Poll: what do you make of male feminists? are you one?
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yes, i'm interested in women politics and the empowerment of women
55 38%
no, not that im against them getting their rights and stuff..
64 44%
I dont give a rats ass about womens issues. lick my balls and make my dinner
45 31%
just seems like another scheme to get laid in some lame roundabout way
46 32%
yes of course I am. most men are devils and women need strong leadership
23 16%
no, i'm a men's rights activist
35 24%
lol@male feminists. limp-wristed f*ckboys
51 35%
Voters: 144.
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#1
I ran into a dude in my marketing class that referred to himself as a 'male feminist'. I wanted to spit in his face

just seemed like a scheme to get laid to me.
#2
I consider myself a male fuckyourthreadsinist.
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#3
"Male feminist" isn't a thing. You're either a feminist or not, regardless of gender. Putting "male" on the front is unnecessary.
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"Male feminist" isn't a thing. You're either a feminist or not, regardless of gender. Putting "male" on the front is unnecessary.


so are you a feminist?
#7
depends on what you mean feminist... because I've never cared enough to fully understand the lengths and limitations of the word; I've just got a general idea.


However no I'm not.
men and women are different, that's nature for you.
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+1
It's over simplified, So what!

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No. I'm a humanist.

This.
I don't support feminism or even masculism, I simply support 'equality' in all humans.
#9
i beleive in equality ive been called a feminist by some of my femalefeminist freinds but to be honest i dont think men and women are equal just based on biologial resons sometimes i have a"softspot" for women as i let more things slide for them(id never let a guy be emotional because hes on his perios for example) but im pretty sure if i ddi the opposite alot of people would be pissed off at me
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(id never let a guy be emotional because hes on his perios for example)


I don't care what you say, if blood started pouring out of my penis I would certainly get very emotional... and I'm pretty sure you would too.
#13
I don't support feminism i support equality, they're not the same
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#14
Nah, not really. I don't support the empowerment of one gender over the other. I actually just don't support the idea of creating a divide in genders by supporting one's "empowerment", it allows an opposite to grow, and of course we've all seen the growth in MRAs. In the end feminism might set back gender equality rather than bolster it. It's become outdated, change these movements to account for the change in public mindsets.


Although I understand that lots of people passively call themselves feminists without actually doing much about it than sharing links on FB or posting tumblr pictures.
#15
^ To empower women from a situation where they're used as marketing tools, scapegoats, and generally viewed as the lesser gender. To challenge negative and out dated stereotypes about intelligence, sexuality, gender specific roles, etc. To break the glass ceiling.

To acknowledge that women have their own needs in certain situations and that those needs are properly discussed and realised so that women are not punished based on unavoidable gender specific things.

So, a women is pregnant, she should not be allowed to be fired while or because she is pregnant.

A women should not be denied a job because she might become pregnant.

The point is to ensure that women are given a fair shot in a society and culture where they're used as marketing tools for men and thought of as objects and the lesser gender.

It's NOT about making women the superior gender like some kind of Amazonian hell.

Equality for women isn't just letting women have the same things as men, it's about realising they have different needs that need to be addressed fairly. There are still lots of situations where they aren't, and they are still one of the most discriminated groups in Western societies.
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#16
The point of feminism is that they should have the same freedom as men to shape their lives. If a woman wants to be a scientist, career mother, porn star, etc. it should be her prerogative to choose how she manages her life with no more external pressures than men.

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#17
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This.
I don't support feminism or even masculism, I simply support 'equality' in all humans.


This

Any male who is a 'feminist' is either highly uneducated on the matter or just extremely stupid.

Feminism supports Patriarchy Theory, one of the most hateful mentalities towards men there can be. Masculism is the backlash of this Patriarchy Theory, usually very defensive and just as hateful. It's misandry vs misogyny(I always laugh when I see my damn browser doesn't even acknowledge the term even exists)

Call yourself a Men's/Women's Right Activist, but please for the love of god do some research before you attach the 'Feminist' label on to yourself. For those that want to claim they're the same...do your research.
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#18
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^ To empower women from a situation where they're used as marketing tools, scapegoats, and generally viewed as the lesser gender. To challenge negative and out dated stereotypes about intelligence, sexuality, gender specific roles, etc. To break the glass ceiling.

