#1
So I bought a Bogner uberschall Rev Blue Used a few years ago (since I got it for a steal) and its been the only amp I used since. I dont play in a death metal or deathcore band, more of a progressive metal/space rock band that has a mixture jazz/acoustic/heavy stuff etc.

Anyways, everyone is pissing on not getting this amp because of the cleans and says the cleans are pretty sterile. Funny thing, I can't find anyone that seems like it can be changed.

I stuck a MXR 10 band in front of the clean channel and that by itself, flatlined, brings life too it. I adjusted the EQ bands a little and stuck a slight reverb/delay in front of It it sounds really damn good, almost to the point where I can't believe it is coming from an amp that sounded so weak in the clean sector before.

I also left it on for the Dirty Channel and it felt like It lifted a muffly veil off the distortion channel. I keep the gain ridiculously low anyways.

So, why the heck don't more people use these things? am I missing something?
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#2
Maybe people feel that for an amp that is such an investment it shouldn't need an eq in front of it?

Any chance you could post up some sound clips comparing with and without the eq?
#3
That's really common. EVH famously used an old MXR 6 band in front of his Plexi with a mid boost to tighten it up. I'd never bother with my Bogner.
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#4
I have the same amp you have. a little reverb, delay or chorus does wonders for the clean channel. and I bought an mxr 10 band and discovered after messing with it for a bit that It's just unnecessary. Any tone i really liked, I found i could achieve without the eq. The Uberschall is a killer amp and with the right pedal setup can be a bit more versatile than people like to give them credit for.
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#5
Quote by mmolteratx
That's really common. EVH famously used an old MXR 6 band in front of his Plexi with a mid boost to tighten it up. I'd never bother with my Bogner.

+311

I'd go with a different amp if I wanted something different.
#6
They make a good boost too though even if you leave them flat. The MXR10 is a good thing.
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#7
Most people don't put them in front because they give you way more control in the loop.
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#8
Quote by Offworld92
Most people don't put them in front because they give you way more control in the loop.


You actually get more control over the character of the distortion itself in front. You do get more control of the frequency response as a whole in the loop though.
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#9
I'm not using an MXR but I have an EQ in both places. They're MIDI controlled so it's pretty nice. You can sculpt the sound of your amp in fine detail doing that. The one in front controls your preamp and the one in the loop controls the power amp. Gotta love that.
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#10
That doesn't make much sense to me. Isn't the loop in front of the power amp, so it shapes the preamp there? And you'd need some post EQ to control the power amp?
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#11
Quote by Offworld92
That doesn't make much sense to me. Isn't the loop in front of the power amp, so it shapes the preamp there? And you'd need some post EQ to control the power amp?


No- in front of the preamp it literally increases the point to point voltage incoming into V1.(if you increase the volume) Depending on how V1 is set up it could be the difference of clean vs distortion. . (Basically the gain factor comes into play- a small change into the first gain stage will have a much larger change coming out) [input sesnsitivity]

Not to mention the EQ shaping as well. You are controlling the frequencies that are being distorted.


Past the preamp in the FX loop you are working with the signal out of the preamp and shaping it right before the power amp.(what frequencies have already been distorted)
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