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#43
For reference, this is what the script should look like in action.
That being said, since the other script seems to work better, I'll just link to that instead and pretend this little wannabe-hacktivist escapade never happened.
Last edited by Cavalcade at Apr 13, 2013,
#44
You're code and his as pretty similar, his just took it a step farther. Still my programming skills are rusty, would have taken me at least 2 hours or so to think of a work around.

Either way I wouldn't have found it if you didn't present a work around, so thanks
Often in ones madness resides genius. Thus for a mind seeped in madness, the imagination is limitless.
#46
I made a thread about this yesterday and everyone called me a whiner and then they closed the thread.

Thank the lord people are finally responding. I was losing hope for this website.
#47
Depends how lazy they are, even if they do find a way it much harder to stop this then it is to do it. If they fix it, then someone else will just find another way around it. Besides with the amount of UG users saying they dislike this system it may not even stay.
Often in ones madness resides genius. Thus for a mind seeped in madness, the imagination is limitless.
#48
Man, sure glad I built up my tab library a while back. Would be a pain in the ass trying to download like an albums worth with this waiting crap.

Quote by Cavalcade
The people behind Tab Pro services are using other people's work, for profit, without their permission, or crediting them, or compensating them, and faking the ratings of bad tabs in order to get people to switch, and showing an unprecedented amount of dishonesty when people call them on it.


I hear you, but I gotta imagine it's all a part of the ToS that once we upload our tabs to UG, the tabs become UG's property. It's like we relinquish ownership to UG in exchange for hosting.

And we really have no true alternative. If we submit our tabs on another site, they're eventually going to "find their way" on to this site anyways. Only thing we can do is to not submit our tabs online, but the only reason I tab (other than because I enjoy it) is to give back to the tabbing community that helped me get better all these years.
Last edited by ruker at Apr 13, 2013,
#49
Got nothing to add to this except a solid amen.

Glad I'm not the only one pissed off about this.

Also I never got the whole adfree thing? I have 7 tabs up which, granted, isn't a whole lot, but it should have been enough to warrant it (if I remember the announcement correctly).

But yeah. Not cool, UG.
*insert trying-too-hard-to-be-ironic link to my crappy music here*
#50
Quote by ruker

I hear you, but I gotta imagine it's all a part of the ToS that once we upload our tabs to UG, the tabs become UG's property. It's like we relinquish ownership to UG in exchange for hosting.

And we really have no true alternative. If we submit our tabs on another site, they're eventually going to "find their way" on to this site anyways. Only thing we can do is to not submit our tabs online, but the only reason I tab (other than because I enjoy it) is to give back to the tabbing community that helped me get better all these years.

You're basically me! And so I'm going to try to prove that first part of what I said wrong. To the Terms Of Service!
6.3 We respect the intellectual property of others, and we ask our users to do the same.

Ha. Ha ha. Haaaaa. Good joke, UG's lawyers. (That's some weak-ass language right there; from a legal standpoint, it doesn't mean shiiit.)
6.1 The Content available through the Service is the property of Ultimate Guitar or its Content Providers

Who are these mysterious Content Providers?
Registered Users ("Content Providers")

Wait, that's me! Do I get any rights for registering?
7. REGISTERED USERS

Go on...
7.2 Ultimate Guitar does not claim any ownership rights in User Generated Content that you transmit, submit, display or publish (“post&rdquo on, through or in connection with the Service. After posting your User Generated Content on, through or in connection with the Service, you continue to retain any such rights that you may have in your User Generated Content

Ta-da! I can't claim copyright on my content once I submit it to UG, but they can't claim ownership. And yet they are, tacitly, by using my work and failing to credit me.
Now, credit. Credit isn't an easily legally-defined concept, and it's different from copyright. Buuuut...
Quote by Wikipedia
Plagiarism is the "wrongful appropriation" and "purloining and publication" of another author's "language, thoughts, ideas, or expressions," and the representation of them as one's own original work.

