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#1
I've recently moved to a new place with new roommates, and because of one of my roommates, my peers have warned me. People call her "Crazy Karissa". She works at the same office I do, but I've never really known her too well, mostly because shes very well known to be "crazy". Since I don't know her at all, I called upon my favorite gossipy friend to fill me in. She has quite the history - dating guys in their 30s (she is still in college, early 20s), she got kicked out of her sorority for attempting to commit suicide, instantly dating new guys immediately after breaking up (and all the "baby I love you!!!!" all over facebook that comes with that). With all this, I agreed. She's crazy!

But I've been thinking about this for a while and my mind has changed. I don't see myself being best friends with her by any means - I can't stand the overly clingy type and she is pretty annoying - but I feel like there is a lot going on with her and she doesn't deserve the stigma. So far it seems shes got some pretty severe anxiety issues and what not... but this is what this thread is about. I've noticed people in this world tend to show a severe stigma towards those with mental health issues. I'm not talking about those with autism, etc. (from my point of view there has been a drastic improvement with that, thankfully). I'm talking about other issues with mental health, like depression, anxiety, suicide, cutting, schizophrenia, etc. It seems that if you show any signs, society instantly labels you as "crazy", and you should be removed and placed in an "insane asylum".

Now is this really fair? These are issues that a surprising number of people deal with. I'm close with a number of people with severe problems like I mentioned above, and I know how hard it is to deal with them. It's not fair to judge these people harshly. What these people need most is help, and alarming number of people just don't receive it. To make the situation worse, shoving labels down their throat and judging them so unfairly is only going to make them worse. Mental health problems are an extremely fragile situation and they need to be handled delicately. The source of these issues must be considered as well - I know most of my friends that have dealt with serious mental issues have an abusive/etc. past, and its entirely understandable that they develop mental issues later in life. But there are those out there that simply label them as "crazy" because they just don't understand or tolerate anyone that isn't "normal". If you don't believe me, look at the history of US shootings. They're becoming common. Obviously there is an issue here that needs to be dealt with (and I know shootings aren't the only evidence of mental health issues being prevalent).

So what should you do next time you see someone you think is crazy? Stop being an idiot and give them the patience and compassion they deserve. They seriously need help, and deserve it just as much. You don't have to like them, but you don't have to kick them when they're down either. A mental health issue is just like any other health issue - sometimes you just don't have a choice, and you need to deal with it.

What are your thoughts on this?

tl;dr Those with mental health issues receive unfair social stigma

inb4 TS is gay because he talks about compassion
#3
She got kicked out of her sorority for trying to kill herself?

What kind of shitbag sorority says "You're clearly depressed, so we're going to throw you out of a group you thought was accepting of you instead of trying to help"?
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#4
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inb4 TS is gay because he talks about compassion

You're not gay for talking about compassion, you're gay because you expect people are going to call you gay for talking about compassion. You gaywad.

OT: I say the same thing all the time. But really, it's nothing new. The main problem is, people don't immediately recognize it as a mental disorder because most of the people suspect/assume everyone around them is normal. All it takes is the flaw of an individual for people to start throwing around names since they aren't living up to their definition of normal. And without getting help, people talking about them behind their back might even pile on on them, you know? Sometimes you have to remind people that they can't help it.

Kind of like trebor.


Edit: Actually, I only read half of the OP. The other half pretty much summed up what I was saying.
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She got kicked out of her sorority for trying to kill herself?

What kind of shitbag sorority says "You're clearly depressed, so we're going to throw you out of a group you thought was accepting of you instead of trying to help"?


Thats what I was told at least. She did it with her roommate in the same room as well. I seriously hope there is more to the story than I'm aware of.
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#9
I think I'm slightly guilty of this.

My friend has been diagnosed with depression and was prescribed SSRIs (or something, I'm not too familiar with the lingo). Now I've not changed my view of him. He's still the same mate I've had for the past 10 years, but he's started going out with a girl who has/had mental health issues in the past. We knew her in school (before it was common knowledge that she had these problems) and she was batshit then and although she's had treatment and seems fairly well balanced now (if still a bit clingy etc.), I still feel that apprehension when she's around, like she could go off any second.

