#1
Hey,

After a long time away from guitar i am getting back into it, and i love listening to and playing metal songs (arch enemy, amon amarth etc.) I have about £500 to spend, maybe a little more, and i've been looking at the lpj and sgj. They both sound awesome, but as they use slightly different humbuckers i'm wondering which would be the best for playing metal on

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#2
Depends on what your amp is.
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#3
Oh i forgot to mention the amp, my amp SUCKS im getting a new one maybe a marshall of some sort? not too sure there...
#4
If you think they both sound awesome just get the one you personally like more. Tone is subjective.

You can always change the pickups too in the future for (relatively) cheap


get an amp.
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FWIW, I did not like the SGJ at all. I played one and the finish was awful, the neck was rough and poorly sanded, and it didn't hold a tune at all.
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You can get a MUCH better guitar than those for £500. If you like the SG style, an ESP LTD Viper is far better and if you prefer the Les Paul style, a single cut from the PRS SE range would be VASTLY superior.
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You can get a MUCH better guitar than those for £500. If you like the SG style, an ESP LTD Viper is far better and if you prefer the Les Paul style, a single cut from the PRS SE range would be VASTLY superior.

Have you played an LPJ or an SGJ?
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FWIW, I did not like the SGJ at all. I played one and the finish was awful, the neck was rough and poorly sanded, and it didn't hold a tune at all.

That's kinda the point finish-wise. They're supposed to feel rough.
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the lp should be slightly better for metal, everything else being equal (which it isn't). the 498T in the LP is slightly hotter than the 490T in the SG, and also the 498T has alnico 5 magnets versus the 490T's alnico II magnets, both of which should improve metal tones.

I should point out that I haven't tried either guitar, and also I wouldn't really call a 498T a metal pickup either- just it should be a bit better for it than the 490R in the SG.
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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Let Gregs1020 find you an old MIJ LP clone

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#10
Awesome,
any recommendations an amps for £300 or under?
Thanks again
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I would put more money towards your amp than your guitar. Especially if your current amp "sucks." There are more threads that I can think of that recommend amp then guitar. If you are really looking for a Gibson style guitar, I would get a nice amp, then maybe get an epiphone les paul or sg, depending on what fits your need. Just an idea. Since you like Amon Amarth, you might look at some of the epi or other brands explorers.
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if im not mistaken (and i might be). the only real difference is the body shape. im pretty sure both have the same pickups and everything, and sound realy close (really good). so i think the only thing you have to put thought into is "do i want a les paul or do i want an sg?"

Edit I was wrong disregard that.

A good amp? Look at smaller fenders. I have the show master combo amp it sounds amazing. And I paid 350 I think. U can most likely get one used for less than 300
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Awesome,
any recommendations an amps for £300 or under?
Thanks again


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Have you played an LPJ or an SGJ?

That's kinda the point finish-wise. They're supposed to feel rough.



I don't think that it is any companies goal to make a guitar feel "rough" though maybe I am wrong. I could understand worn in, or "antiqued," but the SGJ just felt bad.

I would think that a key selling point of a guitar would be that it was comfortable to play, when the neck feels like rubbing sand paper, I don't think that is counted as comfortable.

Not trying to pick a fight, I just think it is important that TS understands that the guitar may not be a good pick for these reasons.
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I don't think that it is any companies goal to make a guitar feel "rough" though maybe I am wrong. I could understand worn in, or "antiqued," but the SGJ just felt bad.

I would think that a key selling point of a guitar would be that it was comfortable to play, when the neck feels like rubbing sand paper, I don't think that is counted as comfortable.

Not trying to pick a fight, I just think it is important that TS understands that the guitar may not be a good pick for these reasons.

The point is that it feels rough to begin with, but the neck becomes more and more smooth with playing. It'll feel rough when it's new.
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I don't think that it is any companies goal to make a guitar feel "rough" though maybe I am wrong. I could understand worn in, or "antiqued," but the SGJ just felt bad.

I would think that a key selling point of a guitar would be that it was comfortable to play, when the neck feels like rubbing sand paper, I don't think that is counted as comfortable.

Not trying to pick a fight, I just think it is important that TS understands that the guitar may not be a good pick for these reasons.



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LP BFG I believe, they came out 4ish years ago IIRC

A friend bought a white LPJ just a week or two back. I walked in and saw it, and immediately picked it up as I've never seen this model before. It was finished very well and I couldn't find a single fault on any detail, except for how the fretboard was joined to the neck. The neck was marginally bigger than the fretboard and left a very slight ledge, only noticeable if you specifically looked for it and you could barely feel it with your fingernail. 50s style neck, mahogany body, maple cap, and what I'm assuming was a maple neck. The finish is the same thing as on the Faded series instruments. In other words, you can see and feel the grain on the mahogany back but the maple parts are a solid satin finish and you can see the grain in direct sunlight.

I would play one before you bought it blind though, the thicker neck isn't for everyone but it is very comfortable to play. It was a very well built guitar, I wouldn't pass on it simply because it a stripped down guitar. Something doesn't need to be flashy and decked out to be nice . I would like to add that it came with actual Kluson tuners, instead of Gibson Deluxe. Definitely a nice touch.


EDIT: Because it's relevant. All of us realized we brought a Gibson out that day so I took a quick pic of everything on the couch. My V, another friends Standard Gibson Explorer, and the LPJ

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