent tube amp. Not valve but a real tube amp. At the same time I can't afford a $2000 amp. I have looked at Blackstar & Fender to name a couple. Both are in the $700 range. Opinions on those or other recommendations.

I should mention that I like to play anywhere from classic rock to metal. So that is my main sound preference range. Please give me details about why you recommend what you do. Thanks all!
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i've never operated on any animals before ( sorry), but I can still tell you that valves are the same thing as tubes.

most (maybe all) of the blackstar HT series is hybrid i.e. not all-tube. They're not hybrid like a marshall valvestate is (i.e. 99% solid state), but they're about 50:50.

i'd avoid fender, assuming you're looking at the hot rod or blues deluxe. Nice cleans, but the od channels are pretty meh at best.

what do you mean by metal?

the ltd 1000 series is pretty nice. I'd most likely take one over any schecters i've tried. that being said at the price they are (here in europe anyway, maybe not the same in the USA) you're maybe not that far off the really high end stuff in terms of price.
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foochcky
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Quote by Dave_Mc
i've never operated on any animals before ( sorry), but I can still tell you that valves are the same thing as tubes.

most (maybe all) of the blackstar HT series is hybrid i.e. not all-tube. They're not hybrid like a marshall valvestate is (i.e. 99% solid state), but they're about 50:50.

i'd avoid fender, assuming you're looking at the hot rod or blues deluxe. Nice cleans, but the od channels are pretty meh at best.

what do you mean by metal?

the ltd 1000 series is pretty nice. I'd most likely take one over any schecters i've tried. that being said at the price they are (here in europe anyway, maybe not the same in the USA) you're maybe not that far off the really high end stuff in terms of price.


Mostly older metal like judas priest, metallica, ozzy. Up to newer stuff like Zakk, Disturbed, etc... Just that simple crunchy type sound. Nothing extreme like speed or death metal. And I guess the mostly SS thing is what I meant. I've just had people tell me that not all tube amps are created equal. Which I'm sure is true, especially considering the range in price. I just want a good tube sound that will warrant having active pickups, without going over $1000
Last edited by foochcky at Mar 24, 2013,
DeathByDestroyr
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See, it's important that people clarify when they say "metal", because I pretty much always assume they are a Cannibal Corpse fanboi.

Now just tell us where you live, and if you're willing to go used.
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Quote by DeathByDestroyr
See, it's important that people clarify when they say "metal", because I pretty much always assume they are a Cannibal Corpse fanboi.

Now just tell us where you live, and if you're willing to go used.


I'm in Central NY, near Syracuse. I guess I don't have a problem with used. I've just always been more of a fan of buying something new.
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Go to this site and search for the diffrent amps listed www.guitarcenter.com/used they have Peavey ultra combos for <$400 which are the amps before the Peavey JSX/XXX/3120
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Quote by Fisheth24
Won't any tube amps warrant having actives, based around the way the tubes dynamically change?


There was no such thing as active pick up and everyone used valve amps in the early days of Heavy Metal. So the short answer is no.
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Check out stiff amps. The 90ad might fit what you are looking for or maybe the fist pump. 500 bucks for the 20 watt head and then just grab a used 1x12 or 2x12 cab.
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Used Marshall jcm900 or DSL combo, all the band's you listed use or have used marshalls.
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the problem with the ltd is the scale length from nut to bridge is shorter than ur ibanez. the problem with your ibanez is that its made in indonesia. if u play death metal, active is what u want. if you play everything else, active is extremely limited with the sounds u can get. with that being said, the ltd gives you bridge humbucker, neck humbucker or both. not unless there is a push pull knob for coil tap, will you ever have the sound versatility of your sub-par ibanez. what i would do if i was you, go to a local store, and look for an ibanez that says japan on the back. if its got a locking trem, get a WD tremolo stabilizer. it will keep it still until u need it to go up or down. not a block. i hate blocks. i also hate floating trems. this will make it feel like a fixed bridge. but still has up and down action. i would recommend ANY stock ibanez rg570 over anything being made since 2003. as for an all tube amp, if ur on a budget, go for a peavey valveking 2x12. thing has noise reduction built in to the distortion channel, so theres not a ton of noise. theres also a ton of mods that make the amp greater than it already is. if u want to take some advice, i got tons that will save u lots of money getting what u need the first time. i been through ******ed amounts of guitars till i found rg570 with the wd stabilizer is king. as for the amp deal, start with the peavey. never the 6505+. horrid sounding all the way around.
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Quote by coldandhomeless
the problem with the ltd is the scale length from nut to bridge is shorter than ur ibanez. the problem with your ibanez is that its made in indonesia. if u play death metal, active is what u want. if you play everything else, active is extremely limited with the sounds u can get. with that being said, the ltd gives you bridge humbucker, neck humbucker or both. not unless there is a push pull knob for coil tap, will you ever have the sound versatility of your sub-par ibanez. what i would do if i was you, go to a local store, and look for an ibanez that says japan on the back. if its got a locking trem, get a WD tremolo stabilizer. it will keep it still until u need it to go up or down. not a block. i hate blocks. i also hate floating trems. this will make it feel like a fixed bridge. but still has up and down action. i would recommend ANY stock ibanez rg570 over anything being made since 2003. as for an all tube amp, if ur on a budget, go for a peavey valveking 2x12. thing has noise reduction built in to the distortion channel, so theres not a ton of noise. theres also a ton of mods that make the amp greater than it already is. if u want to take some advice, i got tons that will save u lots of money getting what u need the first time. i been through ******ed amounts of guitars till i found rg570 with the wd stabilizer is king. as for the amp deal, start with the peavey. never the 6505+. horrid sounding all the way around.

