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SteveHOC
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Hey, folks. This is the first time I’ve consulted you good people about this sort of thing, so here goes:

Budget – Ballpark - $500, I can go slightly higher if necessary, but this is what I’m expecting to pay.

Favorite Artists – I’ll go with genres here. I like post-rock, ambient, indie, maybe a little of that post-hardcore stuff. Specific bands – Helen Earth Band, Pinback, At the Drive-In, Cloud Nothings, Sainthood Reps, Touche Amore, Moving Mountains, Pianos Become the Teeth, etc. Basically, I listen to a lot of different stuff in that spectrum.

Preferences – I like unique shapes, and I’m particularly drawn to offsets (two Jags and a Jazzy already). I like binding and blocks if possible, though not necessary. I’m not going down the Gibson route again, I’ve played too many that I haven’t connected with, and I’m leaving out Epiphone in this as well. No pointy metal guitars, and no Strat shapes please (some of you may have read this in that “ugly guitars” thread). I’ve kind of got a few narrowed down, which you can read about at the end.

Pickups – Passives and not single coil. I’ve got a Blackout Tele and a Jaguar Special, both equipped with single coils (I’m probably going to give the Jazzy to my dad once I’m done refinishing it). I’ve gone the P90 route before and didn’t find it too much fun when I played with any decent amount of gain – I don’t want to tack a noise suppressor on my chain if I can help it. P90’s aren’t totally out, as I’ll have a couple listed at the end.

New or Used – I’d prefer to go used unless I can grab a killer deal on something. There are so many great used but un-used guitars out there needing a home after all.

Location – I’m in the DFW area of Texas (US). I’m going to be moving up to Columbus, Ohio for a job pretty soon, so that will change in the next couple of weeks.

Current Gear – My sig will show the guitars I’ve got, but amp wise I play on a Vox AC15, an Orange Tiny Terror, and a Jet City 22H – all go through a vox 1x12, though I’ll be picking up an Avatar 2x12 loaded with Celestion Greenbacks when I get up to Ohio (don’t need to worry about hauling that across the country!)

Here’s what I’m looking at right now (mostly Reverend, thanks to DannyAlcatraz!)
Reverend Jetstream: http://www.reverendguitars.com/instrument/jetstream-hb/
Reverend Flatroc: http://www.reverendguitars.com/instrument/flatroc/
Reverend Warhawk HB: http://www.reverendguitars.com/instrument/warhawk-iii-hb/
Reverend Warhawk 390: http://www.reverendguitars.com/instrument/warhawk-iii-390/
Hanson Cigno: http://www.hansonguitars.com/cigno.htm
I’m pretty close to getting the Flatroc, I just wanted to get some input before I pulled the trigger (I’m waiting a few days to make sure it isn’t just a fleeting desire kind of thing).

Thanks guys,
Steve
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Reverends suck.



You might want to check out Grapevine Guitar Works. AFAIK, they don't have any used Revs, but you could get your hands on one of the ones they DO have- including a pair of Jetstreams and a 15th Anniversary Flatroc- to see how they feel.
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You might want to check out Grapevine Guitar Works. AFAIK, they don't have any used Revs, but you could get your hands on one of the ones they DO have- including a pair of Jetstreams and a 15th Anniversary Flatroc- to see how they feel.


Great minds think alike - that's exactly what I did (again, totally your fault ) I really liked the Flatroc (of course the finish was amazing too) and the Bigsby was fun. Gotta say though, the Jetstream was pretty incredible too. This was a while back, but yeah, if I could have, I'd have walked out with both guitars that day.
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You might check on the Club King RT: same basic body shape, but a semihollow build. Still has the Bigsby and the mini-HBs, too. Might be a better bargain than the Flatroc if you can find one, since its not a special edition.

Won't be metal flakey, though...
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Good call, I haven't really looked into that one yet. I checked out the Sensai HB, but that one didn't quite do it for me. Are you still digging your Flatroc after the honeymoon period?
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Maybe check out some jazz-boxes or 7 strings? I think you've pretty much narrowed it down to a non-Strat Fender copy. Jazz boxes could be a nice change of pace from the bright Fender guitars you have now. If you want to change it up. I realize you already have a semi-hollow but it might work for you
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Maybe check out some jazz-boxes or 7 strings? I think you've pretty much narrowed it down to a non-Strat Fender copy. Jazz boxes could be a nice change of pace from the bright Fender guitars you have now. If you want to change it up. I realize you already have a semi-hollow but it might work for you


Not bad thoughts at all. I'm not much into 7 strings, though the new PRS 7 string looked ok, I've honestly only played the Ibanez 7's and couldn't get down with them. I did have a G5120 on a couple different occasions, but I'm rough with my guitars when I gig them, and the fully hollow just made me a bit nervous. I had considered a Casino, though I would have to track down a MIK in decent shape, which can be a task in my range.
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I personally wouldn't get a PRS 7. The 25" scale just doesn't sit well with me for a 7 string. I have The new PRS SE Custom 24. Its a wonderful guitar and plays great, but that low B would be ridiculously muddy to me, in theory.

