#1
Do you think that music which only uses notes in a diatonic scale, while not containing a pitch that feels like a tonal center, exists?

I was looking at a school assignment, where there were some exercises involving pandiatonic melodies, but none of them felt to me like they lacked a tonal center. One of my professors said he doesn't think that can exist, and he's never heard a good example of it.

Anyways, what do you guys think?
#2
Well the idea of pandiatonicism is less about using the diatonic scale without a tonic and more about using the diatonic scale without the notion of functional harmony. That happens all the time.
#3
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Well the idea of pandiatonicism is less about using the diatonic scale without a tonic and more about using the diatonic scale without the notion of functional harmony. That happens all the time.
Yeah, but for here, I'm talking about actually lacking a tonal center.
#4
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Yeah, but for here, I'm talking about actually lacking a tonal center.


That's not the point of it though.
If you'd want to avoid tonal centres you would go for a different technique.

Pandiatonicism is more about the 'suggestion' of a tonal centre, without really 'defining' it with a functional cadence.
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Play all the whites notes on a piano at once, you're welcome.

Cmaj9,13,add4


...modes and scales are still useless.


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That's not the point of it though.
If you'd want to avoid tonal centres you would go for a different technique.

Pandiatonicism is more about the 'suggestion' of a tonal centre, without really 'defining' it with a functional cadence.
Ok fine, but that still doesn't answer the first sentence of OP.
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do you even music bro??

from time 2 time

...modes and scales are still useless.


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Do you think that music which only uses notes in a diatonic scale, while not containing a pitch that feels like a tonal center, exists?

I was looking at a school assignment, where there were some exercises involving pandiatonic melodies, but none of them felt to me like they lacked a tonal center. One of my professors said he doesn't think that can exist, and he's never heard a good example of it.

Anyways, what do you guys think?


If you are talking about pure atonality, I think that is moot. I think Schoenberg says there is no such thing because there is always some theoretical relationship between tones.
#12
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Schoenberg says there is no such thing because there is always some theoretical relationship between tones.

it's a glass half full / half empty kind of thing at that point

...modes and scales are still useless.


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#13
so you're talking about making atonal music using a diatonic scale? That sounds like it may not be possible. there is a lot of music that's ambiguous as to the tonal center but still has one.