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exactly as the title says.

just convinced the fiance to let me cover a 7x7 room we have with sound boards. and use it as a mini rec studio. but I brought in the 4x12 and my 5153 and it still pretty much just tried to blow my house down. all this is for is basic home recording stuff. to send riffs back and forth between band members via soundcloud or the like.
ill be micing a ppc112 i got off craigslist. I just need a head that is low watts (so she sounds good at in home volume) and can do the heavyness. If i need to boost with an OD thats fine.

I have owned the Diamond assasin. before so i was looking at it again. but Im ALWAYS lookin into new ideas.

price range is up to 500usd. used or new IDC
#2
Common misconception. Big wattage amps like the 5153 have master volumes for a reason. There's no need to get a small watt tube head, especially if you're soundproofing it. You can easily get a decent sound at low volumes with that amp.

I doubt your fiance will understand or reason, but that's the truth.
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#4
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Common misconception. Big wattage amps like the 5153 have master volumes for a reason. There's no need to get a small watt tube head, especially if you're soundproofing it. You can easily get a decent sound at low volumes with that amp.

I doubt your fiance will understand or reason, but that's the truth.



really? my 5153 sounds like trash at any sort of low volume. its either. balls to the wall or not at all.


just checked out the baron snott watt and it punched me in the face. but 700 is steep for a lunbox amp
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really? my 5153 sounds like trash at any sort of low volume. its either. balls to the wall or not at all.

I find that really hard to believe. Like the people above said, amps have master volumes for a reason. While most (might) sound like trash if you are trying to get to whisper volume, they can sound great at tolerable levels without diming everything.

I really doubt that getting a low wattage luncher is going to solve your problem.
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#7
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really? my 5153 sounds like trash at any sort of low volume. its either. balls to the wall or not at all.


just checked out the baron snott watt and it punched me in the face. but 700 is steep for a lunbox amp


I'd get the Baron Snott Watt. I was going to recommend it.
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#8
ok ok ok.. for arguments sake. lets just say im in the market for a lunbox amp...

OK GO!
#9
Get a Mark IV. Master volume.

JCM2000 DSL. Master volume.

Dual rectifier. Master volume.

Spend a few hundred bucks more...
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just checked out the baron snott watt and it punched me in the face. but 700 is steep for a lunbox amp


That's not really here or there - you are always paying for quality, not wattage or form factor.

The Snott Watt is definitely the lunchbox to look at.
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#11
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That's not really here or there - you are always paying for quality, not wattage or form factor.

The Snott Watt is definitely the lunchbox to look at.



Thats generally what im seeing.

the new randall diavlo 5 is neat. but it seems more sludgy than tight metal.
#12
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Thats generally what im seeing.

the new randall diavlo 5 is neat. but it seems more sludgy than tight metal.



Convince your fiance to spend an extra few hundred for an amp thats not a toy.


I think ENGL launched a new lunch box that sounds like a real amp. Ironball or something. Also the bogner ATMA.

ATMA:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trCDFEdAtLE

Ironball:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPbAVYvM3M8
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#13
Laney just released a 15 watt lunch box amp head of the Iron Heart. Could be worth a look. Don't know if they're out yet or not though.
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#14
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Laney just released a 15 watt lunch box amp head of the Iron Heart. Could be worth a look. Don't know if they're out yet or not though.


I would really like to hear one in person, and compare to the ENGL Iron ball. Both seems like lunch box amps that aren't 'small' sounding if you know what I mean.
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#15
The Ironhearts are really great on paper, it's just a shame they're MIC. Would definitely be a big contender in my mind if not for that fact. =/

That's cool that there's a lunchbox version though. Does it use baby tubes like most lunchboxes though?
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#16
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The Ironhearts are really great on paper, it's just a shame they're MIC. Would definitely be a big contender in my mind if not for that fact. =/

That's cool that there's a lunchbox version though. Does it use baby tubes like most lunchboxes though?

What's wrong with MIC?
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#17
the ironball sounded really good. on par with the snott watt for sure. I can push to 650. I have 700 or so cash. I said 500 because I am giving room for tax and shipping and such.

I just hooked the pittbull up master volume ats 75% red channel in the ground. not too bad.
not sure why the 5153 doesnt work that way :/.


I liked the lunbox amp idea for simplicty and ease to me.. of my 4 heads only one stays at home at any given time. the rest are at different spots for the bands i jam for. so having a little beasty lunbox would not only let me slam out some quick riffs to email to the guys. but also gives me a toy for here at home.. lugging my huge hundred watters up and down a flight of stairs as well as a cab is just a pain in the ass.
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What's wrong with MIC?



A lot of things I could say, but I think it could be summed up easily as: I've never encountered an MIC product that was built as well as an MIA product. The entire point of MIC is cost cutting - I've never seen being MIC as the only cost cutting. There's always structural or design or materials or QC cost cutting as well.

