North Carolina introduces bill to declare an offcial state religion.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/03/north-carolina-religion-bill_n_3003401.html#slide=467180

SECTION 1. The North Carolina General Assembly asserts that the Constitution of the United States of America does not prohibit states or their subsidiaries from making laws respecting an establishment of religion.

SECTION 2. The North Carolina General Assembly does not recognize federal court rulings which prohibit and otherwise regulate the State of North Carolina, its public schools, or any political subdivisions of the State from making laws respecting an establishment of religion.


So yeah according to the article the bills backers say that the constitution only really applies to the federal government and that the state and local governments are allowed to pass whatever laws they want because that you know... makes sense.
#2
But North Carolina's so chill. :/
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#3
This is the same state that recently killed a medical marijuana bill because too many people in favor of it were calling their representatives asking for their support and they claimed this as "harassment" . Good thing I don't plan on staying here for much longer.


Although I'm not reading the whole thing. All states should decide their own laws. Federal government should only have a say in foreign policy, heathcare, and military.
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#6
Well that's definitely not unconstitutional.

If this passes then America will have lost the only political thing of real value it had to offer the rest of the world.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


Hmm...
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#7
do people just get to the 5th Amendment and get bored?
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#8
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Well that's definitely not unconstitutional.

Exactly. I mean, the detractors could get this struck down as unconstitutional; they're making it easy for them.
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do people just get to the 5th Amendment and get bored?


I plead the fourth!
#10
I think actually that this bill should pass, and a new reign of Hinduism should overtake North Carolina. Would be amusing to see how the Christian Right would react: after all, all they wanted was a state religion.
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this is all i hear every time somebody tries to make a big deal about religion
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#12
Quote by Todd Hart
Well that's definitely not unconstitutional.

If this passes then America will have lost the only political thing of real value it had to offer the rest of the world.


Hmm...


How come when one state does something stupid all of America gets blamed? Clearly Americans who live in New York are much different than Americans who live in North Carolina.
#13
Am I being dumb or is it not actually unconstitutional? I mean, it says CONGRESS shall make no law etc etc....but if a state does it then isn't it different?

You Americans and your silly divisions.
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How come when one state does something stupid all of America gets blamed? Clearly Americans who live in New York are much different than Americans who live in North Carolina.

Because if one state contravenes the constitution the whole thing's pointless
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How come when one state does something stupid all of America gets blamed? Clearly Americans who live in New York are much different than Americans who live in North Carolina.

North Carolinians are more polite.
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How come when one state does something stupid all of America gets blamed? Clearly Americans who live in New York are much different than Americans who live in North Carolina.


Because if the rest of America (or more precisely, America's political forces) doesn't step in to stop this crap then the enterprise of having a 'United States' rather falls flat on its face.
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Because if one state contravenes the constitution the whole thing's pointless

I think what he meant is that there are always stories about a state doing something stupid and everyone acts like it's all Americans who want the change.
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I think what he meant is that there are always stories about a state doing something stupid and everyone acts like it's all Americans who want the change.

Yeah, so?

I'm sure you don't discriminate between what people in Yorkshire and Rutland think.
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Although I'm not reading the whole thing. All states should decide their own laws. Federal government should only have a say in foreign policy, heathcare, and military.


Then that basically makes are government the equivalent of Russia.
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Yeah, so?

I'm sure you don't discriminate between what people in Yorkshire and Rutland think.

But our states are real places.
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Because if the rest of America (or more precisely, America's political forces) doesn't step in to stop this crap then the enterprise of having a 'United States' rather falls flat on its face.


No it doesn't.
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Yeah, so?

I'm sure you don't discriminate between what people in Yorkshire and Rutland think.

I'm not saying you're wrong. I agree that if by some miracle it passes it would make the constitution pretty pointless.

I'm just saying it's annoying when a state like Texas does something dumb and people act like everyone in the country thinks like that.


I don't know anything about the different places in England. I'm sure they're different though just going by how most of you guys on here talk about them.

I would have to think that the differences in the US would be a bit more varied since England is smaller than 26 states
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#24
Quote by Todd Hart
Well that's definitely not unconstitutional.

If this passes then America will have lost the only political thing of real value it had to offer the rest of the world.


Hmm...


I think technically that only applies to the US Government though, not individual states. Which is their argument. Although if North Carolina ratified the Constitution, could you argue they've implicitly agreed to uphold the first amendment? Now that I think about it more, the Supreme Court has struck down individual state laws violating the Bill of Rights before, so I don't see why this would be any different. State vs Federal. Has, is and always will be one of the main issues in the US.

It won't be passed in the first place anyway. But I suppose the Supreme Court could and would strike it down.
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No it doesn't.


Yes it does. If you're going to have a constitution that must be obeyed by all parts of the union then one part not obeying it invalidates the point of a constitution entirely. You can have a universal law/system of law that isn't universal.
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Yes it does. If you're going to have a constitution that must be obeyed by all parts of the union then one part not obeying it invalidates the point of a constitution entirely. You can have a universal law/system of law that isn't universal.


Yeah, but their (dumb) argument is that the Constitution only forbids a national religion, thereby deeming a state religion okie dokie.
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Yeah, but their (dumb) argument is that the Constitution only forbids a national religion, thereby deeming a state religion okie dokie.


But their dumb argument is dumb.
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#29
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But our states are real places.


And they're also states, not cities. You can't really make this analogous to something happening in two towns in England because it's not.
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And they're also states, not cities. You can't really make this analogous to something happening in two towns in England because it's not.

You could try and make it analogous to two countries in the UK.
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#32
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And they're also states, not cities. You can't really make this analogous to something happening in two towns in England because it's not.


The lines between states are as arbitrary opinion-wise as the lines between counties.
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#33
North Carolina: Too small to be a country, too big to be an insane asylum.

I'm aware that was originally meant for South Carolina, but I think NC just surpassed them in terms of crazy
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#34
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And they're also states, not cities. You can't really make this analogous to something happening in two towns in England because it's not.

Neither Yorkshire or Rutland is a city
#35
its stupid, but nothing in the constitution i see explicitly states that a state government cant pass a law like this. Although, going by that logic I suppose state government could also ban free speech and assembly? I wonder if NC thinks that would be constitutional.
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its stupid, but nothing in the constitution i see explicitly states that a state government cant pass a law like this. Although, going by that logic I suppose state government could also ban free speech and assembly? I wonder if NC thinks that would be constitutional.

14th Amendment.

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Establishing an official religion would result in unequal treatment of people who did not follow that religion.
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14th Amendment.

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Establishing an official religion would result in unequal treatment of people who did not follow that religion.


The reaction most people will have to this post: 'There's a fourteenth amendment?'
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14th Amendment.

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Establishing an official religion would result in unequal treatment of people who did not follow that religion.

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#39
I've lived in Alabama and Texas. I know my backwards republicans pretty well. For years I've been trying to tell people that NC is by far the most right-wing place I've ever experienced. They've got such a cool reputation, but the truth is so, so right winged.
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#40
lel at people who think Yorkshire is a city


I have no reaction to this in general though. We all knew murica was a silly place already.


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I would have to think that the differences in the US would be a bit more varied since England is smaller than 26 states

Ye but England is bare more densely populated than the US. Your country is about 75x bigger than ours but only has about 5x the population.
But if someone in London said something stupid and everyone in the rest of the world was like "lol England is stupid", the rest of us would totally distance ourselves from them too.
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