I haven't gone out of my way to avoid her or anything, but in every interaction with her I'm worrying about the possibility of her kicking off. I've seen it happen in the past and although it's not particularly violent or explosive, it's still something that I don't want to have to deal with.

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I think I'm slightly guilty of this.

My friend has been diagnosed with depression and was prescribed SSRIs (or something, I'm not too familiar with the lingo). Now I've not changed my view of him. He's still the same mate I've had for the past 10 years, but he's started going out with a girl who has/had mental health issues in the past. We knew her in school (before it was common knowledge that she had these problems) and she was batshit then and although she's had treatment and seems fairly well balanced now (if still a bit clingy etc.), I still feel that apprehension when she's around, like she could go off any second.

I haven't gone out of my way to avoid her or anything, but in every interaction with her I'm worrying about the possibility of her kicking off. I've seen it happen in the past and although it's not particularly violent or explosive, it's still something that I don't want to have to deal with.



It's never easy to deal with though. It's almost as stressful dealing with someone else as it is actually experiencing the issue yourself. I don't blame you, I just wish the world was a bit more understanding in these matters
#11
People are douchebags about it because they perceive mental health problems to be the same personality flaws everyone else has. Also, it takes too much effort to be understanding, and mental illness is totally uncool and stuff.

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I agree with you RPGoof entirely.
It's a lack of understanding that people will start labelling others to fit them into a catorgory that they can understand and what they have observed in their life.
And it's the same for any other subject not just mental health, e.g. music style choice, political issues, fashion, tattoos, piercings etc...there is social stigma for all of these because people are different and just don't understand.
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She got kicked out of her sorority for trying to kill herself?

What kind of shitbag sorority says "You're clearly depressed, so we're going to throw you out of a group you thought was accepting of you instead of trying to help"?

A group of un****able ugos, they jelly of the fact she can attaract a male.
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#15
Yeah it sucks. People tend to lack empathy for those sorts of people because they don't see it nearly as significant physical like losing a leg or something. They see teenagers everywhere who claim to be depressed for attention, so they attribute someone who is actually depressed with the same crowd.
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#16
People are critical of those who deviate from the norm and struggle to empathize with people who have problems they cannot relate to. No surprises there.
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She got kicked out of her sorority for trying to kill herself?

What kind of shitbag sorority says "You're clearly depressed, so we're going to throw you out of a group you thought was accepting of you instead of trying to help"?

The kind of gay-ass sorority that only cares about presenting a pristine image. There's loads of them.


OT:
It's really quite sad that, despite what we know about mental illness, there's sections of society who simply act like it's ok to mock/gossip about the mentally ill.
#18
I found out that empathy comes when you give it.

It doesn't matter what I feel, why should it?
Especially if it matters to me how you feel then, it doesn't matter how I feel.
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The kind of gay-ass sorority that only cares about presenting a pristine image. There's loads of them.


I'd think you could turn this into a positive PR thing. Help her out, then take it to the school newspaper. "Sorority sisters band together to help new member win battle with depression" is a pretty damn good piece of publicity. You can have one of the members ramble about how it's a second family and they rally behind a member of their family in any difficulty they face, any way they can. It's not something that'd soil a pristine image, it's something that'd take a pristine image and turn it even shinier.

It doesn't make sense morally or from an image sense. It's just stupid, callous, and illogical.
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I haven't gone out of my way to avoid her or anything, but in every interaction with her I'm worrying about the possibility of her kicking off. I've seen it happen in the past and although it's not particularly violent or explosive, it's still something that I don't want to have to deal with.


comes with the territory. it is hard to be around people who are mentally unstable to an extent. it's an annoyance when everyone is having a good time, then that guy is crying/going crazy/whatever again. yes, you feel bad, but it kills the vibe immediately and repeatedly.

