Page 1 of 2
bAngiel01
Registered User
Join date: Feb 2011
1,225 IQ
#1
Someone recently asked If I'd be willing to trade my Peavey Vypyr Tube 60 for his Line 6 Vetta II combo. I'm not really sure how these amps compare, and digging up good sound clips for the Vetta has proven to be very difficult.

Can anyone offer any insight as to whether or not this trade is even worth considering?

Thanks!
PRS SE CU22 | PRS SE CU24 | Takamine EG463SC
Mesa/Boogie Dual Rectifier Roadster | Rectifier 212
Pitchblack+ | Bad Monkey | FAB Chorus | NOVA Delay
losing battle
UG's Trollestia
Join date: Feb 2007
2,508 IQ
#2
Does the trader have the floorboard? Like the floorboards for the vyper it adds a lot of flexibility to the amp. I haven't played a vetta but I know its something to be concidered.
Quote by joshua garcia
I was incredibly drunk and only really remember writing a fanfic where ESP was getting porked by a pony.

Quote by guitar0player
I'd honestly fap to anything with a set of genitals as long as I find it aesthetically appealing.
bAngiel01
Registered User
Join date: Feb 2011
1,225 IQ
#3
No, he does not have the floorboard. I have the Sanpera II, but I don't use it often if at all, so it's not too big of a deal. Thanks!
PRS SE CU22 | PRS SE CU24 | Takamine EG463SC
Mesa/Boogie Dual Rectifier Roadster | Rectifier 212
Pitchblack+ | Bad Monkey | FAB Chorus | NOVA Delay
MatrixClaw
UG God
Join date: Nov 2006
10,723 IQ
#4
The Vetta is worth more, but having owned 2 Vettas in the past, I'd probably take the Vypyr over it. Don't get me wrong, the Vetta sounds nice, but there's a reason it has such a high wattage power amp... the amp sounds great in the room but as soon as you put it into a band mix, it gets drowned out, because it has a severe lack of mids, even with the mids cranked. The Vypyr just sounds more alive to me and realistic

But... You could probably trade and if you end up not liking it, sell it for more than your Vypyr was worth, and buy another
Quote by Dave_Mc
I've had tube amps for a while now, but never actually had any go down on me
Quote by jj1565
maybe you're not saying the right things? an amp likes to know you care.





www.SanctityStudios.com
Robbgnarly
Tab Contributor
Join date: Feb 2011
1,177 IQ
#5
I like the Vetta, and would do the trade just because the Vetta is worth more

I do agree that most Line 6 amps have a very bad problem cutting through a mix. Even my Spider Valve had a hard time, so this is something to consider
2002 PRS CE22
2013 G&L ASAT Deluxe
2009 Epiphone G-400 (SH-4)
Marshall JCM2000 DSL100
Krank 1980 Jr 20watt
Krank Rev 4x12 (eminence V12)
GFS Greenie/Digitech Bad Monkey
Morley Bad Horsie 2
MXR Smart Gate
Dimarzio45
Chookie's Cookie
Join date: Jan 2013
763 IQ
#6
I'd take the Vetta II over the Vyper any day. I love my Vetta II...tried the Vyper and wasn't too impressed.
AJScott
Registered User
Join date: Nov 2010
1,383 IQ
#7
Quote by bAngiel01
Someone recently asked If I'd be willing to trade my Peavey Vypyr Tube 60 for his Line 6 Vetta II combo. I'm not really sure how these amps compare, and digging up good sound clips for the Vetta has proven to be very difficult.

Can anyone offer any insight as to whether or not this trade is even worth considering?

Thanks!



I have a Vetta 2 HD.

Do it.

It's amazing. Even if you don't like it you could sell it and buy a fair few Vypyrs. Check it's all working cause it sounds too good to be true.
Dimarzio45
Chookie's Cookie
Join date: Jan 2013
763 IQ
#8
Quote by MatrixClaw
The Vetta is worth more, but having owned 2 Vettas in the past, I'd probably take the Vypyr over it. Don't get me wrong, the Vetta sounds nice, but there's a reason it has such a high wattage power amp... the amp sounds great in the room but as soon as you put it into a band mix, it gets drowned out, because it has a severe lack of mids, even with the mids cranked. The Vypyr just sounds more alive to me and realistic

But... You could probably trade and if you end up not liking it, sell it for more than your Vypyr was worth, and buy another

Couldn't that issue be worked out with an EQ rackmount or EQ pedal?
bAngiel01
Registered User
Join date: Feb 2011
1,225 IQ
#9
Thanks for all the responses! When I go to look at it, I will definitely make sure it's in full working order and whatnot. I've been told that it is, but I'll check myself.