Using capital letters is good

I could not read this it hurt my eyes
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Quote by coldandhomeless
the problem with the ltd is the scale length from nut to bridge is shorter than ur ibanez. the problem with your ibanez is that its made in indonesia. if u play death metal, active is what u want. if you play everything else, active is extremely limited with the sounds u can get. with that being said, the ltd gives you bridge humbucker, neck humbucker or both. not unless there is a push pull knob for coil tap, will you ever have the sound versatility of your sub-par ibanez. what i would do if i was you, go to a local store, and look for an ibanez that says japan on the back. if its got a locking trem, get a WD tremolo stabilizer. it will keep it still until u need it to go up or down. not a block. i hate blocks. i also hate floating trems. this will make it feel like a fixed bridge. but still has up and down action. i would recommend ANY stock ibanez rg570 over anything being made since 2003. as for an all tube amp, if ur on a budget, go for a peavey valveking 2x12. thing has noise reduction built in to the distortion channel, so theres not a ton of noise. theres also a ton of mods that make the amp greater than it already is. if u want to take some advice, i got tons that will save u lots of money getting what u need the first time. i been through ******ed amounts of guitars till i found rg570 with the wd stabilizer is king. as for the amp deal, start with the peavey. never the 6505+. horrid sounding all the way around.


Horribly formatted post with some stupid info. The 6505 is horrible? No. Maybe you don't like it, but it doesn't sound horrible.

Please, learn to paragraph.
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Quote by Kevin Saale
Horribly formatted post with some stupid info. The 6505 is horrible? No. Maybe you don't like it, but it doesn't sound horrible.

Please, learn to paragraph.

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Quote by Robbgnarly
Using capital letters is good


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foochcky
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Wow! I love how my thread for information from knowledgeable guitarists has turned into a forum about grammar.

Thanks guys, but not really helping me.
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when posting on this forum, im on my fone. so somebody needs to go back to bashing youtube videos instead of my sentance structure or spelling. im trying to help these people, you people are assholes.
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Quote by coldandhomeless
when posting on this forum, im on my fone. so somebody needs to go back to bashing youtube videos instead of my sentance structure or spelling. im trying to help these people, you people are assholes.


But even ignoring that your advice isn't helpful. Saying the 6505 is a bad amp is nonsense, it's one of the go to amps for metal! Loved by loads!
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and it said gear advice from vets. not shitty wannabes. learn to play your instruments before you call yourself vets. i been around the block once or twice. the 6505+ is horrid shit. noisy as hell... muddy, just plain shitty. i know u like it, but ur music speaks for itself. if this guy wants advice, he will try it out and agree with me. my advice isnt stupid, it makes alot more sence than, "use capital letters" because at the end of the day, NOONE GIVES A SHIT!!! theres capitals for u ****tards.
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So 18 years experience doesn't count as being able to play my instrument?
Do us all a favour and bugger off back to your cardboard box, that's the last I'll say on the matter.
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LOL @ derail

