#1
Was just looking at a few guitars on eBay, and noticed on a guitar of one with a Tune O Matic (les paul style) bridge, the strings were threaded through the tail piece from the "wrong" side and wrapped around. Now I know you get some wrap around tail pieces like on a PRS single cut Tremonti for example, but I've never seen that on a two piece bridge assembly.

Has anyone seen this before? Would it have any advantage like sustain perhaps, or just someone's old habit?

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#2
Some claim that it enhances sustain because it allows for you to screw the tailpiece right to the deck of the guitar, but i've heard no difference myself.
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Some claim that it enhances sustain because it allows for you to screw the tailpiece right to the deck of the guitar, but i've heard no difference myself.


Can you not screw the tailpiece right down anyway?
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#4
It's more of a string tension thing. When I top wrap, I find my strings to feel a bit slinkier. That doesn't increase sustain or anything like that.
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It's more of a string tension thing. When I top wrap, I find my strings to feel a bit slinkier. That doesn't increase sustain or anything like that.


Ah that's cool, I might give that a try sometime. Interesting, as it's technically not increasing scale length but experimenting with
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Can you not screw the tailpiece right down anyway?

you could but then the strings would make contact with the bridge behind the saddles. and that would be bad.

here is a normal set up. see how the tailpiece is way up off the body? people think that's bad, all robbin' your lester of toanz.

but see how the string only touches the bridge at the saddles and not behind the saddles? that's good.



compare to this.



now the tailpiece is flush with the body and the strings still don't touch anywhere behind the saddles as well.


the point is to drop the tailpiece, but keep string clearance behind the saddles.


now whether there is an increased slinkyness or improved sustain, that's been debated to death and i'm staying out of it.

but that's what they are trying to achieve.
#8
I did it because it does honestly make the strings feel like a gauge lower.

II thought the other day about scale lengths and people saying the strings feel looser or tighter. But surely that's a load of crap because the strings need to be pulled to the same tension for them to hit 440 not matter how long they are?
#9
tried it once and didnt notice any difference on sustain or tone. what i didnt like was that now my hand was sort of resting on the strings between the bridge and tailpiece, and it was kind of distracting really.


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Can you not screw the tailpiece right down anyway?

You can't without the strings touching the edge of your bridge and cutting your strings.
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II thought the other day about scale lengths and people saying the strings feel looser or tighter. But surely that's a load of crap because the strings need to be pulled to the same tension for them to hit 440 not matter how long they are?

The longer the string is, the more tension they need to reach the same pitch.
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I would wager that there might be a difference in sustain but it depends entirely on the quality/material of the tailpiece. A more vibrant metal would likely yield a slightly higher sustain, with the opposite also being true.
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#12
This thread makes me love my LTD EC100qm, tailbar sat as low as it will go, no top wrap and my strings still sit in the saddles perfectly. I have quite a low action though, so the lower bridge will affect this.
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I would wager that there might be a difference in sustain but it depends entirely on the quality/material of the tailpiece. A more vibrant metal would likely yield a slightly higher sustain, with the opposite also being true.



vibrant meaning it's what exactly? not sure i follow what you mean by vibrant.
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vibrant meaning it's what exactly? not sure i follow what you mean by vibrant.


more conductive of vibrations, ergo sound. If you have a thick, dense, heavy tailpiece that vibrates a lot, i would bet that the sustain would be greater (however immeasurably or otherwise). If your tailpiece was really crappy, light, and not dense, it would kill vibrations off faster, thus limiting the sustain


like i said, it would have an effect, im just not sure how big or small that effect would be. By having more of the string in contact with the tailpiece in a wraparound style, it would certainly be a factor in sustain though.
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more conductive of vibrations, ergo sound. If you have a thick, dense, heavy tailpiece that vibrates a lot, i would bet that the sustain would be greater (however immeasurably or otherwise). If your tailpiece was really crappy, light, and not dense, it would kill vibrations off faster, thus limiting the sustain.



Ive only heard the opposite in terms of LPs. Everybody wants the aluminum tailpieces and shit.
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Yeah, it depends on the metal, im not exactly sure which ones would be best in terms of maintaining the vibration and resonance. But the science behind it is still true.
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I thought that this thread was about Tom.
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I thought that this thread was about Tom.

Tom wrap-around?

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