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I don't know how to better word this.
In one of the threads we were talking about moral relativism vs. objective morality and we talk a lot about psychopaths and a lot about politics and religion and shit. This led me to start thinking about peoples minds. And I started developing some questions about it.

At school today some guy was saying he is a nihilist and arguing with some girl about why he is a nihilist and all that shit. That didn't make any sense to me though. I thought to myself "you are not a true nihilist; a true nihilist would have no interest in trying to prove their beliefs to another or try to convert another to their beliefs, they would have no reason to because the core value of that belief is that nothing matters". Thus I came to the conclusion that only a true apathetic personality disorder or a psychopath could be a nihilist, because only that type of mind would truly be able to align itself with the nihilistic principles.

That led me to existentialism; if the core belief of existentialism is that one's value is based off their actions, then it only makes sense for an individual who is godless to be an existentialist; otherwise our value would be based off of God's plan.

So my mind is all jumbled up and all that right now. I want to know how the minds way of thinking is related to the minds moral system/conscience. I don't even know if that is the question I want to ask. Im confused
#2
Sounds like he just wants the title of being a nihilist rather than actually believing in that shit.
#3
Pit pseudo-intellectuals entering in 3...2....1....

Also, that nihilist guy sounds like a dirty postmodern hipster. Ditch him
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That led me to existentialism; if the core belief of existentialism is that one's value is based off their actions, then it only makes sense for an individual who is godless to be an existentialist; otherwise our value would be based off of God's plan.

Why would a true nihilist care about that shit anyway? Nothing matters to them, right?
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Why would a true nihilist care about that shit anyway? Nothing matters right?

I am not a nihilist. I am an opportunist and a moral relativist (if those are real...?)
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It doesn't matter what you call it - nihilism, existentialism, faith, religion; 100% of it comes from perception of past experiences. The rest beyond that is just finding a title for what you perceive as true so that someone else can confirm, deny, relate to, or reject it based on their experiences.

So you could say that the mind plays 100% of the part in your beliefs 'internally.' External stimuli also play a huge role, as there would be nothing for the mind to perceive without it, but you were asking specifically about how a person's mind affects what they believe in a direct way.
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I am not a nihilist. I am an opportunist and a moral relativist (if those are real...?)

The fact remains that logically, why would a nihilist even consider themselves a nihilist or an existentialist if they don't even think their own lives matter or if they're an 'ist' or an 'ism'?
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The fact remains that logically, why would a nihilist even consider themselves a nihilist or an existentialist if they don't even think their own lives matter or if they're an 'ist' or an 'ism'?

Titles.
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The fact remains that logically, why would a nihilist even consider themselves a nihilist or an existentialist if they don't even think their own lives matter or if they're an 'ist' or an 'ism'?

Exactly. That's why I didn't understand that kid arguing over nihilism, and why no normal person could be a nihilist.
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But why do they care about that shit? It's in their ideology that they don't give a fuck if they don't make their ideas identifiable to others through a title. It even says so in the OP.
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It doesn't matter what you call it - nihilism, existentialism, faith, religion; 100% of it comes from perception of past experiences. The rest beyond that is just finding a title for what you perceive as true so that someone else can confirm, deny, relate to, or reject it based on their experiences.

So you could say that the mind plays 100% of the part in your beliefs 'internally.' External stimuli also play a huge role, as there would be nothing for the mind to perceive without it, but you were asking specifically about how a person's mind affects what they believe in a direct way.

My past experiences have very little to do with my current belief system. I just go with what makes the most sense
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#12
People look for new ways to define themselves for all to see.

Ism's and faiths are just things to put on your "About me" on facebook.

What you do defines you and if what you do is call yourself a "nihilist" then your really just an asshole.
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Exactly. That's why I didn't understand that kid arguing over nihilism, and why no normal person could be a nihilist.

Okay, so we're on the same page.

Perhaps the answer is that the kid isn't a true nihilist and that you've already answered your own question.
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People look for new ways to define themselves for all to see.

Ism's and faiths are just things to put on your "About me" on facebook.

What you do defines you and if what you do is call yourself a "nihilist" then your really just an asshole.

Bullshit. Being a Christian or a Muslim or a Hindu is a big part of someones life.
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Why would a true nihilist care about that shit anyway? Nothing matters to them, right?