Are they doing that? You decide!
Drunk lawyering is fuuuun.
#51
Quote by Surrealistic
Dear Ultimate Guitar,

A considerable percentage of your overall visitors come solely to download GP tabs for the popular tablature software, Guitar Pro.

Due to the short nature of this visit, we're not subjected to as much of you excessive advertising. So in order to tap this large stream of revenue that bypasses the current spam (that's how you see us, right?) not only do you make a large pop-up to inform us of you latest marketing scheme, you force us to view it for fifteen seconds.

My question is this: how do you consider this morally justifiable?

I will grant, for the sake of argument that some advertising is acceptable. We as consumers need to be informed about the products that are available. I am not concerned here with simple, modest, and informative advertising.


not to disagree that there is much room to improve what we have now, it's sort of broken logic that we should first off think about users who do "short visits just to download guitar pro files". simeple question is - what's our chance to monetize such visit? ads? fine, but it's a short visit which is the most expensive visit as well in terms of traffic (guitar pro files are the largest files on the site and consume significant amoutn of total bandwith). this is not somethink new or unique on the internet - each and every free download website has such a timer, unless you get premium account. and you should usually wait for 60 to 90 seconds, not just 15.

again, we are going to improve that as soon as this coming Monday:

- no popup for contributors
- no popup for tab pro users
- no popup for ad free users
#52
Quote by jthm_guitarist
This is really fucked, I am a contributor and the adfree doesn't work on this 15 second bullshit. No amount of time staring at the ad is going to change my mind about tabpro so go ahead and reverse this blunder.


sorry about that. we will fix that on Monday. no ads for contributors.
#53
I have had an account since 2008 and I spend a lot of time with every single guitar pro tab from an artist or band open in a tab, I will then scroll through and download them all. You know how long that takes without having to wait 15 seconds every time. it could take me an extra five minutes or something now. Not cool.

wait so If I upload a few tabs, will I get adfree and get rid of this bullshit. Im never going to use tab pro if I already have guitar pro. Where is the logic here!
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You know what would be really sweet? Having a beautiful bird inlaid around the first fret, taking a majestic dump with airborne droppings around the 5th, 7th, 9th frets and so on, with a graceful impact around the 22nd-24th.
#55
Does Tab Pro allow the creation of tabs, or does it purely leech content from GuitarPro, stealing potential Arobas customers without having to go to the effort of creating and maintaining the complex editor functionality used by the smaller part of the user base?

Just wondering... cos that would suck so much...
Last edited by DoomSprout at Apr 14, 2013,
#56
Quote by DoomSprout
Does Tab Pro allow the creation of tabs, or does it purely leech content from GuitarPro, stealing potential Arobas customers without having to go to the effort of creating and maintaining the complex editor functionality used by the smaller part of the user base?

Just wondering... cos that would suck so much...

erm...? leech content from what? from Guitar Pro? Guitar pro doesn't have any content, it's us, ultimate guitar, who powers arobas' product with content which you download from ultimate guitar. it's us, ultimate guitar, who license content and pay royalties to let visitors download and others to distribute guitar pro files. every single download of guitar pro file costs us money that we pay to artists/publishers. it's also ultimate guitar which makes guitar pro format popular.
#57
I truthfully do not desire to be an asshole. I understand monetizing a website -- you all provide a great service that absolutely has costs involved, and those costs have to be covered. That's a given and I would never fault an organization of this sort for monetizing their website through advertising. It's a necessity and fully expected.

But as someone who works in the digital marketing field, the advice you've received is coming from a poor source and you need to consult a genuine professional that understands digital marketing. It's really gotten to the point where your monetizing strategy significantly takes away from the functionality of the website and makes the site almost chore-like to use in some respects. That's not good, obviously.

I would encourage you to rethink your overall strategy and implementation. I say that as someone who really does like this site, visits fairly frequently, has recommended it to friends, and so on. I genuinely do believe if you continue down the path you're on, a substitute is sure to arise in the long run.
#58
Quote by zappp
erm...? leech content from what? from Guitar Pro? Guitar pro doesn't have any content, it's us, ultimate guitar, who powers arobas' product with content which you download from ultimate guitar. it's us, ultimate guitar, who license content and pay royalties to let visitors download and others to distribute guitar pro files. every single download of guitar pro file costs us money that we pay to artists/publishers. it's also ultimate guitar which makes guitar pro format popular.


