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#2
Only if you rape them too.
Although that's pretty much a given.
But boys will be boys and girls have those eyes
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#3
Yes. Intellectual abuse--the worst kind
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#6
Of course not.
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#7
In Religion class? No. It's part of a religious belief, so go ahead and preach it if you want to.

In Science class? Yes. It is not science, is not regarded by the international scientific community as science, and any person with two brain cells knows it's not science.

I agree with Krauss, might as well just start teaching kids that the moon is made of cheese and the US is 17 feet wide.
#8
Depends if it is being taught as if it's the truth, rather than a popular myth.
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#9
It's not child abuse, it's just not science and shouldn't be taught outside of a religion class.
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#10
No.
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Teaching creationism is stupid, but assuming the kid goes to any kind of school, he or she has to figure out evolution sometime around 3rd or 4th grade. There's no way there's a valid school out there that doesn't teach evolution in its science class.
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#16
Teaching children religion at all should be considered child-abuse, imho.
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#17
Would it be child abuse to teach children that Greek mythology is true? If the answer to that is yes, then the answer to creationism is the same. I think so.
#19
Um, no. Unless teaching them Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy are real is also child abuse.
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Teaching creationism is stupid, but assuming the kid goes to any kind of school, he or she has to figure out evolution sometime around 3rd or 4th grade.


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#21
How is lying to kids child abuse?
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How is lying to kids child abuse?


i think "child abuse" is being used loosely here. i'm of the notion that teaching religion to really really young kids is "child abuse," too.
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#23
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Yes. It is not science, is not regarded by the international scientific community as science, and any person with two brain cells knows it's not science.

Would call it a philosophical idea then?

Btw, it's interesting to note that, in philosophy, the idea of a "god" or a being who created stuff is a more valid idea than some random force. So, essentially, the idea of evolution being started by and guided by a "god" is more valid than evolution being started by and guided by a random force.


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Teaching children religion at all should be considered child-abuse, imho.

What exactly is your logic for that? I'm just curious.
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#24
I don't consider it child abuse, but I don't like the fact that parents are denying them an understanding of how we understand how the universe works.
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The thought is insulting to any children who have actually gone through abuse.


This.

I don't think it's right if teaching creationism is forced on a child, but it is certainly insensitive to say that it is abuse.

It may sound a little naive (not sure if that's the right term), but i think Religious Education should be taught in the style of "ok, so we have these religions, they say this. You can believe them if you want, or you can leave it as a nice story." But i know it would be kind of difficult to actually put that into practice, when you take into account what the teacher believes, the beliefs the pupils are brought up on, etc.
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#26
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This.

I don't think it's right if teaching creationism is forced on a child, but it is certainly insensitive to say that it is abuse.

It may sound a little naive (not sure if that's the right term), but i think Religious Education should be taught in the style of "ok, so we have these religions, they say this. You can believe them if you want, or you can leave it as a nice story." But i know it would be kind of difficult to actually put that into practice, when you take into account what the teacher believes, the beliefs the pupils are brought up on, etc.

That's already done. It's not that hard to do.
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This.

I don't think it's right if teaching creationism is forced on a child, but it is certainly insensitive to say that it is abuse.

It may sound a little naive (not sure if that's the right term), but i think Religious Education should be taught in the style of "ok, so we have these religions, they say this. You can believe them if you want, or you can leave it as a nice story." But i know it would be kind of difficult to actually put that into practice, when you take into account what the teacher believes, the beliefs the pupils are brought up on, etc.

That was literally exactly how I was taught RE. Although we only ever really covered Christianity in any meaningful depth which I thought was silly.

My brother covered Sikhism in primary school though which I thought was awesome. Having a conversation about Guru Nanak with a 9 year old is always good.
#28
It isn't abuse, it's just feeding them with stupidity.
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Teaching children religion at all should be considered child-abuse, imho.

Don't you think it's a value to teach children a little history on what people used to believe at least?
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#29
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This.

I don't think it's right if teaching creationism is forced on a child, but it is certainly insensitive to say that it is abuse.