Iirc, LTD should have some 7's. Their necks are a bit meatier than Ibanez necks. Schecter has many 7's, and their necks are meatier than LTD's. (Those are the only big companies that I remember that make 7's)

If you could bump you budget up a touch, and go used, you might be able to snag a Godin 5th Avenue (Made in Canada). I'm actually GASing for one right now, but I can't decide which one. Ebay link: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR4.TRC1&_nkw=godin+5th+avenue&_sacat=0&_from=R40
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Oh wow, that black Godin with the P90's is beautiful! Have you had the chance to try one?

I actually had the PRS SE semi hollow and really liked it, I kind of wish I hadn't moved it, but I had to slim down the rig. I had considered another PRS, but I think the next PRS I get is going to be a McCarty Goldtop. That guitar is just, it's amazing.
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Good call, I haven't really looked into that one yet. I checked out the Sensai HB, but that one didn't quite do it for me. Are you still digging your Flatroc after the honeymoon period?

The honeymoon ain't over baby!

That guitar is stupid good for the money and simply gorgeous. Because of where it hangs in my bedroom, it is among the last things I see before Hypnos calls me to his realm...and that sparkle in the darkness is soooo soothing. Its like a guitar-shaped dreamcatcher.

As for 7 strings, i'm not big on 'em either. But if/when i decide to buy one, my personal preference-after seeing so many nice NGDs show up here in the past few months- would be to save up for a Carvin. If nothing else, they make GREAT wall art! Most of the people who buy them say they play well, too.

AWACS has some good points about the Godins. That's another brand I deeply respect, but as yet, I don't own one. Usually, I look at their "Strats", but their "LPs" are damn good too, and I've been looking at the other guitars in the line recently as well. Their Richmond line are all nice, but not what you're looking for, except maybe the Dorchester.

The Kingpins are really nice hollowbodies for the money, and if Godin were better known, you'd be seeing more people rave about them in comparison to the Artcores & Epiphones.

And the A6 Ultra is a nifty guitar as well: a single neck humbucker and a bridge transducer system lets you go from electric to acoustic tones with the flip of a switch.
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I have tried some Godin's, but that was like 3 or 4 months ago. However I live 8 hours away from any city guitar stores that I can't remember what they were like. I remember them being very acoustic-y in tone, which is logical.

Again for 7's, I was looking at an LTD MH-417. http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/esp-ltd-mh-417-7-string-electric-guitar

The neck was nice, and felt just a smidge too big for my smaller hands, but it might work for you. I would think you could get one used for your budget.
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Your Flatroc is gold if I remember correctly, right? The one I'm looking at is orange and lacks the Bigsby, which is totally ok with me. I really like the Revtrons and had considered the Buckshot, but I was concerned that I'd be spending too much time in the bridge, since that's the tone I'd be used to (similar to a Tele).

I wish I liked 7 strings, I just don't have much use for the lower string. I had a baritone Tele for a while, and it was a lovely guitar, I just didn't need the low end so much.

I forgot to mention a couple things. My sig doesn't reflect all of my gear, but the gear I currently have under the same roof. My parents are storing my LP and my '65 Mosrite Celebrity (a hollow body). Sorry about that, that may or may not be useful to know.
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I have tried some Godin's, but that was like 3 or 4 months ago. However I live 8 hours away from any city guitar stores that I can't remember what they were like. I remember them being very acoustic-y in tone, which is logical.

Again for 7's, I was looking at an LTD MH-417. http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/esp-ltd-mh-417-7-string-electric-guitar

The neck was nice, and felt just a smidge too big for my smaller hands, but it might work for you. I would think you could get one used for your budget.


I'll definitely look into the Godin line, that seems to be up my alley.
The LTD looks to have active pickups, which aren't really my cup of tea.

Thanks for those suggestions man, you're definitely giving me some ideas.

Edit: Has anyone played the 70's tribute SG? I played the Firebird and liked the mini humbuckers, and previously owned an SG (sold to fund another purchase) but never got to try the tribute SG. That may be in consideration too.
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dannyalcatraz
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Yeah, I got the gold sparkly 15th anniv. Flatroc. And yes, those RevTrons are all they say they are. Very nice retro-rock/rockabilly/psychobilly tones. That's why I pointed out that particular Club King- it and the Flatroc are the closest thing to the one I have. The CK gets you the Bigsby, the Flatroc has the solidbody but lacks the Bigsby.