To acknowledge that women have their own needs in certain situations and that those needs are properly discussed and realised so that women are not punished based on unavoidable gender specific things.

So, a women is pregnant, she should not be allowed to be fired while or because she is pregnant.

A women should not be denied a job because she might become pregnant.

The point is to ensure that women are given a fair shot in a society and culture where they're used as marketing tools for men and thought of as objects and the lesser gender.

It's NOT about making women the superior gender like some kind of Amazonian hell.

Equality for women isn't just letting women have the same things as men, it's about realising they have different needs that need to be addressed fairly.


You do realise women are being used as marketing tools because it sells and the people making the money don't give a shit about anything else, right?

That won't change, and as far as the legal terms equality is very possible, but you can't change society very easily.
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#19
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^ To empower women from a situation where they're used as marketing tools, scapegoats, and generally viewed as the lesser gender. To challenge negative and out dated stereotypes about intelligence, sexuality, gender specific roles, etc. To break the glass ceiling.

To acknowledge that women have their own needs in certain situations and that those needs are properly discussed and realised so that women are not punished based on unavoidable gender specific things.

So, a women is pregnant, she should not be allowed to be fired while or because she is pregnant.

A women should not be denied a job because she might become pregnant.

The point is to ensure that women are given a fair shot in a society and culture where they're used as marketing tools for men and thought of as objects and the lesser gender.

It's NOT about making women the superior gender like some kind of Amazonian hell.

Equality for women isn't just letting women have the same things as men, it's about realising they have different needs that need to be addressed fairly. There are still lots of situations where they aren't, and they are still one of the most discriminated groups in Western societies.


But if a man was somehow to become pregnant, shouldn't he be afforded the same 'equal' rights as a woman?

And aren't men used as marketing tools too and often thought of as objects and the lesser gender by many women?

Y'see, although it's true that men and women have different needs, it's not about their differences, it's still about equality.
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#20
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^ To empower women from a situation where they're used as marketing tools, scapegoats, and generally viewed as the lesser gender. To challenge negative and out dated stereotypes about intelligence, sexuality, gender specific roles, etc. To break the glass ceiling.

To acknowledge that women have their own needs in certain situations and that those needs are properly discussed and realised so that women are not punished based on unavoidable gender specific things.

So, a women is pregnant, she should not be allowed to be fired while or because she is pregnant.

A women should not be denied a job because she might become pregnant.

The point is to ensure that women are given a fair shot in a society and culture where they're used as marketing tools for men and thought of as objects and the lesser gender.

It's NOT about making women the superior gender like some kind of Amazonian hell.

Equality for women isn't just letting women have the same things as men, it's about realising they have different needs that need to be addressed fairly. There are still lots of situations where they aren't, and they are still one of the most discriminated groups in Western societies.

You idiot, I'm not talking about feminism making women a superior, ruling gender. Read my post again then try to come up with a relevant response.
#21
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You do realise women are being used as marketing tools because it sells and the people making the money don't give a shit about anything else, right?

That won't change, and as far as the legal terms equality is very possible, but you can't change society very easily.

That's true.


I disagree. It can change. I think in some European countries it's illegal to use sex targeted advertisement. Obviously this is in the interest of everyone. The problem isn't in the people making the rules, it's in the people who want a change but don't know how to get it.
#22
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That's true.


I disagree. It can change. I think in some European countries it's illegal to use sex targeted advertisement. Obviously this is in the interest of everyone. The problem isn't in the people making the rules, it's in the people who want a change but don't know how to get it.


All i'm saying is posting pics and videos on the internet, making a petition, or anything like that won't change anything.

I view changing society like making a thread in the pit asking people to do something, everybody will do the opposite. You gotta think a bit out side the box. Because yeah, the problem is people are taking the wrong approach.
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#24
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You do realise women are being used as marketing tools because it sells and the people making the money don't give a shit about anything else, right?