It may sound a little naive (not sure if that's the right term), but i think Religious Education should be taught in the style of "ok, so we have these religions, they say this. You can believe them if you want, or you can leave it as a nice story." But i know it would be kind of difficult to actually put that into practice, when you take into account what the teacher believes, the beliefs the pupils are brought up on, etc.


How would that be difficult to put into practice? That's exactly what we do in the UK.

And I think the way Dawkin's phrases it is best: it's not child abuse, but it is an abuse of childhood.
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Teaching children religion at all should be considered child-abuse, imho.

This is absolute nonsense.
#31
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Btw, it's interesting to note that, in philosophy, the idea of a "god" or a being who created stuff is a more valid idea than some random force. So, essentially, the idea of evolution being started by and guided by a "god" is more valid than evolution being started by and guided by a random force.


Actually, it isn't. It's exactly the same. A random God that exists because he does is a random force.

And yes, I think if you teach your children that religion and faith should be more important than science and logical thinking, that is tantamount to child abuse.
#32
if teachings kids wrong things is child abuse then everything is child abuse

if you look at a kid funny its child abuse

if he steps in gum and you didnt say anything its child abuse
#33
Fuck freedom of religion. It's child abuse.
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#34
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That was literally exactly how I was taught RE. Although we only ever really covered Christianity in any meaningful depth which I thought was silly.

My brother covered Sikhism in primary school though which I thought was awesome. Having a conversation about Guru Nanak with a 9 year old is always good.


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How would that be difficult to put into practice? That's exactly what we do in the UK.

And I think the way Dawkin's phrases it is best: it's not child abuse, but it is an abuse of childhood.


Oh ok, fair enough, i didn't know that. It's been a while since i took compulsory RE (i live in the UK too, by the way), and i forgot what it was like, plus in my original post i was thinking more of how it could go wrong in the worst case scenario, rather than how it actually is. Not sure if it's any different in the US though.
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#35
What if there is a true or many true religions? Then by consequence of not being informed, a child could later spend eternity in hell. I would personally say that the possible "abusive" side-effect of religion would be nothing in comparison to the abuse redeemed from an eternity in physical and mental torment.

Brain-washing could be considered abusive, but from my previous example, so could a revocation of religion.
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What if there is a true or many true religions? Then by consequence of not being informed, a child could later spend eternity in hell. I would personally say that the possible "abusive" side-effect of religion would be nothing in comparison to the abuse redeemed from an eternity in physical and mental torment.

Brain-washing could be considered abusive, but from my previous example, so could a revocation of religion.

1. That's not the school's job.

2. You're betting on infinity.

There are also are other things wrong with that post, but I hope you're trolling.
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What if there is a true or many true religions? Then by consequence of not being informed, a child could later spend eternity in hell. I would personally say that the possible "abusive" side-effect of religion would be nothing in comparison to the abuse redeemed from an eternity in physical and mental torment.

Brain-washing could be considered abusive, but from my previous example, so could a revocation of religion.

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What if there is a true or many true religions? Then by consequence of not being informed, a child could later spend eternity in hell. I would personally say that the possible "abusive" side-effect of religion would be nothing in comparison to the abuse redeemed from an eternity in physical and mental torment.

Brain-washing could be considered abusive, but from my previous example, so could a revocation of religion.

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What if there is a true or many true religions? Then by consequence of not being informed, a child could later spend eternity in hell. I would personally say that the possible "abusive" side-effect of religion would be nothing in comparison to the abuse redeemed from an eternity in physical and mental torment.

Brain-washing could be considered abusive, but from my previous example, so could a revocation of religion.

Yeah but the problem with this way of thinking is that it's really stupid.
But boys will be boys and girls have those eyes
that'll cut you to ribbons, sometimes
and all you can do is just wait by the moon
and bleed if it's what she says you ought to do
#40
I was taught all the major beliefs of all the major religions in my world history class as a sort of "This is what some people believe, this is what some others believe" thing. Same thing in biology when going over evolution. Only we covered like 18 religions that nobody had ever heard of.

Already done here, and I'm in the bible belt. The most close-minded and christian part of the country.
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