#1
I really like the high end gibson sg's. but they are all 24 frets! it makes the neck pickup sound too muddy. anybody know someone that makes high end sg type guitars but maybe a little bigger than normal with flame top?

looking for something like this...

http://www.premierguitar.com/Magazine/Issue/Daily/News/Hagstrom_Guitars_Introduces_Pat_Smear_Signature_Model.aspx

whatever that fretboard is made of sounds gross.
#2
most sgs are 22 frets

most 22 fret sgs have the neck pickup where it'd be on a 24 fret guitar so the neck joint is strong enough... so the neck pickup is as unmuddy as it's going to get, unless you get one of those badass guitars with like 27 frets or something.

I can't think of anything offhand that's a little bigger than an sg with a flamed top, but i have a horrible feeling i'm forgetting something really obvious

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#3
all the flame top sg's are 24 frets except one that is all flame maple. all set with that. and yes i'm aware of the pickup node.
#4
oh ok i see what you mean

that being said, as i said, the 22 fretters have the neck pickup in the same place as the 24 fretters (or near enough, anyway), so I'm not sure how it makes much difference. plus a neck pickup on a 24 fretter will be brighter, not muddier...
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^you beat me to it. Yamaha SG/SBG guitars are amazing, but they are harder to find, except for eBay.
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I really like the high end gibson sg's. but they are all 24 frets! it makes the neck pickup sound too muddy. anybody know someone that makes high end sg type guitars but maybe a little bigger than normal with flame top?

looking for something like this...

http://www.premierguitar.com/Magazine/Issue/Daily/News/Hagstrom_Guitars_Introduces_Pat_Smear_Signature_Model.aspx

whatever that fretboard is made of sounds gross.

sorry dude, but that bit in bold is complete bollocks - pretty sure the node myth stems from some of the shite Ed Roman used to spout.

The number of frets has NO BEARING whatsoever on whether or not your neck pickup will be "muddy". There's an anti-node at the centre of a vibrating string, that's the point at which the amplitude of vibration is highest, so theoretically putting a pickup bang at the centre of the string would make it louder, although not necessarily clearer. Except as soon as you fret a note you've moved all the nodes, so the minor differences in the position of the neck pickup really do make sod all difference, unless you only ever play open strings.

Then there's the small issue of guitars not being signal generators - a plucked string doesn't generate a pure note, it's not just the fundamental - there's all the other harmonics that going into giving the instruments notes their unique timbre. And again, all those different harmonics have nodes in different places, that also all move when you fret a note as you're reducing the length of string that's free to vibrate, so again it doesn't really matter. Plus pickups have a magnetic window that's covers a significant chunk of string, for any given note you'll have all sorts of nodes and antinodes going on from the fundamental and various harmonics.
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The Yamaha SG is much more like a Les Paul than an SG apart from the fact that it is a double cut.
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The number of frets has NO BEARING whatsoever on whether or not your neck pickup will be "muddy".


I agree that all that guff about nodes is BS, but the more frets you have (assuming the neck pickup is tight up against the neck, which it isn't on an sg ) the closer the neck pickup is to the bridge, which results in a brighter sound. Whether that's the same as "not muddy", is debatable, i suppose... but it will affect the tone.
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#12
If you really want a gibson SG with 24 frets, there's (atleast) two models : The SG 24 and the 50th anniversary SG.
One comes with a full sized humbucker in the neck and the other with a mini-bucker.