#1
I've noticed the high prices for vintage strats and other guitars that are from earlier generations. Is there something special about those that are priced so high besides the age of the guitar?

Also, do you think that if you were to buy a new strat in 2013, it would be worth up to 10x the buying price in 30 years from now?
#2
There was probably a difference in quality or management though I've never really looked into it. Doesn't interest me, in fact I'd prefer new.

And no, 10x is ridiculous.
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#3
A lot of it is hype, though I do remember reading somewhere that older guitars sound punchier because the wood changes as it ages? I dunno, may be a bunch of bullshit.
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There was probably a difference in quality or management though I've never really looked into it. Doesn't interest me, in fact I'd prefer new.

And no, 10x is ridiculous.


maybe 3-4x is more reasonable.

i just remember seeing a torn up relic strat for like 10k on ebay a while ago.
#6
it is 2013 and people want guitars from the 1960s
in 2070 they are still going to want guitars from the 1960s, not your 2008 road worn strat
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maybe 3-4x is more reasonable.

i just remember seeing a torn up relic strat for like 10k on ebay a while ago.

I guess it's just similar to antiques. Strats from back then are rarer, and they're old, and they're from that mystical "golden age" of the beginnings of rock.

I highly, highly doubt they sound 10 times better than a normal good strat would.
#8
It's not purely the age, it's the rarity. Fender didn't make as many guitars in the 50s/60s as they do today, so in the future a 2013 strat won't be as rare as a vintage guitar is today.

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I've noticed the high prices for vintage strats and other guitars that are from earlier generations. Is there something special about those that are priced so high besides the age of the guitar?

Also, do you think that if you were to buy a new strat in 2013, it would be worth up to 10x the buying price in 30 years from now?

In early 1965, Leo Fender sold his companies to the Columbia Broadcasting System, or 'CBS'. CBS's "cost-cutting" strategy resulted in an instrument of less quality, which is why 'pre-CBS' Fenders are now worth quite a lot of money, because they were better guitars and are limited in their numbers, making them highly collectable.
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A lot of it is hype, though I do remember reading somewhere that older guitars sound punchier because the wood changes as it ages? I dunno, may be a bunch of bullshit.

They do sound ever so slightly different. They got a more.. I dunno, "worn in" sound I guess? It's barely noticeable, though, and not worth the $4000 they charge for them. Get an EQ pedal or some shit and your fine with any moderately priced "lower-tier" guitar. Epiphone's, Agile, etc. sound just fine.

Another reason for the expense is collection. Collectors items go up and down with demand, and an older guitar has more collection value than a 2013 one.

TL;DR people buy the expensive guitars for bragging rights.
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I guess it's just similar to antiques. Strats from back then are rarer, and they're old, and they're from that mystical "golden age" of the beginnings of rock.

I highly, highly doubt they sound 10 times better than a normal good strat would.


Diminishing returns. A USA standard doesn't sound 10 times better (if that was even quantifiable) than a Squier.
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#12
it's a collectors market, some old cars are worth a lot of money too but it doesn't make them better than all new cars.

Although I do own a 70's fender neck now and it feels so good to play, so bask in my mojo.
#13
So many factors play into this kind of thing, just like valuable coins. Consider the materials the guitar was made from, factories that might not exist anymore, companies that went bankrupt and don't exist anymore...

Also a lot depends on who is willing to buy. If you hate Les Paul's you probably won't ever pay $12,500 for a guitar of this make.
#14
Very unlikely. There's a billion Strats from this era. The nitro Strats of the 50's and 60's are rarer and are considered the best Strats.

Your best bet is a signature model or a really good AVRI. But its not a sure bet.

I think it'll be some smaller company who becomes huge.

Look at pedals like the Fulltones, Timmys etc.

Or just save up and buy a 69 Strat or a 59 LP.
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#15
In 30-years, inflation would pretty much double the monetary value of it. However, new guitars usually depreciate massviely as soon as you buy it so this probably leave it about the same.

The only way something is going to appreciate that much is if it is a limited edition, manufactured in a small quantity or gains massive popularity after the manufacturer poorly changes the design.
#16
I assume it's much like cars, they depreciate over time, then should there be a market for the older one, they will raise in value with age.
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I've noticed the high prices for vintage strats and other guitars that are from earlier generations. Is there something special about those that are priced so high besides the age of the guitar?
Yes. The woods and some of the parts used aren't available now; even the most expensive 'reissues' are slightly different from the originals.

Plus, nothing is worth more to a collector than rarity and history. There will never be another Les Paul made in 1959. 1959 doesn't exist any more. Gibson can make Les Pauls and call them a 1959 model, but they're not actually from 1959. An actual 1959 Les Paul will always be worth vastly, vastly more.

The only guitars of this age that will increase in value are the very highest-quality and limited production guitars. Things like the Fender Custom Shop Limited Editions, anniversary PRS '10 Tops', etc.

A Fender American Standard Stratocaster made in 2013 is never going to be worth a fraction of what a basic Strat from the 50s and 60s is worth. There are more guitars made in a month now than were made in a year in the 50s.
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#18
the reason the old strats and lp's are so expensive is because they were the first models of what would grow to be 2 of the most iconic guitars of all time
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#19
Price is the ratio between supply and demand. Older guitars are in shorter supply, but the other half of that is demand. If nobody wants it then it's not worth anything. Some guitars will appreciate and some won't. Fashions change too. While it seems extremely unlikely, it's theoretically possible that Fenders, for example, will suddenly go out of fashion and no one will want them. The opposite can also happen. When it comes to markets and prices there is always uncertainty. You can't say for sure that any given guitar will appreciate. A high price means there is limited supply and lots of people want it.
#20
Quite a few factors go into the high prices of vintage guitars, but most is up to chance. No one knew that guitars from back then were going to be immensely valuable now (for whatever reasons). That contributes to their rarity since most were just treated like any old guitar.
What you don't want to do is to think that will happen again, because that is the wrong way of looking at things. This mentality happened in the comics industry and it made a bubble that eventually burst. Most investments lose money over time. Guitars are one of them.
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#21
I have a model of Taylor acoustic that they don't make anymore from 2001. I've been told that it will appreciate in value as long as I keep it in good condition.
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#23
For a modern guitar, it would have to be a limited run or, rare finish to gain any kind of value over the retail price. Even then it's not going to go super high. Plus you have to find someone who really wants it, to get the $ you want.

My les Paul is a good example of this. It is a 1993 Classic Goldtop. When I bought it new the retail was $2000.00 (I got a better deal though). The back, sides and neck are all gold instead of plain wood. According to Gibson, they only did this for 1993, and only on the Classics. The last time I checked the blue book, about 4-5 years ago, it was listed at $2500.00. For a mint condition. A little disappointing after babying it all those years. It's about to turn 20 next month. I will have to recheck, but I don't think the value has gone up all that much from there.
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#24
A guitar from this age right now will probably not be worth anything in the future. Who is going to want a guitar from the time period when the economy was so bad most major manufacturers had to cut all sorts of corners to stay afloat?
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#25
You hear vintage guitar and think old Les Pauls and Fenders, maybe the pre-lawsuit ibanez guitars, old epiphones and Gretsch, but do you think they were the only manufacturers in the world?

There are plenty of old guitars that are cheap as shit. They're just not remembered and so you draw a correlation between the old guitars that you know of and their high price.

The price of an old guitar is a combination of quality, rarity, cultural significance and the individual buyer's sentimentality.
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#26
I see old shitty guitars from the 60s for $50-$100 all the time.
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