The issues with the mids has piqued my interest. I don't want to get something that won't work in a live situations. Otherwise, I feel like I'm getting a lot of yes's. I might just do it!
PRS SE CU22 | PRS SE CU24 | Takamine EG463SC
Mesa/Boogie Dual Rectifier Roadster | Rectifier 212
Pitchblack+ | Bad Monkey | FAB Chorus | NOVA Delay
AJScott
Registered User
Join date: Nov 2010
1,383 IQ
#10
Quote by bAngiel01
Thanks for all the responses! When I go to look at it, I will definitely make sure it's in full working order and whatnot. I've been told that it is, but I'll check myself.

The issues with the mids has piqued my interest. I don't want to get something that won't work in a live situations. Otherwise, I feel like I'm getting a lot of yes's. I might just do it!



The Vetta takes a lot of tweaking. Like a lot. It's not a NORMAL amp by any means. You genuinely have to spend weeks to find your sound. I gig regularly with mine and I cut through the mix well, I have a very mid heavy sound (metalcore chugalug) and it sounds far better than the other guitarists Bugera 6262
Offworld92
One among the fence.
Join date: Nov 2009
7,563 IQ
#11
That's a tough question, and one I've been debating myself for a very long time.

On one hand, the Vypyr Tube sounds better. Regardless of how well it models what it's trying to model - without considering the concept of modeling, it just sounds good, and it sounds more lively and tube-like (well, it IS tube after all...) than the Vetta. The Vetta can very easily do the huge SS sound, since, well it is a huge SS. It can't pull off organic tube tones very well. That may be a pro or a con, just depends on what you're looking for tonally.

On the other hand, the Vetta II has a professional feature set. It allows very deep editing, and it isn't restricted, whereas the WYSIWYG nature of the Vypyr is extremely restricted.

Better of both worlds would be something like a POD HD preamp with a tube poweramp. But even that may not be as good as the Vypyr Tube is, due to the sheer nature of the Vypyr, the reason WHY it sounds so good compared to any other modeler (Fractal/Kemper notwithstanding): analog distortion. Line 6 uses digital modeling, and to date it will always lack that little something.


As for live use, there was a band I was good friends with and saw many, many times, one of their guitarist had an HD147, and he had trouble cutting through against the other guitarist's Marshall AVT. So that may way something.
Spin 'round carousel when your horse isn't screwed in.

My band:
Fractured Instinct
(For fans of Death/Groove/Prog Metal)

Ibanez RGA42E
Ibanez S420
LTD H-301
Ibanez RG520
Peavey Predator USA
Douglas Grendel 725
Line 6 Pod HD500X
Last edited by Offworld92 at Apr 20, 2013,
AJScott
Registered User
Join date: Nov 2010
1,383 IQ
#12
Quote by Offworld92
That's a tough question, and one I've been debating myself for a very long time.

On one hand, the Vypyr Tube sounds better. Regardless of how well it models what it's trying to model - without considering the concept of modeling, it just sounds good, and it sounds more lively and tube-like (well, it IS tube after all...) than the Vetta.



Having played both amps. One being £1400, I have to say you're wrong. Plenty of bands have used Vettas in the past, live and in the studio. Meshuggah and the new Guns n Roses spring to mind straight away.

The vetta sounds sick.
Offworld92
One among the fence.
Join date: Nov 2009
7,563 IQ
#13
I'm not trying to say they sound bad. They don't, at all. I just meant that the Vypyrs sound more organic and dynamic.
Spin 'round carousel when your horse isn't screwed in.

My band:
Fractured Instinct
(For fans of Death/Groove/Prog Metal)

Ibanez RGA42E
Ibanez S420
LTD H-301
Ibanez RG520
Peavey Predator USA
Douglas Grendel 725
Line 6 Pod HD500X
Dimarzio45
Chookie's Cookie
Join date: Jan 2013
763 IQ
#14
Quote by Offworld92
Better of both worlds would be something like a POD HD preamp with a tube poweramp. But even that may not be as good as the Vypyr Tube is, due to the sheer nature of the Vypyr, the reason WHY it sounds so good compared to any other modeler (Fractal/Kemper notwithstanding): analog distortion. Line 6 uses digital modeling, and to date it will always lack that little something.