You know they are very good points. Have you ever considered going into some sort of partnership with Arobas? I mean that would make a lot of sense when you consider the points you've raised. Perhaps a UG and Guitar Pro tie-in product would be good, as both of your products work hand in hand.

In any case I'm sure you'll figure out the best way to proceed with this situation. I'm still a loyal fan of UG, it's helped me countless times
The trouble with democracy is, no matter who you vote for the government always gets in.
#59
Quote by zappp
erm...? leech content from what? from Guitar Pro? Guitar pro doesn't have any content, it's us, ultimate guitar, who powers arobas' product with content which you download from ultimate guitar. it's us, ultimate guitar, who license content and pay royalties to let visitors download and others to distribute guitar pro files. every single download of guitar pro file costs us money that we pay to artists/publishers. it's also ultimate guitar which makes guitar pro format popular.


I find it extremely hard to believe that every single GP tab, UG would need to pay royalties to the artists/labels. But perhaps you're just speaking frankly, as earlier you said every free file hosting site makes you wait an amount of time before you can download, which sites like mediafire would beg to differ.
#60
Quote by zappp
erm...? leech content from what? from Guitar Pro? Guitar pro doesn't have any content, it's us, ultimate guitar, who powers arobas' product with content which you download from ultimate guitar. it's us, ultimate guitar, who license content and pay royalties to let visitors download and others to distribute guitar pro files. every single download of guitar pro file costs us money that we pay to artists/publishers. it's also ultimate guitar which makes guitar pro format popular.


OK, I guess I could have worded that better. I love UG - it's a fantastic service you provide - but this latest move, on top of the already over-the-top Tab Pro advertising, genuinely annoyed me.

You do have an almost symbiotic relationship with Arobas. They need you, and you need them. I just find there is something unsound about the way you are competing by attempting to irritate users into using your software instead of theirs.

I don't know. As the "keepers of the content", maybe you have every right to control exactly how users access that content... this way of doing it just feels wrong to me somehow.
#61
To be honest, there isn't any reason for a 15 second wait.
I understand a wait for non members, but for members?
#62
Guys, just find the 100,000+ Guitar Pro torrent and DL it. If UG wants to annoy the shit outta you guys with ads, go elsewhere. When you have 100,000+ tabs, you'll find you won't be constantly coming back here for tabs; thus, less 15 second ads.

Edit: Ever since I've had 100,000+ tabs, I've came here looking for tabs much, much less. Plus, I'm sure there's a bunch of other sites that offer the same service without such an annoyance.

Problem is, DON'T GET USED TO IT. This advertisement crap is only getting worse and soon, if not already, the internet will be just like TV with its advertisements - some offer you a choice to skip, but that's going away. Just look at youtube. In the past, there were practically no ads. Now, they're squeezing in forced 30 sec ads. It's just gonna keep gettin' worse.
Last edited by Dimarzio45 at Apr 14, 2013,
#63
Are you kidding me? I wish I could send you youngsters back in time to dial-up internet and 256k ram speed on your computer. I realize that we are in the generation of "instant satisfaction" but you can't tell me that 15 seconds is too long. I would like to see UG have ads for Tampax and Oprah magazine. And even then 15 seconds is not an inconvenience. The 2 minutes that I spent reading your bitch session and trying to figure out if you were trolling was a waist of time and offensive to several senses. Nothing is free but UG is as close as it gets. Please please please find a different site that has all of these features with no ads. Then find something to bitch about there.
#64
Quote by dimarzio77
Are you kidding me? I wish I could send you youngsters back in time to dial-up internet and 256k ram speed on your computer. I realize that we are in the generation of "instant satisfaction" but you can't tell me that 15 seconds is too long. I would like to see UG have ads for Tampax and Oprah magazine. And even then 15 seconds is not an inconvenience. The 2 minutes that I spent reading your bitch session and trying to figure out if you were trolling was a waist of time and offensive to several senses. Nothing is free but UG is as close as it gets. Please please please find a different site that has all of these features with no ads. Then find something to bitch about there.