But that isn't actually Nihilism. It's not a case of 'nothing matters' it's more of a case of ''Everything is meaningless''. Nihilism doesn't really make sense, by identifying yourself as Nihilist there seems to be an implication that the statement ''Everything is meaningless'' is meaningful which contradicts the entire philosophy.

You could be an atheist and be an Absurdist but in reality Existentialism, Absurdism and Nihilism are all quite similar but different in some ways.

The guy who called himself a Nihilist is a prat, he just sounds like those German guys from The Big Lebowski.
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Okay, so we're on the same page.

Perhaps the answer is that the kid isn't a true nihilist and that you've already answered your own question.

Yes but my question is more about peoples minds and how that yields to moral beliefs.
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Yes but my question is more about peoples minds and how that yields to moral beliefs.

Partly the reason i came to this thread was to parody a pseudo nihilist by going through the typical UG routine of 'nobody cares' or 'TS is a knob'
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But that isn't actually Nihilism. It's not a case of 'nothing matters' it's more of a case of ''Everything is meaningless''.

It wasn't the exactly correct wording to use, but my points still stand.
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People look for new ways to define themselves for all to see.

Ism's and faiths are just things to put on your "About me" on facebook.

What you do defines you and if what you do is call yourself a "nihilist" then your really just an asshole.

I agree with this.
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No they don't. Nihilism involves a rejection of an inherent meaning or purpose in life. A nihilist can think "I enjoy this opera", or "I want to become a doctor" just as much as the next guy, they just feel that behind in all, in the grander scheme of life, there is no real purpose to our actions or lives.

Not too difficult to comprehend.

That's not a nihilist, that's an existentialist.
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No they don't. Nihilism involves a rejection of an inherent meaning or purpose in life. A nihilist can think "I enjoy this opera", or "I want to become a doctor" just as much as the next guy, they just feel that behind in all, in the grander scheme of life, there is no real purpose to our actions or lives.

Not too difficult to comprehend.

No it doesn't.

I was satirically asking why TS cares all the same anyway, my replies in the first few posts are not to be taken too seriously.
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Then don't post. The TS clearly asked a serious question, and likely expected serious answers.

I think you're forgetting that it's the pit.
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No, it's not. An existentialist believes in one primary tenet: that we, as human beings, are the sole responsible party for our actions and our future. I would know, I am strongly aligned with this system of philosophy.

Everything in this post is true, which is why your other post is wrong. A true nihilist would never think "I want to be a doctor" because there is no point to be a doctor. I can't see any human being being a nihilist unless they are brain dead (like in a vegetated state) or completely apathetic and have no emotions (only possible with brain damage).
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Then don't post. The TS clearly asked a serious question, and likely expected serious answers.

TS: an existentialist sees no intrinsic value in life, and believes, therefore, that he is responsible for creating his own value; a nihilist, on the other hand, also believes that there is no intrinsic value, but does not believe that he can create value either.

So then how can someone be a nihilist without having mental problems?
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Once again last time I checked this was The Pit, where ignorance is bliss and people come to **** around and not be serious. You want serious take this shit to Reddit's atheism sub-reddit, you may get the insightful answers you are looking for. Theology and Metaphysics probably aren't that suited to a guitar site.
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It wasn't the exactly correct wording to use, but my points still stand.


No it doesn't. A nihilist may very well care about the world, himself, his social status, his beliefs, etc. yet acknowledge that they are the product of biology and social conditioning and that his urge to defend his beliefs result simply from psychological inclinations.

Existential nihilism is an easily justifiable set of beliefs, of which no part denies the existence constructed meaning, the kid could very well subscribe to this form of nihilism yet still feel urges to defend his beliefs and to share them.
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#27
The amount of seriousness in this thread is too damn high. To reduce it I shall act accordingly.

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I think many people here cannot distinguish between a nihilist and fatalist. There are many types and even then, I doubt your nihilist friend was an absolutist nihilist, something that was destroyed by Descartes ("I think, therefore I am").

If nihilists had no reason to do anything, why did Nietzsche write all those fine books (okay, maybe he was an existentialist)? There is more than one type of nihilist and these generalisations aren't very constructive.
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