EXCEPT!

They apparently did an exclusive with Wildwood guitars to offer a trans orange flamed top Flatroc w/Bigsby!

Edit: Hells Bells! I just looked, and they have a HUGE selection of Revs...many are unique to their store. If I'm reading this right, the Trans orange flame is considered to be a 15th Anniversary edition, and they still have a couple of the metal flakes in silver, red and in gold.

http://www.wildwoodguitars.com/electrics/reverend.htm
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That must be the one featured on their website! I have to say this, my wife's favorite color is orange, and when I showed her the orange Flatroc, she said "I love that one". Mind you, she doesn't "love" any of my guitars, so that was pretty cool.

I really liked the Silver Sparkle Flatroc at Grapevine Guitars, I just doubt my haggling skills these days and hate to pull that crap on smaller dealers.

Edit: Whoa, even that tobacco burst looks good with the Bigsby! I clearly need to get a high paying job, as I want to own one of each of these guitars.

Good call on that Dorchster by the way! It looks like a Ric mated with a Ventures style Mosrite. I should also say that I've got a wide spectrum for the strange guitars, I had an Eastwood Airline 3P DLX for a while and loved everything about it except the upper fret access.
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The metal flakes are limited editions- between 8-12 worldwide in each of the 4 colors. I doubt any haggling would be successful. The only reason I got any deal was the snafu that occurred when I ordered mine online...only to have the store staff sell it before realizing I had already paid. They threw in the hardshell case.

But it sounds like Orange would be the way to go!
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Yep, it's looking like the orange Flatroc is a serious possibility. It would be lightly used, and they're asking $500 for it, which I thought was a little steep, but Reverends seem to retain value relatively well so it's hard to gauge. I'd also have to get a case that fits, so I'd probably be looking at a Tele/Strat style case. I'm still considering a Warhawk HB though, or that 390. Choices!
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Which orange one? A standard or the one at Wildwood? I've lost track!
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Fernandes Ravelle? they look nice and get lots of praise. i dont have any dealers that i know of around here, but i trust the people who are on here and have them.

the shape may be too extreme for you, i don't like pointy guitars either, but the Fernandes classy even thouogh it has some points.
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I got my Ravelle back in October 2012, and I love it.



It is very much a descendant of the Les Paul- slabby curves with fat tones.

But its pickups may be hotter than the norm for the stuff he's talking about playing. It DOES, however, have the Sustainer, which could be very handy for some ambient tunes. OTOH, an eBow is cheaper.

The Fernandes Vertigo might appeal- kind of a "George Jetson" take on the Explorer body- but I would bet its pickups are also voiced more towards harder rock genres.

http://www.fernandesguitars.com/vertigo.html
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Just saying : I think all of Schecters 7-strings are superstrats...

EDIT : There are 3 non-metal shapes,
- The Chris Garza (which is a silverburst tele)
- The Solo 7 ATX ASBN (Black offset Les Paul type thing, in Black with yellow binding)
- The Hellraiser 7, which is an offset thing as well, but the shape is frankly indescribable...
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Digging ever deeper into my mental catalog of unusual guitars that aren't outrageous or über pricey, Licea is a one-man brand that uses bamboo for body woods. The is basically only one body style, but a variety of pickup options.
http://www.liceaguitars.com/guitars.htm

Phantom makes retro styled guitars here in the USA- the Teardrop is on my G.A.S. list. Most seem to be singlecoil equipped, however.
http://phantomguitars.com/teardrop.html

Steinbergers are always an option. I'm no fan of EMGs, but I'd live with them for a Steinberger,me specially one of their TransScale models- a built-in rolling capo lets you go from baritone to standard scale in seconds. (There are a few different body shapes, but all are headless.)
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/steinberger-synapse-st-2fpa-transcale-custom-electric-guitar
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Which orange one? A standard or the one at Wildwood? I've lost track!


I'd be getting the standard, so long as it doesn't sell in my waiting time.

The Ravelle isn't too bad, though perhaps not really my thing, as pointed out (and I've got the ebow covered too ). The Vertigo is being added to the possibilities, though, as you said, they're geared with hotter PUP's (some have actives).

That Licea is pretty sweet, kind of has that Italia thing going for it, and the bamboo sounds interesting.

I'll just throw it out there now: I won't be going the 7 string route. I have nothing but respect for those who play them, but I wouldn't have a need for that in my arsenal yet.

I had considered a Blacktop Jag, but felt like that was a bit too easy, too much in my comfort zone.
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Steve, these are probably outside your budget unless you find a used one or a good sale- more on that later- but they definitely have a quirkiness you'd probably enjoy:

http://www.fret-king.com/esprit5blacklabel.html
http://www.fret-king.com/venturasuper60hb3_spec.html

You might recall I scored a Fret-King Supra 60HB- their take on a fat strat- earlier this year. That thing is awesome...as it should be for a £800 guitar! At this point, I'm sold on F-K's quality.