Marshall recommendations are good for those bands/genres. I'll also 2nd the EVH 5150 50w recommendation. Great amp and can handle whatever you want to throw at it. Can get the head and a 1x12 cab for under $1200. You could find one of the Marshalls used for a lot less though.
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coldandhomeless
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the 6505 aint bad... its the plus model that lacks clarity. they cascade too many tubes for more gain, and it makes it a one trick pony with dirty clean channel. i realize that people like them, i just sold mine cause it only did metal. my advice aint bad, ltd guitars appeal to the chugga chugga crowd. so do the actives, and the 6505+. the point i was trying to make is that if you want versatility, actives in an ltd plugged into a 6505+ is the opposite of versatile. with the ibanez, its at least gonna give u alot of sounds. just make sure its from japan if you want a good one. thats why i said it, cause its the truth. alot of people ditch their floyd guitars cause they cant deal with them. thats why i recommended the wd tremolo stabilizer. no caps cause im still on a fone... perhaps i should make a disclaimer for those who feel like bashing again...
NotTheMessiah30
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I only bashed because I felt you had an unfair and perhaps biased opinion of the 6505+, and you may have noticed I made no comment on your grammar. FWIW the plus can do cleans ok, IMO at least, granted they're not the best but when dialled in right they're not bad either. Also the fact it has more gain on tap doesn't really make much odds either, since you don't have to keep the gain maxed out and indeed a lot of the time I don't. It really depends on what I'm playing so I wouldn't say it's the complete opposite of versatile, but yes it is restricted to metal. But then hey, that's what it's aimed for right?! so no matter. Also bare in mind that the combos and heads are a little different so perhaps if it's a case that you've only tried out the combos then maybe it might be worth giving the head a chance, that is only IF though. Not making assumptions, just saying..

Other than that though, I agree with the rest of your advice, especially with the point about going with MIJ. Though I will add that when it comes to floyds it really depends if you get a good one, an OFR is going to trounce licensed ones all day long for example.
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Quote by coldandhomeless
when posting on this forum, im on my fone. so somebody needs to go back to bashing youtube videos instead of my sentance structure or spelling. im trying to help these people, you people are assholes.

I can do capital letters and paragraphs on my phone

And don't come into this forum all high and mighty like your the man. Be polite and people will take you much more seriously.......
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Not really sure what is going on in this thread but here is some rec's


http://syracuse.craigslist.org/msg/3658929016.html Bugera 333XL
http://syracuse.craigslist.org/msg/3664916613.html Line 6 HD100
http://syracuse.craigslist.org/msg/3607429011.html FJA modded 6506
http://syracuse.craigslist.org/msg/3662604824.html SpiderValve 212
http://syracuse.craigslist.org/msg/3646893484.html 6505
http://syracuse.craigslist.org/msg/3626839393.html 6505+112
http://elmira.craigslist.org/msg/3660980062.html some sort of Mesa
http://utica.craigslist.org/msg/3691825619.html Tweaker 40


New - I'd look at the 6505+112, Vypyr 60 and that Stiff amp. Maybe a JCA 50 depending on the metal. Valvekings are decent too with some modifications/pedals
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#28
Quote by coldandhomeless
the 6505 aint bad... its the plus model that lacks clarity. they cascade too many tubes for more gain, and it makes it a one trick pony with dirty clean channel. i realize that people like them, i just sold mine cause it only did metal. my advice aint bad, ltd guitars appeal to the chugga chugga crowd. so do the actives, and the 6505+. the point i was trying to make is that if you want versatility, actives in an ltd plugged into a 6505+ is the opposite of versatile. with the ibanez, its at least gonna give u alot of sounds. just make sure its from japan if you want a good one. thats why i said it, cause its the truth. alot of people ditch their floyd guitars cause they cant deal with them. thats why i recommended the wd tremolo stabilizer. no caps cause im still on a fone... perhaps i should make a disclaimer for those who feel like bashing again...
They didn't add any more stages to the +. The problem with the + isn't the design, it's the shitty stock tubes. You just put decent tubes in them and they are no worse than a 5150. Who runs the stock tubes in any budget amp? You'd have to be as dumb as a newt.
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coldandhomeless
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back to the bashing again... 5150 and 6505 are the same amp... lol... the valveking is sweet tho... and cheap too! give it a shot.
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The Valve King needs the tubes replaced (and the speaker) before they sound any good too.
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