#1
Can anyone give me some info about National guitars since i'm not familiar with them.

Recently found a SG national guitar with a price tag of $300 which seems a tad bit high, so I'm gonna haggle. Looks to be a solid knock off of gibson and is basically identical to the gibson minus the different tailpiece.
#2
There is a vintage company named National and their guitars are $1600+ for any that I have seen.
Is this a new/newer guitar or an old one? if it is vintage, buy it and you can make a mint.
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#3
Couldn't tell you what year it is. From what I have read online National went out a business in 72' so it's definitely vintage.

Been looking for a SG anyways, being that it's rare is just the cherry on top
#4
I did a search- not a common guitar. Much of what I can find is single threads by someone in a similar situation, looking for info on a used guitar find. The other potters suggest it is a Pre-lawsuit guitar from the 1960s or 70s.
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#5
Yeah, its almost certainly vintage, as people are saying

I'd say go for it, even if you end up disliking the guitar you'd still be able to sell it for 300+
#6
Got the National guitar for $240(sorry about the strings, just put them on)


I love the guitar and is probably the closest I'll ever get to owning a Gibson. The weight is surprisingly light as well.

The only thing I don't like is the bridge, very odd. I've never owned a SG before so don't know if this is standard or not. Almost looks aftermarket, but being that it's an Japanese knock off who knows? Maybe Tabdog can help me out on that one.


All and all, I'm pretty happy with the guitar.
#7
Nice! Now, tell us how your new baby sings!
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#8
Not bad, looks like it is in fairly good shape too. Headstock inlay looks like legit abalone, classy! Though I dunno if it is the angle of the picture but that headstock looks like it is the size of an oar! The bridge looks like it is factory, probably an early Japanese take on a TOM tailpiece, upside is it looks like it is the right spacing to take a TOM tailpiece like you would get on a Les Paul or SG from Gibson, could probably replace it with one from allparts for dirt cheap. Overall nice axe for the price, totally digging the witch hat knobs!
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#9
Quote by dannyalcatraz
Nice! Now, tell us how your new baby sings!


Plays like a dream. Love that I can switch from playing blues to rock to metal, whatever my mood is

Quote by ne14t
Not bad, looks like it is in fairly good shape too. Headstock inlay looks like legit abalone, classy! Though I dunno if it is the angle of the picture but that headstock looks like it is the size of an oar! The bridge looks like it is factory, probably an early Japanese take on a TOM tailpiece, upside is it looks like it is the right spacing to take a TOM tailpiece like you would get on a Les Paul or SG from Gibson, could probably replace it with one from allparts for dirt cheap. Overall nice axe for the price, totally digging the witch hat knobs!


Love those knobs too, but thinking of switching them out for a pair of gold top hat knobs
#10
Congrats on your NND, (New National Day)

I think it's a 1972,



I got mine for $100 off CL. It had mold from being in a barn
and lots of scratches. It also had some missing binding and
a missing tremolo arm,









After fixin her up. It is real abalone inlay. Can't tell in my photos
though,







It has very small frets. The add says "virtually fretless". It has
such low action that it seems you can push the string down
with a feather. The pickups are very forgiving and what little
string buzz there is, does not come through the amp. I really
like playing it and the way it sounds.

It may not be quite as full sounding as a Gibson, but it has it's
own personality, which is really nice for an old Japanese guitar,

Tabdog
Last edited by tabdog at Apr 11, 2013,
#11
Nice refurb job! Do it yourself?
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#12
Quote by dannyalcatraz
Nice refurb job! Do it yourself?



Thanks Danny,

Yes I did it myself. The binding was cheap and I bought a whole
bridge, but just used the arm, spring and screw. I want to keep
as stock as possible. I replaced two pots and the black plastic
tip on the selector switch. Cost of referb was about $25 or $30.

The mold and some of the scratches came out using Turtle Wax
rubbing compound and polishing compound.

I consider this as one of my better CL finds,

Tabdog
#13
Tabdog, what do you think of the bridge? Personally the only negative thing about the guitar is the odd bridge. Completely dfifferent than what I'm use to.

Awesome looking axe btw.
#14
Quote by nightowl2011
Tabdog, what do you think of the bridge? Personally the only negative thing about the guitar is the odd bridge. Completely dfifferent than what I'm use to.

Awesome looking axe btw.


Thanks Nightowl,

I'm not a tremolo person. I'm a bass player that
likes to dabble with guitars. I usually block tremolos.
From what I've learned, these are cheap tremolos
that were used on a lot of Japanese in the 60's.
Your's and mine are the only National SG's I've
seen that have the original bridge and tremolo.
Most folks have upgraded both bridge and trem.
I don't use it and it seems to stay in tune as well
as a newer Fender MIM Strat. Not very good in
my book.

There is one of the major parts suppliers that sells
them, but I forgot who.

You can also find them on eBay. Here's a link to
one of those,

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/VINTAGE-STYLE-TREMOLO-BRIDGE-ELECTRIC-GUITAR-/190561249443

It seems like it would be fairly easy to make a hard
tail out of it.

Mine is, or was gold plated. Even though it has mostly
worn off, it has held up better than the chrome plated
bridge on yours. Who would have guessed? The rest
of your hardware has held up pretty good though,
except the broken trem,



Thanks for posting yours,

Tabdog
Last edited by tabdog at Apr 11, 2013,