Nice username.


This is awkward
Last edited by Dimarzio45 at Apr 14, 2013,
#65
The worst thing here is that you display this 15s ad to users who probably already have GP, which is a superior product to Tab pro... So, what's the point ?
You're adverting to the wrong people here, they are the less interested in the product.
So forcing me to see this ad for 15s everytime I want to download a tab is just useless.

There's another issue not mentioned here : the approval queue. Checking a GP tab will become really tedious if you have to wait when you want to compare a submission with the existing tabs.
Last edited by killergege at Apr 14, 2013,
#66
Quote by dimarzio77
Are you kidding me? I wish I could send you youngsters back in time to dial-up internet and 256k ram speed on your computer. I realize that we are in the generation of "instant satisfaction" but you can't tell me that 15 seconds is too long. I would like to see UG have ads for Tampax and Oprah magazine. And even then 15 seconds is not an inconvenience. The 2 minutes that I spent reading your bitch session and trying to figure out if you were trolling was a waist of time and offensive to several senses. Nothing is free but UG is as close as it gets. Please please please find a different site that has all of these features with no ads. Then find something to bitch about there.

It's not just the 15 seconds wait time. They advertise Tab Pro being the largest tab catalogue, created by guitarists for guitarists. This could easily imply that if you subscribe for Tab Pro you'll get higher quality tabs made by pros than the ones you can get for free created by the users. However these tabs are simply the exact copy of our submissions without giving us credit, and Tab Pro is far from being superior to Guitar Pro anyway.
So the Tab Pro user buys a product for which he pays monthly, because he isn't informed anywhere that he can get the exact same tabs for free and a software to open and edit (which AFAIK is not possible with Tab Pro, but I may be wrong) them for I think about a years subscription fee. Or free with Tux Guitar.

Edit: Oh, I also see that you have no contributions, so you might not know this feeling. Be it in the ToS or not, it still doesn't feel good when they just copy your work in which you put lots of hours of your own free time just to help fellow guitarists and then they just put it in Tab Pro like it was made by them or something.
Last edited by Petzakecske at Apr 14, 2013,
#68
Quote by Petzakecske
It's not just the 15 seconds wait time. They advertise Tab Pro being the largest tab catalogue, created by guitarists for guitarists. This could easily imply that if you subscribe for Tab Pro you'll get higher quality tabs made by pros than the ones you can get for free created by the users. However these tabs are simply the exact copy of our submissions without giving us credit, and Tab Pro is far from being superior to Guitar Pro anyway.
So the Tab Pro user buys a product for which he pays monthly, because he isn't informed anywhere that he can get the exact same tabs for free and a software to open and edit (which AFAIK is not possible with Tab Pro, but I may be wrong) them for I think about a years subscription fee. Or free with Tux Guitar.

Edit: Oh, I also see that you have no contributions, so you might not know this feeling. Be it in the ToS or not, it still doesn't feel good when they just copy your work in which you put lots of hours of your own free time just to help fellow guitarists and then they just put it in Tab Pro like it was made by them or something.

Hey, if someone decides to purchase tab pro without researching other options/choices and finds that he/she has been screwed over, that's not tab pro's or UG's fault. It's the purchaser lacking any sort of consumer vigilance. That's like someone buying a 2wd car and being pissed that it's not AWD. Come on now.

PS- UG can do whatever they want with tabs other than ignore the demand of a certain tab being removed. You forfeit your right at getting credit for any tab as soon as it makes an appearance here on UG. Most sites are like that.