As for live use, there was a band I was good friends with and saw many, many times, one of their guitarist had an HD147, and he had trouble cutting through against the other guitarist's Marshall AVT. So that may way something.

Th HD147 isn't a Vetta II. Also, the Vetta II is a pretty advanced version of the POD HD.
Dimarzio45
Chookie's Cookie
Join date: Jan 2013
763 IQ
#15
Quote by Offworld92
I'm not trying to say they sound bad. They don't, at all. I just meant that the Vypyrs sound more organic and dynamic.

You're probably right about that. I think that's the big difference between tube amps and solid states. However, some the settings on the Vetta do have a pretty tubey sound.

AJScott- Meshuggah don't use Vetta anymore. They went the Fractal route.
Offworld92
One among the fence.
Join date: Nov 2009
7,563 IQ
#16
No, it's not, but it's (AFAIK) the most similar amp to the Vetta. I don't know a ton about them, but considering they are both 300W, I'd assume they both have the same poweramp.

And also AFAIK, the Vetta II is XT era modeling. The POD HD should be more advanced.
Spin 'round carousel when your horse isn't screwed in.

My band:
Fractured Instinct
(For fans of Death/Groove/Prog Metal)

Ibanez RGA42E
Ibanez S420
LTD H-301
Ibanez RG520
Peavey Predator USA
Douglas Grendel 725
Line 6 Pod HD500X
dementiacaptain
Chiefin' Son
Join date: Feb 2010
2,227 IQ
#17
Yeah, the Vetta II is XT modeling, which still sounds good, but not as good as the HD, some would argue (like me).

I think part of the appeal of the Vypyr is that it is simpler to use. Obviously one of the points of the Vetta is customizable settings with very specific parameters, but I think something can be said for simplicity. I also think that as others have said, the Vypyr has a more organic sound, and would be better for someone who is aiming at emulating a good tube amp. The Vetta II probably had better effects, but I think the power section of the Vypyr makes it a better gigging amp.
I'm just a kickin' and a gougin' in the mud and the blood and the beer.
Robbgnarly
Tab Contributor
Join date: Feb 2011
1,177 IQ
#18
Quote by Dimarzio45
Th HD147 isn't a Vetta II. Also, the Vetta II is a pretty advanced version of the POD HD.

The HD 147 is using all the Vetta sims, but is geared twards hi-gain. The Vetta is the all rounder, The Duoverb is the clan mid-gain version and the HD 147 is the hi-gain one.

The Vetta software is older than the POD HD, I don't know where you got your info from.

I thought the Vetta II was X3 modeling and Vetta I was XT
2002 PRS CE22
2013 G&L ASAT Deluxe
2009 Epiphone G-400 (SH-4)
Marshall JCM2000 DSL100
Krank 1980 Jr 20watt
Krank Rev 4x12 (eminence V12)
GFS Greenie/Digitech Bad Monkey
Morley Bad Horsie 2
MXR Smart Gate
dementiacaptain
Chiefin' Son
Join date: Feb 2010
2,227 IQ
#19
Quote by Robbgnarly
The HD 147 is using all the Vetta sims, but is geared twards hi-gain. The Vetta is the all rounder, The Duoverb is the clan mid-gain version and the HD 147 is the hi-gain one.

The Vetta software is older than the POD HD, I don't know where you got your info from.

I thought the Vetta II was X3 modeling and Vetta I was XT


You are probably right about the last part, whichever one is newer, I thought the XT was newer, my bad.
I'm just a kickin' and a gougin' in the mud and the blood and the beer.
MatrixClaw
UG God
Join date: Nov 2006
10,723 IQ
#20
Vetta I and II can both run the same firmware. The number is irrelevant, it's just which one you like the looks of better.

HD147 is just the high gain models of the Vetta, plus some clean ones. If you have a Vetta, you have an HD147. The models are based off the POD XT/X3 series of models, they are not the POD HD models.

Quote by Dimarzio45
Couldn't that issue be worked out with an EQ rackmount or EQ pedal?