as for the whole mental health stigma, i think it is mainly caused by a misunderstanding. most people don't realize having anxiety problems is more than just stress. or that depression is just feeling sad. or just how fucking scary hearing voices would be.

what they need to do is take what they think it is in extremes. then imagine feeling that way frequently, every day. in terms of anxiety and depression, some people think it's just something you get over, and while it can be, before you do that you have to change all of your thought reactions to your feelings. and your perceptions on guilt, shame, stress, life, etc. it's much harder than it sounds. i can't really speak for other disorders, but i'm sure they have a horrible coping process too.
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#23
I would probably go out of my way to try and help someone if they had that sort of mental disorder, and I hate the stigmas attached to them.

Have you tried approaching her yet, TS? You probably said so in the OP but I must have forgotten about it.
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#24
Some people never shut up about their disorder...

These people bug me.


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You do now...

Does it matter? -- Only if you let it.

Some people never shut up about being crazy and some people never shut up about God; yet the crazy people distance themselves from the God people.

Don't they realise that they are just as annoying?
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#25
The girl in the OP just sounds neurotic, not crazy. I have no patience nor a care to deal with people who's emotions can jump so rapidly. If I'm cold or a bad person or whatever, then whatever. Im never going to go out of my way to hurt someone emotionally or physically or anything, but I don't have to be nice or be friends with someone, regardless of their situation. I just won't talk to them if I don't like them. If they are depressed then that sucks, but I won't treat them any different then I would treat anyone else.

I also don't understand anxiety disorders. I mean, if you went through an incredibly stressful situation (like being raped or coming back from a combat zone or seeing what those people saw at sandy hook) then I would understand, that shit is ****ed up. But I know a girl who would have panic attacks just because there was a test coming up, or a teacher was being "mean" to her. I have no sympathy for that type of person.
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But I know a girl who would have panic attacks just because there was a test coming up, or a teacher was being "mean" to her. I have no sympathy for that type of person.

What's your stance on people with brittle bones?
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#27
I experienced secondary stigmatisation as a child as my father was schizophrenic. It disturbed my socialisation.

It's kinda ****ed up how everyone thought he was some sort of ted bundy serial killer when he's not aggressive in the slightest, and it's even more ****ed up that I was alienated just for being related to him.

The public is woefully uneducated when it comes to mental illness and I sometimes chew people out for confusing psychosis with psychopathy. It just seems ignorant, isolating and wrong.
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Drink some milk.
No but srsly, It sucks, but I will treat them the way I treat anyone else. I don't see a reason to not treat people equally.
And I have no sympathy for a white upper class girl who has never seen struggle in her life to have anxiety attacks over a test that wasn't even that big in our curriculum.
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I experienced secondary stigmatisation as a child as my father was schizophrenic. It disturbed my socialisation.

It's kinda ****ed up how everyone thought he was some sort of ted bundy serial killer when he's not aggressive in the slightest, and it's even more ****ed up that I was alienated just for being related to him.

The public is woefully uneducated when it comes to mental illness and I sometimes chew people out for confusing psychosis with psychopathy. It just seems ignorant, isolating and wrong.

Id rather meet a psychosis than a psychopath. Ive met psychopaths and they suck.
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Drink some milk.
No but srsly, It sucks, but I will treat them the way I treat anyone else. I don't see a reason to not treat people equally.
And I have no sympathy for a white upper class girl who has never seen struggle in her life to have anxiety attacks over a test that wasn't even that big in our curriculum.


Have you considered there may be more to the situation than the information you have access to?

What if this hypothetical girl's father is abusive and narcissistic, needing her daughter to achieve good grades to improve his self esteem or social status?
What if he punishes her with abusive or callous behaviour if she doesn't meet expectations?
What if he has abused her before for failing to live up to his expectations?

You can't know everything that goes into shaping a person, so you can't assign legitimacy to their complaints.
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#32
I've had episodes of psychosis, I just feel really tired, and out of touch.

They're temporary, I have them maybe for a week every 3 months this past year, I think they're stress induced and brought on by my severe anxiety. I tried SSRI's, they didn't really help anxiety.