That won't change, and as far as the legal terms equality is very possible, but you can't change society very easily.


Yea I'm very much aware of that. It would be very hard for people to say 'That's discriminative, we'll boycott that' but I think it's true nethertheless.

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But if a man was somehow to become pregnant, shouldn't he be afforded the same 'equal' rights as a woman?

And aren't men used as marketing tools too and often thought of as objects and the lesser gender by many women?

Y'see, although it's true that men and women have different needs, it's not about their differences, it's still about equality.


Then yes, that would require the debate to reopen. If a man requires specific needs then of course they would need them addressed.

Men being objectified is wrong too, and it's the same thing but men don't have the same objectified ideas about them in society. Using a man in underpants doesn't reinforce the same ideas about men as they do about women.

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You idiot, I'm not talking about feminism making women a superior, ruling gender. Read my post again then try to come up with a relevant response.


I was referring to the person who asked about feminism, which is why I described it for him, why would I describe it for you when it's not relevant but two posts ABOVE you would make it relevant? The posts were made while I was typing. Ask before you start insulting people.
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#25
I think the word "feminist" is going through somewhat of an identity crisis, so I don't know what to call myself.
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I was referring to the person who asked about feminism, which is why I described it for him, why would I describe it for you when it's not relevant but two posts ABOVE you would make it relevant? The posts were made while I was typing. Ask before you start insulting people.


Then you should've edited your post to put three arrows so we'll know or just quote the guy, would've saved you some trouble
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#27
Fair enough, but I didn't notice. I still think the response was completely over the top.

If you turned round and replied to someone and they went 'YOU IDIOT I never said that, he did!', wouldn't you think that would be pretty ridiculous?

Is it too much to ask for civility? The discussion has taken a slightly negative twist and while I made a mistake, it wasn't enough to warrant a reaction like that.
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Then yes, that would require the debate to reopen. If a man requires specific needs then of course they would need them addressed.

I disagree, no debate should be required, if a man was pregnant he should be afforded the same rights as a pregnant woman, no question about it. What I'm saying is that it's not the sex of an individual itself that affords them certain rights, it's 'conditions' that may or may not be associated with a particular sex that affords them those rights.

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Men being objectified is wrong too, and it's the same thing but men don't have the same objectified ideas about them in society. Using a man in underpants doesn't reinforce the same ideas about men as they do about women.
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It does to many women. Have you ever seen the way that women often behave when they are out on a hen night or in a male stripper club? Women nowadays objectify men in just the same way that men have historicaly objectified women.
Now, we can declare that objectifying people is wrong and that no one should do it, or, we can say "Well, if they both objectify each other, then at least their both equal now." but I don't think we can still claim today that men objectify women but women don't objectify men.
#30
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I was referring to the person who asked about feminism, which is why I described it for him, why would I describe it for you when it's not relevant but two posts ABOVE you would make it relevant? The posts were made while I was typing. Ask before you start insulting people.

That's why I called you an idiot, because it seemed like you had no idea what my post said. Still an idiot, should've edited it to specify who you were addressing. Day 1 forum etiquette.
#32
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I disagree, no debate should be required, if a man was pregnant he should be afforded the same rights as a pregnant woman, no question about it. What I'm saying is that it's not the sex of an individual itself that affords them certain rights, it's 'conditions' that may or may not be associated with a particular sex that affords them those rights.


We're on the same page. But it would be such a crazy thing that talking about it would be needed. The entire nature of masculinity would have changed. The man who is pregnant might want different things, his voice would need to heard. Nothing wrong with that I think?

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It does to many women. Have you ever seen the way that women often behave when they are out on a hen night or in a male stripper club? Women nowadays objectify men in just the same way that men have historicaly objectified women.
Now, we can declare that objectifying people is wrong and that no one should do it, or, we can say "Well, if they both objectify each other, then at least their both equal now." but I don't think we can still claim today that men objectify women but women don't objectify men.