I guess, but then you're boosting frequencies that weren't really there in the first place. That's like buying a MG and then using an external EQ to try and make it sound better. It's hard to put into something what it doesn't already have.
Quote by Dave_Mc
I've had tube amps for a while now, but never actually had any go down on me
Quote by jj1565
maybe you're not saying the right things? an amp likes to know you care.





www.SanctityStudios.com
Dimarzio45
Chookie's Cookie
Join date: Jan 2013
763 IQ
#21
Quote by MatrixClaw
I guess, but then you're boosting frequencies that weren't really there in the first place. That's like buying a MG and then using an external EQ to try and make it sound better. It's hard to put into something what it doesn't already have.
Yeah I was thinking the same thing.
Cathbard
Grumpy Old Tech
Join date: Oct 2009
2,565 IQ
#22
Gilchrist custom
Yamaha SBG500
Telecasters
Randall RM100 & RM20
Marshall JTM45 clone
Marshall JCM900 4102 (modded)
Marshall 18W clone
Fender 5F1 Champ clone
Atomic Amplifire
Marshall 1960A
Boss GT-100


Cathbard Amplification
My band
MatrixClaw
UG God
Join date: Nov 2006
10,723 IQ
#23
Quote by Cathbard

Quote by Dave_Mc
I've had tube amps for a while now, but never actually had any go down on me
Quote by jj1565
maybe you're not saying the right things? an amp likes to know you care.





www.SanctityStudios.com
bAngiel01
Registered User
Join date: Feb 2011
1,225 IQ
#24
Quote by Cathbard
*Batman*


Mesa/Boogie Dual Rectifier Roadster. It has tubes. And I have it.

Seriously, though, the tube amp is covered, and I absolutely love my Roadster. I've used the Vypyr in my dorm, and I was just wondering if there was anything else out there like the Vypyr or different/better.

So let me try to get some of this info straight:
-The HD147 is the high gain portion of the Vetta
-The Vetta and Vetta II are essentially the same, save for the Variax input and the digital out

It seems that it's still a tossup as to which is better, though, which leaves me a bit hesitant. I'll have to give this some thought. Thanks, everyone.
PRS SE CU22 | PRS SE CU24 | Takamine EG463SC
Mesa/Boogie Dual Rectifier Roadster | Rectifier 212
Pitchblack+ | Bad Monkey | FAB Chorus | NOVA Delay
dementiacaptain
Chiefin' Son
Join date: Feb 2010
2,227 IQ
#25
Ultimately, I think that the Vetta sounds cool and I would love to have one, but it doesn't sound like a tube amp, it sounds like a Vetta. Not a bad thing, it does it's own thing and I think it's a neat sound.

I think that if you ignore the fact that the Vetta is "modeled" after other amps and just judge the sounds it makes based on their own merit, you'll find that the digital sound is kind of cool.

If you want something different and like to tweak, go for it.
I'm just a kickin' and a gougin' in the mud and the blood and the beer.
Robbgnarly
Tab Contributor
Join date: Feb 2011
1,177 IQ
#26
Quote by bAngiel01
Mesa/Boogie Dual Rectifier Roadster. It has tubes. And I have it.

Seriously, though, the tube amp is covered, and I absolutely love my Roadster. I've used the Vypyr in my dorm, and I was just wondering if there was anything else out there like the Vypyr or different/better.

So let me try to get some of this info straight:
-The HD147 is the high gain portion of the Vetta
-The Vetta and Vetta II are essentially the same, save for the Variax input and the digital out

It seems that it's still a tossup as to which is better, though, which leaves me a bit hesitant. I'll have to give this some thought. Thanks, everyone.

No the Vetta and Vetta II are different, but the Vetta I has the ability to be updated with the Vetta II firmware. They do have some of the same patches, but the Vetta II patches have been tweeked more (there may be a few missing and some added I really don't know).
Both amps are pretty nice , I have played a Vetta several times and it does sound nice.
2002 PRS CE22
2013 G&L ASAT Deluxe
2009 Epiphone G-400 (SH-4)
Marshall JCM2000 DSL100
Krank 1980 Jr 20watt
Krank Rev 4x12 (eminence V12)
GFS Greenie/Digitech Bad Monkey
Morley Bad Horsie 2
MXR Smart Gate
Last edited by Robbgnarly at Apr 21, 2013,
bAngiel01
Registered User
Join date: Feb 2011
1,225 IQ
#27
**Update**

The trade fell through because I took too long to make a decision

Anyway, I found a fully-operational Vetta II 2x12 combo at a GC in South Carolina for $250, so I ordered it. I figured there's little risk involved since I can return within 60 days of the purchase date. It should be waiting for me when I get home next Monday for my two week summer break.