I've been given xanex, adderall (I have ADHD, so it calms and focuses me,) and chlomazopam to treat it, and it's very effective, so unless I was having a bad day you wouldn't think anything different of me. I stayed under observation while trying out new medications, so I was in a mental hospital, pretty normal people, we played monopoly and watched TV to pass the time. The floor I was on was for 'safe' and 'non-violent' patients though. I learned a lot during group about different illnesses people have to deal with.

I've always had anxiety, but it didn't get severe until my spleen ruptured out of nowhere, and by the time I hit the operating table I'd lost 3 liters of blood (over 50%.) Then there was 9 days of being hooked to machines, so I'm a little claustrophobic now. I didn't notice it much after getting out, but after a year symptoms started showing.

I'd also like to point out a real panic attack is horrifying, and until you have one you have no idea.
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#33
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Have you considered there may be more to the situation than the information you have access to?

What if this hypothetical girl's father is abusive and narcissistic, needing her daughter to achieve good grades to improve his self esteem or social status?
What if he punishes her with abusive or callous behaviour if she doesn't meet expectations?
What if he has abused her before for failing to live up to his expectations?

You can't know everything that goes into shaping a person, so you can't assign legitimacy to their complaints.

She is actually one of my best friends. I know everything about her home life, we have been incredibly close for ten or so years. She is just an extreme perfectionist to the point were it is a problem. Her parents have actually TOLD her sometimes to relax, and she can't. She is just crazy in that sense. I had a talk with her about it and she understood, but she is still crazy! I love her anyway though so
I am the son of a (once) abusive alcoholic father (he has cleaned himself up now) and I have turned out fine in that sense. Anyone else who makes excuses deserves none of my sympathy.
#34
well neurociticism is partly inherited, and one of five traits that are integral to someone's personality. Since her personality is pretty much determined, she can't control when she feels anxiety. Maybe she needs to succeed to feel valuable or lovable.

And what do you mean by "making excuses"? Like cancer patients make excuses about losing weight? The bastards.
#35
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You're so stupid it pains me.

Saying I'm stupid implies I'm in the wrong with what I say yet what you quoted me saying is infallible.
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Saying I'm stupid implies I'm in the wrong with what I say yet what you quoted me saying is infallible.

You think the mentally ill allow their illnesses to effect them by choice? Hence it only mattering if they let it.

This is nonsense in the extreme.
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You think the mentally ill allow their illnesses to effect them by choice? Hence it only mattering if they let it.

This is nonsense in the extreme.

You think then, that I have control over what ticks me off?

I don't.

I call shit as I see it... Deal with it if you think they can't control it, neither can I.
And why should I?
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You think then, that I have control over what ticks me off?

I don't.

I call shit as I see it... Deal with it if you think they can't control it, neither can I.
And why should I?
I honestly can't even grasp what it is you're trying to say. From what I can tell you're trying to say that you're mentally ill, which I wouldn't argue with.
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I honestly can't even grasp what it is you're trying to say. From what I can tell you're trying to say that you're mentally ill, which I wouldn't argue with.

Gosh you're dumb.

I'm trying to explain to you it doesn't matter what you say, you're wrong.

It's like...

If they can be annoying, I can be rude. - To put it another way.

I can be honest as **** and hide behind my disorder because, that's what ****ers seem to do. ****ers are weak.


It's this Freedom to say whatever the Hell I like, only good thing about being crazy.
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I'm trying to explain to you it doesn't matter what you say, you're wrong.
Turns out I'm actually not. I can tell also that you've never lived with someone with a mental illness.

It's like...

If they can be annoying, I can be rude. - To put it another way.
I don't doubt your ability to be rude at all. Who said you coudn't be, anyway?

I can be honest as **** and hide behind my disorder because, that's what ****ers seem to do. ****ers are weak.

No, fuckers are strong as hell. And it's not a matter of hiding so much as accurately identifying the problem. You wouldn't say that a man who says he can't walk is hiding behind the fact he has one leg.
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