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Nietsche
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We've had MT challenges in the past but one hasn't popped up for a while so I thought I'd take a stab at initiating one.

Your task, should you choose to accept it, is to compose a piece in Ternary form (ABA) lasting three to five minutes. Everything else is up for grabs - tempo, time signature, instrumentation. The only real concern you should have is providing an effective contrast to the A section with the B section.

Extended deadline of May 15th. Well done to Chuckles and Mathedes for being more productive than the rest of us.


Submissions should ideally consist of the written work, preferably with staff notation, as well as an audio file.

Formal Suggestion: The Minuet and Trio

If you're stuck for ideas on exactly what to write, this section outlines one formal possibility, the Minuet and Trio. It demonstrates one way in which ternary form commonly appears in the classical world in order to provide a more detailed suggestion of how to approach the writing of your piece. Writing in this style is not mandatory, and it is possible to take ideas from here without going the whole hog (For example, you don't have to use modulations, or necessarily write in a tonal style).

Minuet and Trio is the typical form found in the third movement of classical symphonies as well as quartets and sonatas. It consists, as the name suggests, of two sections, a Minuet and a Trio, which are played in the order: Minuet - Trio - Minuet. Both sections are written in triple metre, and typically 3/4 time. The Minuet is typically written in a rounded binary form layed out as follows: ||: A :||: B, A1 :||. Where 'A' is the opening idea, 'B' is a contrasting idea, typically counter posing a different but related harmonic region (Usually the dominant), and A is a variation of the original passage which cadences in the home key.

As an example, you can take a look at the Minuet from Bach's French Suite no. 6 in E major. You can hear a recording here and take a look at the sheet music here. This is a pretty bog standard example of the form, there's an opening eight bar A section which modulates to the dominant of B major in the last four bars. Then you have an eight bar B section which moves through a couple of other harmonic regions before we have a varied repeat of the A section which cadences in the tonic key.

The Trio is written in a similar form as the Minuet. The important thing to remember with this section is that it should provide a contrast with the Minuet. For example, you could write the Trio section in the parallel minor/major. Or if the emphasis of the Minuet is rhythmic, you could write a more melodic/lyrical Trio section and vice versa. Or you could contrast a more contrapuntal section with a more homophonic section.

Remember that traditionally, after the Trio, the Minuet is repeated again. This ups the imperative for the composer to write a good, strong contrast in the Trio so as not to bore the listener. If your Trio is too similar in character to the Minuet, the repeat of the Minuet won't be as effective.

After Beethoven, composers tended more towards writing Scherzos as the third movements of sonatas, symphonies etc. This is basically the same form as the Minuet and Trio but at a livelier tempo. Here is an example of a Scherzo from Beethoven's second piano sonata. Sheet music can be found on the third page here.
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Xiaoxi
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#3
im in

...modes and scales are still useless.


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20Tigers
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Dude, was just saying a few days ago that it's been a while since we've done this.

Still have to do a fugue which Easter was busier than I expected - and I'm one of those creative types whose mind wanders and work doesn't get done on time. (hence why Easter was so busy - catching up on paid work that had to be done before I started back on Tuesday. oops.

Oh - I'm in.
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xxdarrenxx
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#8
Ill be in.

Not to nitpick, but music consisting of midi signals is the most listened to in the world atm.

Not to mention that the most recognised instrumental music/ost came only in midi format.

I say if you can overcome the challenge...

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#9
I hope people steer clear of GuitarPro/TuxGuitar. That stuff drives me nuts. I would honestly rather hear people play their own stuff poorly than listen to something written in GuitarPro.
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Quote by 20Tigers
I hope people steer clear of GuitarPro/TuxGuitar. That stuff drives me nuts. I would honestly rather hear people play their own stuff poorly than listen to something written in GuitarPro.


Agreed. That being said, i plan on recording through a 88 semi weighted key midi controller tru (midi) vst. I guess that should be acceptable.

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Mathedes
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#12
I'm in.

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I hope people steer clear of GuitarPro/TuxGuitar. That stuff drives me nuts. I would honestly rather hear people play their own stuff poorly than listen to something written in GuitarPro.

Okay, why not. I'll do it with a bass guitar and electric guitar.
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Nietsche
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#13
If you want to use MIDI in realising your piece and you have some appropriate sounds for whatever it is you're doing it's fine. I just don't particularly want to hear someone's attempt at writing for a symphony orchestra realised with some really cheesy default MIDI soundbank. Write within your means.

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You'll have written a piece of a certain length. Given the requirement of making it a ternary form, you should also ideally get some work in on writing effective contrasting sections.
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Nietsche
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I have no idea how to do this. But I can always try. Do you want classical?


There's no style requirement. You can use whatever compositional language you want.
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Sn@il!
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#20
Alright I'm in.
I'm not really sure if I'm able to record at high quality but i'll do my best!
And also, does anybody know ho to write out your ideas on the computer without GuitarPro?
Or should I just handwrite it and scan it?
Mathedes
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#22
Sweet.^

Quote by Sn@il!
Or should I just handwrite it and scan it?

That works, also jazz_rock's link.
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sweetdude3000
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#23
My music friends many years ago recommended Sibelius for music notating.. I am not sure if that is still one of the better programs out there these days but you can get a free trial for that. If someone has a better recommendation, chime in
griffRG7321
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#25
I have two compositions to write and the first movement of Bergs piano sonata to orchestrate in a month, so put me down as a 'maybe'.
TDKshorty
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#27
I'm in. If I end up not completing anything it's because I'm really busy haha! But at least I'm musically busy

My collegiate compositions aren't taking the back seat for you guys
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Mathedes
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#28
Quote by TDKshorty
My collegiate compositions aren't taking the back seat for you guys

Just tell them you're doing a minuet and trio instead. Ever seen "Two Birds, One Stone?"
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TDKshorty
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#29
So are you expecting a sort of traditional piece or just anything? I mean I could write a funk song in ternary form or I could do a minuet and trio, you know what I'm saying. haha
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Nietsche
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#30
You could write a funkalicious Minuet and Trio.

But in case it wasn't clear from the OP there are no stylistic constraints for this.
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TDKshorty
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#31
Quote by Nietsche
You could write a funkalicious Minuet and Trio.

But in case it wasn't clear from the OP there are no stylistic constraints for this.


That's what I figured. Gracias amigo
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Xiaoxi
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#33
I like how you've listed everybody in alphabetical order. That's some good OCD right there.

...modes and scales are still useless.


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Nietsche
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I like how you've listed everybody in alphabetical order. That's some good OCD right there.


*clinically significant levels of autistic traits with the possibility of as of yet undiagnosed high functioning autism or aspergers.
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mrkeka
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#37
I'm probably gonna regret this, but I'm up for it!
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#38
Sure, why the hell not. I'm in!
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#39
I totally forgot about this. Count me out
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