This will give me some time to A-B the Vypyr and Vetta and see which one stays, and which goes.

Thanks, everyone, for your help. I really appreciate it. I'll be back to let you all know what the final decision is!
PRS SE CU22 | PRS SE CU24 | Takamine EG463SC
Mesa/Boogie Dual Rectifier Roadster | Rectifier 212
Pitchblack+ | Bad Monkey | FAB Chorus | NOVA Delay
dementiacaptain
Chiefin' Son
Join date: Feb 2010
2,227 IQ
#28
Cool! I am definitely interested in how they compare right next to each other. Looking forward to your report!
I'm just a kickin' and a gougin' in the mud and the blood and the beer.
Offworld92
One among the fence.
Join date: Nov 2009
7,563 IQ
#30
Quote by bAngiel01
**Update**

The trade fell through because I took too long to make a decision

Anyway, I found a fully-operational Vetta II 2x12 combo at a GC in South Carolina for $250, so I ordered it. I figured there's little risk involved since I can return within 60 days of the purchase date. It should be waiting for me when I get home next Monday for my two week summer break.

This will give me some time to A-B the Vypyr and Vetta and see which one stays, and which goes.

Thanks, everyone, for your help. I really appreciate it. I'll be back to let you all know what the final decision is!


That's insane. Are you sure it wasn't just the 212 extension cab?
Spin 'round carousel when your horse isn't screwed in.

My band:
Fractured Instinct
(For fans of Death/Groove/Prog Metal)

Ibanez RGA42E
Ibanez S420
LTD H-301
Ibanez RG520
Peavey Predator USA
Douglas Grendel 725
Line 6 Pod HD500X
trashedlostfdup
diet coke fiend.
Join date: Apr 2010
13,435 IQ
#31
i had a duoverb for a while, it never sounded good. i bought it blind for like $200 quite a while ago, the cleans were sterile, the midgain was lifeless and the high gain was painful.

i could make it work to get by, but i wasn't happy with it. it took me two years to get somebody to buy/trade for it (while it was for sale i was still trying to like it). i ended up with a Trace Elliot Speed Twin, and i got the better end.

vetta's ARE cool, just IMO not as good tonally as other options.
WTLT 2014 GG&A

Quote by andersondb7
alright "king of the guitar forum"


Quote by trashedlostfdup
nope i am "GOD of the guitar forum" i think that fits me better.


Quote by andersondb7
youre just being a jerk man.
Arby911
Finding the Pattern
Join date: Jul 2010
830 IQ
#32
Quote by Offworld92
That's insane. Are you sure it wasn't just the 212 extension cab?


Nah, there's another one in the GC nearest me for $299...
“Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge.”
Charles Darwin
bAngiel01
Registered User
Join date: Feb 2011
1,225 IQ
#33


You know, I didn't think about the possibility of it being an extension cab. The guy I talked to on the phone referred to it as an amp, and I made it clear that I was interested in an amp, not a cab, and he never corrected me. To be honest, it totally slipped my mind to confirm that it was an amp and not a cab, mostly because I didn't know that a 212 Vetta extension cab existed until this morning.

So who knows? I may be in for an unpleasant surprise when it arrives.
PRS SE CU22 | PRS SE CU24 | Takamine EG463SC
Mesa/Boogie Dual Rectifier Roadster | Rectifier 212
Pitchblack+ | Bad Monkey | FAB Chorus | NOVA Delay
bAngiel01
Registered User
Join date: Feb 2011
1,225 IQ
#34
**Update, Part 2**

The Vetta II arrived at home today. I'm away at University until next Monday, so I won't get to touch it until then. My family opened up the box, and it is the amp, not the cabinet, so happiness abounds.