But the main reason I bought it when I bought it was I found it on sale, new, for approximately half price. Limited time offer from Frets Guitar Centre. Even with import costs, it was under $700.

Bonus for you: the pickups are going to be more traditionally voiced- IOW, not as hot as the ones in the Fernandes guitars.

Just looking right now, they have one on sale for £495- that's about $754 with a straignt conversion. But that price includes certain UK taxes we wouldn't have to pay, but, of course, doesn't include shipping and import costs. It would probably be a few bucks cheaper.
http://www.fretsguitarcentre.co.uk/contents/en-uk/p1366_Fret-King_Esprit_5_-_Trans_Amber.html
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Danny,
I remember that though I don't normally like Strats, I thought yours was quite slick.

That Espirit 5 is awesome looking and definitely a guitar I'm looking into. Granted, I'd have to put away a little more money, but damn is that a cool guitar! I think you've found something to rival my fascination with Reverend.

Out of curiosity, do you have any experience with Hanson guitars?
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I've seen one or two, never played one.
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Ok, just wanted to see if you could comment on one. The first chance I would get to play on one would be a few weeks, but honestly, with the other guitars you've mentioned, I may wait that long and save up so that I'm not so financially limited (moving is expensive).
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I'm an Army brat- moving IS expensive. And time consuming. And distracting.

Note: it looks like that Trans-Amber one on Frets' website is some kind of limited or discontinued edition. On Fret-King's website, the Fret-King Esprit 5 is only shown in black.
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It seems Fret-King has added some axes to their lineup since I last looked at their website...I may have or revise my G.A.S.list! Besides the Supra 60SP and the Blue Label Venturas, they now list a Black Label Ventura with a bridge HB and a pair of mini-HBs...

http://www.fret-king.com/venturablacklabel.html

The only thing slowing me down is price...I ain't buying an assload of Fret-Kings unless they are on sale.
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^ Mine's the Flat Green one.

I'm confused- the flat green one what?
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Those Fret-Kings are pretty awesome looking guitars! I love the off-kilter designs (and the mini-humbuckers in middle and neck is a cool idea too).

I was really tempted by a 70's Firebird a little while back, but having owned a Firebird previously, I knew all too well how unwieldy I can be with them. I think the SG's have mostly gone out, but I had entertained the idea of a 70's SG in the burst (not silver burst).
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I love both of my Jags, I'm just not sure I want to make it a trio. The Jag Stang is interesting, I've never played one of those before. Are you a fan?
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The Reverse Firebird is one of the few "pointy" guitars I could see myself owning, but the Fernandes Vertigo and that Fret-King Esprits are contenders as well.

I have no real love for SGs myself, but I saw a high-end one last year with a deep, rich sparkle finish- a trio, actually, one in dark green, one in dark red, one in dark blue. Stunning. But again, for over $1800, it damn well better have some exemplary features!

Alas, I never figured out which model it was, so even if I saved up the $$$ to buy one, I couldn't. However, I did find the US Masters Hornet, which is every bit as stunning in its own way. I priced one out- their business model is like Carvin's- and with the fancy-schmancy maltese cross inlays and purple blackburst quilt, it was over $2300. It may be a while before I own one.
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How about the Omar Rodrigues Lopez sig? It does have single coils, but if you really liked it I'm sure you could swap out the lone single coil for a stacked humbucker. Its different anyways, though you'd possibly be leaning more on effects for your tone. If you can find it: http://www.zzounds.com/item--IBAORM1
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That Fernandes Vertigo has some Danelectro qualities to it. Kind of that pseudo-vintage look, which is executed very well. I think you've got a hell of a lot more "play" money than I do, Danny, and I'm jealous! I have only a vague interest in an SG, I really want to like them, and liked the one that I owned, but not enough to keep it.


I liked Omar with ATDI, but like you said, this one doesn't have a whole lot of versatility outside of the stomp boxes (of which I have many). I do like Ibanez though, and I bet this quality of that guitar is awesome. I had considered looking at some of the vintage Ibanez Artist series, but I'd have to find one locally for the right price, which can be tricky.

You guys are awesome, I really appreciate your thoughts on this!
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I think you've got a hell of a lot more "play" money than I do, Danny, and I'm jealous!


I'm single, no significant other, no kids: yes, I have more "play" money...which is why I sing da blues.

But most guitars just wind up on my super--epic G.A.S. list. My guesstimate is its over $100k in total cost- and going up all the time- I won't be getting most of them unless I win the Nigerian lottery...
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Why, yes, I am a lawyer- thanks for asking!


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It is very impotent to success a business.
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