The IRT might be an exception. I don't know enough about them to say. But as far as trends go...


This is totally anecdotal, but just yesterday one of the knobs came off on my Vypyr.
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#19
I forgot you had so many amps...

I don't know what the Ironball runs but they seem like the front runner. Beats the snot watt on wattage if you do decide to bring it to a jam session. You would still want it mic'd.
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A lot of things I could say, but I think it could be summed up easily as: I've never encountered an MIC product that was built as well as an MIA product. The entire point of MIC is cost cutting - I've never seen being MIC as the only cost cutting. There's always structural or design or materials or QC cost cutting as well.

The IRT might be an exception. I don't know enough about them to say. But as far as trends go...


This is totally anecdotal, but just yesterday one of the knobs came off on my Vypyr.

I don't think that means it has to be bad. I don't disagree on QC or materials, but IMO MIC has come a long way. Certainly proud of my J. Mascis and CV squier.
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#21
carvin v3m won best of namm... 50/25/7 watts, fx loop, 3 channels, 20 knobs! the thing glows! check out some reviews. MIA!
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carvin v3m won best of namm... 50/25/7 watts, fx loop, 3 channels, 20 knobs! the thing glows! check out some reviews. MIA!


Most people on this forum who have bought the V3m found it lacking on channel 3 and returned it. Just an FYI.
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#23
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I don't think that means it has to be bad. I don't disagree on QC or materials, but IMO MIC has come a long way. Certainly proud of my J. Mascis and CV squier.


Guitars and amps are different ballgames though - I don't expect a guitar to fall off of a cab and be perfectly fine. I do expect that of an amp, and MIA Peaveys are well known to be able to withstand such trauma with no issue. I have trouble trusting anything else, especially something MIC (I would NOT trust my Vypyr to survive such an ordeal).
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#24
Orange Dark Terror used? Or, tweak up the bias on your EVH, throw in some high gain AX7s, add a THD Hotplate to attenuate down to manageable volume levels and mic the EVH cab. Cheaper and better sounding option than a new cab and mini head. That would be my rec...you could even skip the new tubes but if you want to eak out a bit more responsiveness from the amp it might help.
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#26
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Most people on this forum who have bought the V3m found it lacking on channel 3 and returned it. Just an FYI.
People seem to not understand the channel order of the V3M and expect it to be like a Dual Rectifier, going low gain, classic high gain and modern high gain. The V3M goes low, modern high and classic high. It goes 'backwards' on the front panel, too.

I don't doubt that there are plenty of people who like the idea and then can simply never get a tone they like out of it no matter what they try, but a lot of people seem to fiddle with an amp for twenty seconds and if it doesn't give them their dream tone instantly, they write it off as being sub-par.

See also: every Marshall which isn't a Plexi, 800 or DSL 2000.


Anyhoo, I'm with the others towards the start of this thread; stick with your big head and just use it at a lower volume. Buy a power attenuator to get more power amp saturation and compression at lower volumes and buy a smaller cab. The less speakers you have the less air you're pushing and the quieter you'll be. There's really no justifiable reason to ever plug into a 4x12" at home and it's hard to even justify it for full band practice. Save it for the stage and get a 1x12", 2x10" or something similar for home and practice.
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#28
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4x12=better tone, thats all the justification I'll ever need.

How so?
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#30
That doesn't mean better tone.
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#32
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Attenuator?

Wrong application for an attenuator.
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#33
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That doesn't mean better tone.


What? Of course it does.
#34
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What? Of course it does.

Your description of better is subjective. Not everyone likes 4x12's. You're only describing what you like, not what works for everyone.
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#35
Laney just released a lunchbox version of their Ironheart heads IRT15h. Should be capable of br00tz. Also has dummyload and USB output for computer use. Check it out, could be exactly what you are looking for.

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#36
Laney Ironheart 15.
Krank rev JR PRO
Mesa Mini rec
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all i could come up with for now for the br00t4lz


Edit:
or you can get a pod HD500- which is great
or if you want amazing, especially for great recording and allot of people use live now
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#37
...IMO MIC has come a long way.
Chinese quality control has indeed come a long way; they have a more experienced work force nowadays. Those big suicide-catcher nets and razor wire fences around the factories have drastically lowered the employee turnover rate.
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#39
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I've never heard of the Bogner ATMA until I saw your post, watched the video and I honestly think that is one of the best sounding amps i've ever heard, sounds so juicy! Wasn't much fussed on the little Engl but I genuinely want that Bogner, amazing.
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#40
I heard the Atma being played at NAMM. It sounded like a real amp, not a pidly little toy amp.

They were playing it through a verticle 2x12.
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