I'm really looking forward to getting to mess around with it over my two-week summer break. I'll put it through its paces and compare it to the Vypyr. Unfortunately, I don't really have a good way to get any recordings, but I'll do my best to give a good comparison.
PRS SE CU22 | PRS SE CU24 | Takamine EG463SC
Mesa/Boogie Dual Rectifier Roadster | Rectifier 212
Pitchblack+ | Bad Monkey | FAB Chorus | NOVA Delay
Offworld92
One among the fence.
Join date: Nov 2009
7,563 IQ
#35
Congrats, that's a hell of a lot of amp for that price. I'd be tempted to just keep both at that cost.

Spin 'round carousel when your horse isn't screwed in.

My band:
Fractured Instinct
(For fans of Death/Groove/Prog Metal)

Ibanez RGA42E
Ibanez S420
LTD H-301
Ibanez RG520
Peavey Predator USA
Douglas Grendel 725
Line 6 Pod HD500X
MrFlibble
Puts a bangin' donk on it
Join date: Apr 2008
4,127 IQ
#36
Good job getting one at that price. I love the Vetta II, but I've never found one in good condition at a decent price. Every time I get to play with one I come away smiling, but people are starting to realise they've got some value in 'em and prices just keep rising. Picked up an HD147 myself instead, love it. I wish Line 6 would bring back the Flextone/HD147/Vetta line. That was back when they were just trying to make a good sound rather than impersonating other peoples' amps. The original tones in those amps are great and now they've been scrapped entirely. I keep looking at the DT amps and HD floor units, but until they bring back Spinal Puppet, I ain't bothering.

Tip when you're comparing the Vetta and Vypyr, or just dialing in tones with the Vetta at all, is take your time. The Vypyr is intended to give you a relatively fast interface whilst still offering more variety. The Vetta is intended to offer the most variety but this comes at the cost of very unintuitive controls. Most of the best tones you'll get out of a Vetta will be dual amp tones, which you can't set up quickly. The presets in the Vetta are terrible, intended solely to show off different combinatios of features. It can take a while to sort out what it is exactly is best for you.
To use myself as an example, every time I use a Vetta I set up a dual amp tone, with one Spinal Puppet model (high bass and mids, lower treble) and one Triple Rectifier model (low bass, medium mids, higher treble). There's no preset that comes like that. With my own HD147 I almost always use the Spinal Puppet tone, and that's not used in any of the HD147's presets at all.

Also bear in mind that the Vetta's tones assume you are using V30 speakers. If you use anything else then things won't quite match up to how they may look on the screen.
Similarly, and this ties in to all the people saying they've heard Vettas and HD147s not cutting through well, you do have to dial in more mids than you would with any other amp. These amps were designed to be the kings of modelling, so they are inherently completely flat in response. If you'd put your mids at 5/10 on another amp, you'll want to put it on 7.5/10 on the Vetta. Personally, I rarely run my HD147 with the mids any lower than 7.


Quote by Dimarzio45
Also, the Vetta II is a pretty advanced version of the POD HD.
No it's not. It's a common assumption that the Flextone, HD147 and Vetta use the same sounds as POD units, but their versions are actually different. For example, the JCM2000 model used by PODs is very high-gain, while the JCM2000 model in the three amps has considerably low gain. How they handle cab emulation is also very different; with PODs it is a feature mostly just used to make more realistic-sounding recordings, whereas with the amps it is used basically as an EQ preset.

Quote by MatrixClaw


HD147 is just the high gain models of the Vetta, plus some clean ones. If you have a Vetta, you have an HD147. The models are based off the POD XT/X3 series of models, they are not the POD HD models.
Wrong on the first part. The HD147 is slightly closer to the Vypyr's 'WYSIWYG' style of operation and the order of the effects, noise gate, compressor and cab emulation are unique, orientated towards typical metal tones. The same goes for the Flextone. Though the Flextone, HD147 and Vetta are all the same family, there are a few things unique to each one, based on their intended uses.
Mostly right on the second part, with some exceptions. Some of the models in the amps are even older than that and some are uniquely updated. Again, things are tailored for the amps' intended uses.
Yes, I know everything. No, I can't play worth a damn.
A child is trafficked and sold for sex slavery every 30 seconds. Support Love146.
Tempoe
. . . ∆ . . .
Join date: Oct 2008
2,511 IQ
#37
That's a great deal!!! I think it will be good, nice to record with for sure
MatrixClaw
UG God
Join date: Nov 2006
10,723 IQ
#38
Quote by MrFlibble
Wrong on the first part. The HD147 is slightly closer to the Vypyr's 'WYSIWYG' style of operation and the order of the effects, noise gate, compressor and cab emulation are unique, orientated towards typical metal tones. The same goes for the Flextone. Though the Flextone, HD147 and Vetta are all the same family, there are a few things unique to each one, based on their intended uses.
Mostly right on the second part, with some exceptions. Some of the models in the amps are even older than that and some are uniquely updated. Again, things are tailored for the amps' intended uses.