I've never been to a male stripper club

I agree that women, given the opportunity will objectify men. But when they leave the strip club it largely ends. The impact isn't the same because men are have such a grip on society that it would take a lot more than 10 years of strip clubs and ad campaigns to change that.
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#33
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It does to many women. Have you ever seen the way that women often behave when they are out on a hen night or in a male stripper club? Women nowadays objectify men in just the same way that men have historicaly objectified women.
Now, we can declare that objectifying people is wrong and that no one should do it, or, we can say "Well, if they both objectify each other, then at least their both equal now." but I don't think we can still claim today that men objectify women but women don't objectify men.

Exactly. People often act as if men are the only ones that look at things sexually, so not ture.
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#34
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That's why I called you an idiot, because it seemed like you had no idea what my post said. Still an idiot, should've edited it to specify who you were addressing. Day 1 forum etiquette.


It was such a small error, go **** yourself.
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#36
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It was such a small error, go **** yourself.

What a great comeback.
That's all I feel like adding to this thread.
#37
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It does to many women. Have you ever seen the way that women often behave when they are out on a hen night or in a male stripper club? Women nowadays objectify men in just the same way that men have historicaly objectified women.
Now, we can declare that objectifying people is wrong and that no one should do it, or, we can say "Well, if they both objectify each other, then at least their both equal now." but I don't think we can still claim today that men objectify women but women don't objectify men.

True, but the objectification of women is much more prevalent than its male counterpart. Especially in American cinema, television and media.

For example, how many guys do you know are huge fans of 50 Shades of Grey? Not many, I presume. But how much of The Pit do you think will go watch the film adaptation when their favorite sex idol was cast in the lead? The studio of course is relying on the fact that lots of men view Emma Watson as a sex object.

I know this might not apply to you because you're in a different age group and have different priorities, but hopefully you see where I'm coming from
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#38
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We're on the same page. But it would be such a crazy thing that talking about it would be needed. The entire nature of masculinity would have changed. The man who is pregnant might want different things, his voice would need to heard. Nothing wrong with that I think?

You're missing my point, I'm saying that it isn't because she's a 'female' that a pregnant woman is afforded certain rights, it's because she's 'pregnant'. She's afforded certain rights because her condition makes her (and her unborne child) much more vulnerable than she normaly would be.

The same would be true if a man was to become pregnant, so he should naturaly be instantly afforded the same rights based upon his vulnerablility.


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I've never been to a male stripper club

I agree that women, given the opportunity will objectify men. But when they leave the strip club it largely ends. The impact isn't the same because men are have such a grip on society that it would take a lot more than 10 years of strip clubs and ad campaigns to change that.

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True, but the objectification of women is much more prevalent than its male counterpart. Especially in American cinema, television and media.

For example, how many guys do you know are huge fans of 50 Shades of Grey? Not many, I presume. But how much of The Pit do you think will go watch the film adaptation when their favorite sex idol was cast in the lead? The studio of course is relying on the fact that lots of men view Emma Watson as a sex object.

I know this might not apply to you because you're in a different age group and have different priorities, but hopefully you see where I'm coming from

But that's just how culture develops, 'gradualy'. It may not have the same impact now, but it's a beginning, who's to say that at sometime in the future women objectifying men won't be every bit the same problem that men objectifying women is today?
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#39
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It does to many women. Have you ever seen the way that women often behave when they are out on a hen night or in a male stripper club? Women nowadays objectify men in just the same way that men have historicaly objectified women.
Now, we can declare that objectifying people is wrong and that no one should do it, or, we can say "Well, if they both objectify each other, then at least their both equal now." but I don't think we can still claim today that men objectify women but women don't objectify men.

Indeed we can't. However when it comes to the media objectifying females is still more common and people whining that "women do it to men too" is a commonly used excuse for refusing to change things. Which is why we should be encouraging the view that objectifying people of any gender is wrong.
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#40
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Yeah, this.


People have said more on the matter in the thread than I would anyway, so I won't add any more, but I still want to add my name to this list.