The UG contract could clear up many of these "debates" on this topic. As far as ads go, UG offers a service. We all know it, but some have to be reminded: Shit. Ain't. Free.
Last edited by Dimarzio45 at Apr 14, 2013,
#69
Quote by Surrealistic
Dear Ultimate Guitar,

A considerable percentage of your overall visitors come solely to download GP tabs for the popular tablature software, Guitar Pro.

Due to the short nature of this visit, we're not subjected to as much of you excessive advertising. So in order to tap this large stream of revenue that bypasses the current spam (that's how you see us, right?) not only do you make a large pop-up to inform us of you latest marketing scheme, you force us to view it for fifteen seconds.

My question is this: how do you consider this morally justifiable?

I will grant, for the sake of argument that some advertising is acceptable. We as consumers need to be informed about the products that are available. I am not concerned here with simple, modest, and informative advertising.

Why should UG cater to your desire to NOT have to view ads? Is 15 seconds REALLY that much?
#70
Quote by Dimarzio45
Guys, just find the 100,000+ Guitar Pro torrent and DL it. If UG wants to annoy the shit outta you guys with ads, go elsewhere. When you have 100,000+ tabs, you'll find you won't be constantly coming back here for tabs; thus, less 15 second ads.


10,000+ random tabs from a torrent does not solve the problem. First of all, we'd be getting tons and tons of tabs from bands that we don't want. Second, why should anyone trust the torrent creator to pick the best versions of the tabs? Chances are they just see a 5-star tab and they'll use that one, rather than maybe a newer version that's waaay better with no ratings yet. If there are multiple 5-star versions of one song, are they going to sift out the best/most accurate version? Doubtful.

Quote by crazysam23_Atax
Why should UG cater to your desire to NOT have to view ads? Is 15 seconds REALLY that much?


BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE GP, WE HAVE ZERO USE FOR TAB PRO! Shesh, why is it only the non-contributors don't understand this?
Last edited by ruker at Apr 14, 2013,
#71
Quote by ruker
10,000+ random tabs from a torrent does not solve the problem. First of all, we'd be getting tons and tons of tabs from bands that we don't want. Second, why should anyone trust the torrent creator to pick the best versions of the tabs? Chances are they just see a 5-star tab and they'll use that one, rather than maybe a newer version that's waaay better with no ratings yet. If there are multiple 5-star versions of one song, are they going to sift out the best/most accurate version? Doubtful.


It's 100,000 tabs. Plus, you get the same selection of tabs as THIS website! Not to mention it's only 210 MB. It's not like it takes up that much space. It's way more convenient. Plus, a newer version of a tab isn't guaranteed to be better than a previous one. You've seen how many alternate versions there are on here. You should know that a new one doesn't mean didly.
#72
Quote by ruker
BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE GP, WE HAVE ZERO USE FOR TAB PRO! Shesh, why is it only the non-contributors don't understand this?

There's nothing I WANT to contribute as far as tabs go because there's already 20 goddamn versions of each song. At least with having them all on my computer, I can sift through all versions in the same amount of time it would take you to get 2 and hear them.

Sheesh, why is it contributers don't understand that websites have to advertise SOMETHING and if it's not Tab Pro, it's gonna be something else that's most likely equally as annoying. Either way, you'll be waiting 15 seconds. Get over it and stop being a baby about it. Go to another website or start your own.
Last edited by Dimarzio45 at Apr 14, 2013,
#73
Quote by Dimarzio45
Plus, a newer version of a tab isn't guaranteed to be better than a previous one. You've seen how many alternate versions there are on here. You should know that a new one doesn't mean didly.


Yes, I'm well aware. But at the same time, we take precaution in filtering out the bad newer versions in the tab submissions queue (a place you can't see because you don't contribute). More times than not now, newer versions are going to be more accurate, be it fingerings or during playback.

Quote by Dimarzio45
Sheesh, why is it contributers don't understand that websites have to advertise SOMETHING and if it's not Tab Pro, it's gonna be something else that's most likely equally as annoying. Either way, you'll be waiting 15 seconds. Get over it and stop being a baby about it. Go to another website or start your own.