Do you have any source that the models are different from the Vetta? There's even claims in this thread that the Vetta 1 isn't the same as the 2 when updated to the same firmware (besides the obvious hardware differences on the digital card), but I have owned all 3, including the combo AND head versions of the Vettas, and they all sound the same

The draw of the HD147 wasn't that it sounded different on high gain, it was that it was a simple version of the Vetta that high gain players. People who didn't need all the other amps and bells and whistles of the Vetta could buy the features they'd use at a reduced price. Funny now though, because the HD147 seems to have a much higher resale value (I assume because there's not as many out there...?), when I had my Vettas, I don't think I paid over $350 for any of them, but HD147s were going for $6-700. Always found that odd - Though... admittedly I'd pay a bit more for one just cause it looks way more cool

The big downfall for the Vettas now is that there's just so many other better options out there for modeling. They were cool in their day, but even Line 6's POD HD models FAR surpass the Vettas in tone at this point. I suppose, there's always someone who might actually be going for that Vetta tone, but I personally will never own one again - Even though I did VERY well on my trades from them
Quote by Dave_Mc
I've had tube amps for a while now, but never actually had any go down on me
Quote by jj1565
maybe you're not saying the right things? an amp likes to know you care.





www.SanctityStudios.com
dlowe102
Registered User
Join date: Feb 2010
540 IQ
#39
I found MY sound on a flextone3 xl on the brit800 channel. I call it a channel because it has a killer tone and i dont care if it models a jcm800 acurately or not i dig the flextone 3's brit800 channel. Ive yet found the exact tone from anything else. I have a hd500 and it sounds way different on the jcm800 model it sounds more like a real jcm800 BUT i prefer the brit800 on the flextone. The flextones version is alot fuller and gainier with alot of thump on palm mutes wich i think isnt really a jcm800's type sound?
bAngiel01
Registered User
Join date: Feb 2011
1,225 IQ
#40
**Update 3**

I got home today from University and finally had a chance to play with the Vetta II.

First Impressions:
  • It is relatively easy to use despite its appearance and novel of a manual. The buttons are clear, and the displays show you everything you need to know.
  • The cleans are fantastic--better than the Vypyr's for sure.
  • The dirty amp models are great. Mid-gain on the Vetta trumps the Vypyr, but I'm still going back and forth between the Vetta and the Vypyr to compare high-gain options.
  • The digital nature of this amp is apparent. It lacks the tube warmth for obvious reasons, but it's not bad by any stretch.
  • The best feature I've found so far is the ability to route two different amps to the two speakers. I really like the Treadplate (Dual Recto) and the Mississippi Criminal (5150) blended together. It makes most anything sound better. For example, I had trouble dialing in a to-die-for, so to speak, tone for the Treadplate. I got close to a great sound, then I blended it with the Criminal. Instant success.
  • The effects are adundant and sound awesome. It's easy to choose the effect, edit it, place it, etc.
  • I've found that I prefer to drive the amp models with the built-in Screamer OD pedal. It tightens things up and saturates the sound better.
  • The controls are a but touchy, but that's ultimately a nonissue
  • Some of the amp models were disappointing. I expected more out of the California Crunch (Mark II), but I found it lacking.
  • The global High and Low knobs are great when dealing with various volume levels. Need to turn it up? Just pull back on the global High setting, and vice versa.


That's about it for now. I can see some of the shortcomings of the Vetta, but overall, I'm very happy with it. I'll keep everyone posted as I continue comparing things and whatnot.
PRS SE CU22 | PRS SE CU24 | Takamine EG463SC
Mesa/Boogie Dual Rectifier Roadster | Rectifier 212
Pitchblack+ | Bad Monkey | FAB Chorus | NOVA Delay