I already addressed this early in the thread. Way to read braj. Oh and btw, since you don't contribute, you obviously don't know that those of us that have contributed, have ads removed from this site.
Last edited by ruker at Apr 14, 2013,
#74
I guess I'm going back to typing out the URL to download what I need. It's how I got all the Dethklok GPs that were pulled but never actually deleted.
#75
Really Dimarzio45, why are you even here? You clearly don't use the site for the same purpose as we do, so why you think you have any credibility to comment on such a problem is baffling. Because obviously that big old torrent download you have won't EVER go out of date and will include every new artist in 2013 who's song we want to learn. Does that torrent download have the new QOTSA song? Will it have the new Megadeth album, Black Sabbath album? What about the new UK indie band Peace's album, Uncle Acid and the Deadbeats new album? I could go on.

So where am I going to find all these tabs then...SITES LIKE UG!!! So then we're back to square one, debating on how to make a site that we will inevitably have to use, better and more functional for its users, as well as its contributors.

Go sit on your superior throne propped up by your fat torrent download, that can't even be guaranteed to be any more accurate then the tabs on this sites, and stop commenting on something you don't even use.
Last edited by Leftfordead86 at Apr 14, 2013,
#76
Quote by Leftfordead86
Really Dimarzio45, why are you even here? You clearly don't use the site for the same purpose as we do, so why you think you have any credibility to comment on such a problem is baffling. Because obviously that big old torrent download you have won't EVER go out of date and will include every new artist in 2013 who's song we want to learn. Does that torrent download have the new QOTSA song? Will it have the new Megadeth album, Black Sabbath album? What about the new UK indie band Peace's album, Uncle Acid and the Deadbeats new album? I could go on.

So where am I going to find all these tabs then...SITES LIKE UG!!! So then we're back to square one, debating on how to make a site that we will inevitably have to use, better and more functional for its users, as well as its contributors.

Go sit on your superior throne propped up by your fat torrent download, that can't even be guaranteed to be any more accurate then the tabs on this sites, and stop commenting on something you don't even use.

Hey, I still come here for tabs as I previously stated. I still look at and wait on the 15 second screen too.

Also, there's a lot more to this site than just tabs.
Last edited by Dimarzio45 at Apr 14, 2013,
#77
I just have to add my two cents and say that this is total bullshit. I am a contributor, so I thought I was to be exempt from advertising. I am also a GuitarPro user, so there is no reason to try to convince me to use your product. If anything it is ensuring that I never even consider the TabPro product in the future.

It's one thing to have ads, but you are inhibiting the usability of the site.
#78
Quote by NemX162
I just have to add my two cents and say that this is total bullshit. I am a contributor, so I thought I was to be exempt from advertising. I am also a GuitarPro user, so there is no reason to try to convince me to use your product. If anything it is ensuring that I never even consider the TabPro product in the future.

It's one thing to have ads, but you are inhibiting the usability of the site.


It's all good, zappp addressed this earlier... his post seems to just have gotten buried by our bickering. Here is it:

Quote by zappp
again, we are going to improve that as soon as this coming Monday:

- no popup for contributors
- no popup for tab pro users
- no popup for ad free users
#80
I can understand that it's necessary for UG to promote it's product in order to maintain the site - that much is obvious. But, really? A 15 second wait? First we had the demo box above the tab - that's okay, I can scroll past it easily enough. But a timed pop-up? As a user, the only effects this will have on me are:

- I'll search elsewhere for GP tabs - I already have Guitar Pro, why would I ever need to use Tab Pro? Even Tux Guitar has a Java web launcher, so it's not as if I'd even need it for that reason - tux guitar does the same thing as Tab Pro for free.

- If I can't find the tab elsewhere, I'll sit and blankly stare at the popup for 15 seconds. It's not anymore likely to make me or other people who already have Guitar Pro or TuxGuitar purchase Tab Pro.

I'm no marketing expert, but this is a very heavy handed and frankly bad way at trying to secure more sales. At the very least, set it so there is no timer on the popup if you must have one.
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